I once asked my friend for advice about parenting. In essence, "What would you do if one of YOUR kids ____?" She replied, "Well, that's not a fair question, because MY kids never would."
I felt so angry and offended at the time, but in order to preserve our friendship, I just laughed and said, "Yeah, you're probably right," and changed the subject. Later in the conversation, I think she sensed my irritation and half-assed apologized with something like, "I just meant that I'm a stricter parent than you, that's all..." and tried to back pedal. Again, I changed the conversation, rather than trying to hash things out, since I knew there was no way of really coming back from something like that.
Interestingly, two years later, when her kiddo was the same age as my kiddo was when I had asked the question, her kiddo did pretty much exactly the same thing.
Funny how that works.
Weirdly, she came to me and thanked me. Because I had come to her with my question, she had cooked on it and really thought about it so she was actually somewhat better prepared for what she would do - although she was still VERY shocked because she still firmly believed her kids WOULD NEVER...
We don't mean to be hypocrites. But I guess we all are, sometimes. It makes me so sad when I hear someone say, "My husband would NEVER..." or "I would NEVER..." those are the people who are least prepared when opportunity does come knocking because they believe it could never happen to them. Those are the people who often fall apart and who often never truly recover and who often never truly trust again.
Anyway, I bring this all up because the situation I had asked about was about my middle kiddo. He (we?) are in a mess of a situation, and I know people will judge when they read this, but I just hope that folks will say a little, "There before the grace of God..." before they get too judgmental, ya know?
He has been struggling for years. He says, "No! NO I'm FINE. I'm PERFECTLY happy!" But he is too angry and too spun out of control to claim that and have us believe it. Regardless, due to a recent blow up at home, he's now been sent to juvenile hall and has no choice but to attend family counseling. I'm glad. Even after one session, I feel more hopeful, and all we really did was throw down some background stuff.
In some ways, my heart breaks for my "baby" because this has all been hard on him and I see him hurting. In other ways, I am angry and resentful that he thinks he has a right to feel so hurt. HE CREATED THIS SITUATION. He is the one who did thousands of dollars of damage. He is the one who has chosen to smoke (and we suspect deal) weed. He is the one getting high on mushrooms and other hallucinogenics. He is the one who chooses to skip school, be belligerent, avoid homework, and narrow his choices so severely. But he doesn't see it. He just doesn't get it. I felt we had no choice but to let him see rock bottom, or at least as close as he can get while still living with us.
At first, he spoke of how GREAT juvie was. Everyone there is so caring. At least there people cook for him. That one hit me in the gut, but he knew it would.
I have begun to refuse to cook for him. I don't refuse him food, but I will often tell him "I'm cooking dinner in 30 minutes, so go ahead and fix yourself something before I get started. The reasoning is because he will throw entire plates of food in the trash because, "I don't like the sauce," or "I don't feel like chicken tonight." That, or he will complain and make disparaging comments all through dinner. No one else complains about my cooking, but alright, I'm a terrible cook. That's fine. Learn to cook for yourself, dude, you're 17.
Interestingly, for as "great" as he claims juvie was, I think meeting some of those other kids sort of opened his eyes. He related a conversation he had with one kid in which he complained about how I don't cook anything good. The kid he was talking to said, "At least your mom and dad are together. I haven't seen my mom in three years and my dad is gone for days at a time. No one ever cooks for me." There were other examples, too. He feels so "abused" because we set boundaries and say no, but what he doesn't get is that it's our JOB - and whether he likes it or not, we're doing it for his well being.
It was also eye opening when the public defender told him, "You don't get it, kiddo. I see SO many kids who come in here ALONE. You can be pissed at your parents all you want, but never think for a second they don't have your back."
The public defender wasn't all helpful, though. She offered up the suggestion that our kid be allowed to just leave the house when his temper gets the better of him and go on a walk for an hour. Ummm... hello, he's on house detention. He's not allowed to leave the house (except for school) without an adult present at all times. While I agree, a cool down period/time out is perfectly acceptable, leaving isn't an option at this point. However, when he got home and got angry at me for asking him to do his daily chore, he tried to leave. "MY lawyer said I could leave anytime I wanted if I was mad!" Uhhhhh... I told him he was free to go - but that I'd be forced to call the sheriff department to come out since he'd be breaking house detention - so he might consider cooling his heels in his room, instead.
Still... I have seen progress. Baby progress. Not enough to get me hopeful. Besides, my kid has a way of letting me build up, get hopeful, and then smack me down to the ground (figuratively) just as I think things are going well. He tested clean on drugs for MONTHS. I really had thought he'd outgrown it. Nope. He was just using stuff that wasn't showing up on the tests. Great. I'm scared to be optimistic, because I'm too used to being let down.
We'll see. We started family counseling today. We talked about including my daughter, but she's situated with her own counselor right now, and I feel like we have WAY too many issues to work out with our son to try to include her in the mix, as well. Last time we tried family counseling, she would just sit and cry the whole time and not participate, anyway. Once we get things settle with our son a bit more, I would like to include her, at least sometimes. We'll see.
Our daughter seems to really like HER new counselor, though I haven't noticed any major changes with her. She missed the bus TWICE this week. Then again, at least she's not outright refusing to go to school, she's just dinking around and being late. It's been really hard to keep her on track with everything since I've been so sick.
Yup. Bronchitis and laryngitis. Woo. Because, I'm so good at coping I just fall apart when I'm under stress. Ugh. I think it may be going into a lovely sinus infection, now, too. I should have gone to the doctor - but when?? Between two hearings for my son, two counseling sessions, driving my oldest son back and forth for work, and pretty much collapsing in between... sigh. I'm not very good at this life thing. Clearly.
I felt so angry and offended at the time, but in order to preserve our friendship, I just laughed and said, "Yeah, you're probably right," and changed the subject. Later in the conversation, I think she sensed my irritation and half-assed apologized with something like, "I just meant that I'm a stricter parent than you, that's all..." and tried to back pedal. Again, I changed the conversation, rather than trying to hash things out, since I knew there was no way of really coming back from something like that.
Interestingly, two years later, when her kiddo was the same age as my kiddo was when I had asked the question, her kiddo did pretty much exactly the same thing.
Funny how that works.
Weirdly, she came to me and thanked me. Because I had come to her with my question, she had cooked on it and really thought about it so she was actually somewhat better prepared for what she would do - although she was still VERY shocked because she still firmly believed her kids WOULD NEVER...
We don't mean to be hypocrites. But I guess we all are, sometimes. It makes me so sad when I hear someone say, "My husband would NEVER..." or "I would NEVER..." those are the people who are least prepared when opportunity does come knocking because they believe it could never happen to them. Those are the people who often fall apart and who often never truly recover and who often never truly trust again.
Anyway, I bring this all up because the situation I had asked about was about my middle kiddo. He (we?) are in a mess of a situation, and I know people will judge when they read this, but I just hope that folks will say a little, "There before the grace of God..." before they get too judgmental, ya know?
He has been struggling for years. He says, "No! NO I'm FINE. I'm PERFECTLY happy!" But he is too angry and too spun out of control to claim that and have us believe it. Regardless, due to a recent blow up at home, he's now been sent to juvenile hall and has no choice but to attend family counseling. I'm glad. Even after one session, I feel more hopeful, and all we really did was throw down some background stuff.
In some ways, my heart breaks for my "baby" because this has all been hard on him and I see him hurting. In other ways, I am angry and resentful that he thinks he has a right to feel so hurt. HE CREATED THIS SITUATION. He is the one who did thousands of dollars of damage. He is the one who has chosen to smoke (and we suspect deal) weed. He is the one getting high on mushrooms and other hallucinogenics. He is the one who chooses to skip school, be belligerent, avoid homework, and narrow his choices so severely. But he doesn't see it. He just doesn't get it. I felt we had no choice but to let him see rock bottom, or at least as close as he can get while still living with us.
At first, he spoke of how GREAT juvie was. Everyone there is so caring. At least there people cook for him. That one hit me in the gut, but he knew it would.
I have begun to refuse to cook for him. I don't refuse him food, but I will often tell him "I'm cooking dinner in 30 minutes, so go ahead and fix yourself something before I get started. The reasoning is because he will throw entire plates of food in the trash because, "I don't like the sauce," or "I don't feel like chicken tonight." That, or he will complain and make disparaging comments all through dinner. No one else complains about my cooking, but alright, I'm a terrible cook. That's fine. Learn to cook for yourself, dude, you're 17.
Interestingly, for as "great" as he claims juvie was, I think meeting some of those other kids sort of opened his eyes. He related a conversation he had with one kid in which he complained about how I don't cook anything good. The kid he was talking to said, "At least your mom and dad are together. I haven't seen my mom in three years and my dad is gone for days at a time. No one ever cooks for me." There were other examples, too. He feels so "abused" because we set boundaries and say no, but what he doesn't get is that it's our JOB - and whether he likes it or not, we're doing it for his well being.
It was also eye opening when the public defender told him, "You don't get it, kiddo. I see SO many kids who come in here ALONE. You can be pissed at your parents all you want, but never think for a second they don't have your back."
The public defender wasn't all helpful, though. She offered up the suggestion that our kid be allowed to just leave the house when his temper gets the better of him and go on a walk for an hour. Ummm... hello, he's on house detention. He's not allowed to leave the house (except for school) without an adult present at all times. While I agree, a cool down period/time out is perfectly acceptable, leaving isn't an option at this point. However, when he got home and got angry at me for asking him to do his daily chore, he tried to leave. "MY lawyer said I could leave anytime I wanted if I was mad!" Uhhhhh... I told him he was free to go - but that I'd be forced to call the sheriff department to come out since he'd be breaking house detention - so he might consider cooling his heels in his room, instead.
Still... I have seen progress. Baby progress. Not enough to get me hopeful. Besides, my kid has a way of letting me build up, get hopeful, and then smack me down to the ground (figuratively) just as I think things are going well. He tested clean on drugs for MONTHS. I really had thought he'd outgrown it. Nope. He was just using stuff that wasn't showing up on the tests. Great. I'm scared to be optimistic, because I'm too used to being let down.
We'll see. We started family counseling today. We talked about including my daughter, but she's situated with her own counselor right now, and I feel like we have WAY too many issues to work out with our son to try to include her in the mix, as well. Last time we tried family counseling, she would just sit and cry the whole time and not participate, anyway. Once we get things settle with our son a bit more, I would like to include her, at least sometimes. We'll see.
Our daughter seems to really like HER new counselor, though I haven't noticed any major changes with her. She missed the bus TWICE this week. Then again, at least she's not outright refusing to go to school, she's just dinking around and being late. It's been really hard to keep her on track with everything since I've been so sick.
Yup. Bronchitis and laryngitis. Woo. Because, I'm so good at coping I just fall apart when I'm under stress. Ugh. I think it may be going into a lovely sinus infection, now, too. I should have gone to the doctor - but when?? Between two hearings for my son, two counseling sessions, driving my oldest son back and forth for work, and pretty much collapsing in between... sigh. I'm not very good at this life thing. Clearly.
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Wow... You have so much on your plate... Hope things get better soon.
I\'m reading my life. No judgement here. I can say I never in my wildest dreams imagined that my child would do some of the things he has and it cuts to the core when they chose a broken path. All you can do is set boundaries and stick to them. I\'m sorry your going through this. My now 21 year old began to unravel at 17. He too dealt and faked drug tests. I believe he always had an addictive personality but his biggest pitfall was how my husband and I parents from opposite sides. Good cop bad cop. Usually I was the bad cop. In my son\'s eyes I was a horrific bitch. Now apparently I\'m perfect and he didn\'t deserve so much support
The pendulum swings but we are trying to find that space in the middle.
It sounds like you are doing everything right and only time and you\'re son can tell what will happen.
You can pm me of you need further advice if you fear addiction.
Thanks, Pink. This is so hard. The guilt, the frustration, the sadness. I\'m so tired.
I hear you. It\'s not easy and he\'s at such a defiant age. You can\'t change the past only work on today and hopes for the future. Don\'t carry the burden of his choices it will get you nowhere.
He needs to be accountable even if you were an imperfect parent (as far as I\'m aware they\'re is no such thing as perfect) and things that occurred caused him to feel a way that pushed him towards bad choices (I don\'t know if they have), just like the cheater, he needs to own his choices. He\'s still a kid so of course in his mind it\'s all your fault. One day that will change.
I wish I could say it gets easier but it\'s more a matter of learning how to deal with it that helps. Learning to lean on people when you need to lean and hold others up when you have the strength.
Alora, I am so sorry for your problems with your kids. I am no expert, but I am wondering if his \'using\' and defiance started before or after the A. Or did it escalate after the A? If so, maybe a counseling session just with his father would help. - like marriage counseling, but between father & son. I know that 1 of my son was very angry with his Dad.
Oops. Wasn\'t done. ---- a mediated place for him to vent at his father - then learn to re-connect might help.
This might work between him and you, too. Is he angry because he thinks you failed his father somehow?
Or maybe it was moving that hurt - being torn away from friends and home.
I might be way off base -- but just throwing out some ideas.
I know he is a little old for this - but positive reinforcement for positive behavior might help. Look for and verbally acknowledge EVERY LITTLE positive thing he does do. A pat on the back can go much farther than a kick in the butt.
Thanks, jillarie. No, my kiddo was using long before and about to the same extent before the affair. While both of my boys were angry with their father, they were very comfortable voicing their opinions at the time and well and fully moved on from that long ago.
I will keep the positive reinforcement in mind. Thanks.
Omg, I just read that. In quite a bad place myself.
Dont know what to say other than hug your warm and long....
I am not the one to say \"my kids would never...\". I am the one who firmly believes that there is no never. I can only do my best (blindly of course), hope that it brings the desired result just like I know you did. And pray.....
I will also pray for yours and strength for you. You are being a great parent. It sucks that parenthood is such a combination of random variables....
Hugging you virtually.
Sorry you have this to deal with this as well. I think I am one of those people that \"never believed it could happen to me\" as far as the infidelity goes and thus the reason (well one of them the other being just how extensive the cheating was) that it is so very hard for me to recover from this. I thought I was the strong one of the whole family that was there to help everyone, wife, siblings, parents, aunts, uncles, friends etc through hard times, I was prepared to deal with almost anything I think but not this, I thought my chances of being struck by lightening was greater. So yeah if you had asked me 3 years ago I would have said no way that could never happen, stupid me. I might have also been one to say that I didn\'t think my child would ever do this or that as they grow up because of who I was or the way I lived but that is not true you just never know what might happen. In my line of work I see lots and lots of kids doing what your son is doing . While often times they come from a hard life that is certainly not always the case, they get involved with the wrong people and wrong things for many reasons, sometimes just by chance or timing but most often just by one bad choice after another and it spirals out of control.
As for the allowing him to leave the house to cool down that is so very common suggestion by case workers, juvi probation officers, etc. Normally by that age, kids in there mid to late teens, that absolutely refuse to follow the parents rules I guess they figure that there is likely no changing that part of it and it is best to let them just go off and cool down and try to avoid it escalating to any physical form of acting. I\'m not sure I agree totally and I think I would feel like he isn\'t really being made to follow the rules and/or fear what he is doing while gone but know that that suggestion by the public defender is very common, although, I\'m not sue exactly how it works there but unless its different his lawyer does not have the authority to permit him to violate his conditions
Atleast you say you do see small improvements. Lets hope they continue.