Victims of Psychopaths Community Group
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escapefor1
I have seen a lot of posts about wanting justice or revenge against the N or P who has harmed you. Many worry that it looks like their N/P ex has moved on and looks to be leading a happier, more successful, or easier life than you are. Some wonder whether there will be justice later in this life or whether it will have to wait for another life, karma you know.
Happily, I can say that 3 1/2 years post-divorce from my uNPD/P/BPD exH, I am seeing justice right here, right now.
When I filed for divorce from him, I falsely believed that I would be able to move on as I envisioned my life, into a good "after". I imagined that my friends would see how well I was doing and how badly I anticipated he would do, and it would be obvious who the problem person was. Well, as you can probably imagine, it did not turn out like that. Not then.
The divorce was acrimonious and draining in every way. I was a wreck at the end of it, under a huge amount of things to deal with, low on money too. My main priority was my kids, and I took a back seat in every way. I looked and felt like a wreck, and worse, did not care much. Meanwhile my ex managed, with my help (some forced via divorce and some volunteered to make things OK for the kids), to move into a nice house, get a decent car, find a reasonable job (a new thing for him, but had to drive him to near-homelessness to get him moving on getting a job), start looking better physically, and not too much later, find a new girlfriend. Now, I no longer cared about him, so the girlfriend was not an issue, except that the sum total of all that made him look pretty good while I looked pretty bad. And that irked me. I felt that I would look worse off and therefore worse, to my kids, and to my friends. I feared I had not proved any point other than that divorce is destructive.
But move to now. Although I am still (!) not fully out of the woods, I am looking and feeling much better, after both medical and psychological treatment for years and now taking on sports and working out. I'm in a nice house that is finally taking shape. My career has still not recovered and likely won't until my kids are out of the nest, but there are some signs of light there. My friends seem to have realized what my ex is, and support me. I have gotten into a new and wonderful relationship with someone who is actually caring, and boy, what a difference that is! My kids have come to their own realization and understanding of what their father is, at least in part, enough to prefer living with me virtually all the time. They don't like living at his house due to the negativity and tension that pervades it and due to all the nasty things he has done to them.
So now, I am away happily spending time with my new boyfriend, with my kids staying in my house (one is over 18). The younger is supposed to go to his father's for spring break, but refuses to do so. He does not want to be with him, and usually his father, realizing that and not really caring that much most of the time, just lets it go as my son is almost 18 and so is allowed to express a preference. So my ex is sitting home alone (his girlfriend lives long-distance and I'm not sure that's going so well at this point). His children are not too far away, but they don't want to come over and see him or stay with him, or frankly even answer the phone when he calls. They have rejected him now, just as he rejected them so many times. Even the dog does not want to go over to my ex's as he ignores him and sometimes starves him (though I've told him if that happens again, the dog no longer will go over there.)
My ex finally could not stand the solitude, being an N. He has erupted in every way, but nobody will come to his rescue. Nobody will give him the supply he needs. He has pissed off the rest of his family and friends. He sits around by himself in his house. He is facing losing the house he could not afford. I warned him not to commit to a too-expensive home, but he did not listen. He is looking the worse for wear, and if I am not imagining it, his facial features are starting to reflect his constant negativity. He's aging (bad for a N), won't work out any more, and really is no longer able to fake normalcy much, let alone pleasantery. His kids are wary of him, and mostly will not interact with him -- their choice -- I did not force that or even encourage it, but I certainly did not fight it! He is thinking of moving away, probably to start over where people do not know who and what he is, but far from his family and his kids.
In short, he is alone and his life is mostly not that pleasant, sucking even.
I am not alone, with a new boyfriend I really care about on a long-term basis, and my kids and dog happy to be with me. I have good friends who see what I have overcome and enjoy spending time with me. I am doing meaningful work meant to help others, although that is still not the career level I envision eventually getting back to. I am focused on bringing up my kids out of the cycle of abuse and cognizant of what they need to learn to recognize in order to avoid, in a way that I hope will lead to them having a happy life. We all have some good times. We do things with my friends and their friends. I still have not quite gotten to the rosy "after" I envisioned, but I am well on the way there, with some unforeseen good surprises too.
I was relishing the contrast today, and thought I would share it with those who hope this can happen. Living happily ever after is the best revenge.
Yes, there is justice in the world concerning these Ns and Ps. And yes, it can happen in this lifetime, even if it may not seem like it now.
Happily, I can say that 3 1/2 years post-divorce from my uNPD/P/BPD exH, I am seeing justice right here, right now.
When I filed for divorce from him, I falsely believed that I would be able to move on as I envisioned my life, into a good "after". I imagined that my friends would see how well I was doing and how badly I anticipated he would do, and it would be obvious who the problem person was. Well, as you can probably imagine, it did not turn out like that. Not then.
The divorce was acrimonious and draining in every way. I was a wreck at the end of it, under a huge amount of things to deal with, low on money too. My main priority was my kids, and I took a back seat in every way. I looked and felt like a wreck, and worse, did not care much. Meanwhile my ex managed, with my help (some forced via divorce and some volunteered to make things OK for the kids), to move into a nice house, get a decent car, find a reasonable job (a new thing for him, but had to drive him to near-homelessness to get him moving on getting a job), start looking better physically, and not too much later, find a new girlfriend. Now, I no longer cared about him, so the girlfriend was not an issue, except that the sum total of all that made him look pretty good while I looked pretty bad. And that irked me. I felt that I would look worse off and therefore worse, to my kids, and to my friends. I feared I had not proved any point other than that divorce is destructive.
But move to now. Although I am still (!) not fully out of the woods, I am looking and feeling much better, after both medical and psychological treatment for years and now taking on sports and working out. I'm in a nice house that is finally taking shape. My career has still not recovered and likely won't until my kids are out of the nest, but there are some signs of light there. My friends seem to have realized what my ex is, and support me. I have gotten into a new and wonderful relationship with someone who is actually caring, and boy, what a difference that is! My kids have come to their own realization and understanding of what their father is, at least in part, enough to prefer living with me virtually all the time. They don't like living at his house due to the negativity and tension that pervades it and due to all the nasty things he has done to them.
So now, I am away happily spending time with my new boyfriend, with my kids staying in my house (one is over 18). The younger is supposed to go to his father's for spring break, but refuses to do so. He does not want to be with him, and usually his father, realizing that and not really caring that much most of the time, just lets it go as my son is almost 18 and so is allowed to express a preference. So my ex is sitting home alone (his girlfriend lives long-distance and I'm not sure that's going so well at this point). His children are not too far away, but they don't want to come over and see him or stay with him, or frankly even answer the phone when he calls. They have rejected him now, just as he rejected them so many times. Even the dog does not want to go over to my ex's as he ignores him and sometimes starves him (though I've told him if that happens again, the dog no longer will go over there.)
My ex finally could not stand the solitude, being an N. He has erupted in every way, but nobody will come to his rescue. Nobody will give him the supply he needs. He has pissed off the rest of his family and friends. He sits around by himself in his house. He is facing losing the house he could not afford. I warned him not to commit to a too-expensive home, but he did not listen. He is looking the worse for wear, and if I am not imagining it, his facial features are starting to reflect his constant negativity. He's aging (bad for a N), won't work out any more, and really is no longer able to fake normalcy much, let alone pleasantery. His kids are wary of him, and mostly will not interact with him -- their choice -- I did not force that or even encourage it, but I certainly did not fight it! He is thinking of moving away, probably to start over where people do not know who and what he is, but far from his family and his kids.
In short, he is alone and his life is mostly not that pleasant, sucking even.
I am not alone, with a new boyfriend I really care about on a long-term basis, and my kids and dog happy to be with me. I have good friends who see what I have overcome and enjoy spending time with me. I am doing meaningful work meant to help others, although that is still not the career level I envision eventually getting back to. I am focused on bringing up my kids out of the cycle of abuse and cognizant of what they need to learn to recognize in order to avoid, in a way that I hope will lead to them having a happy life. We all have some good times. We do things with my friends and their friends. I still have not quite gotten to the rosy "after" I envisioned, but I am well on the way there, with some unforeseen good surprises too.
I was relishing the contrast today, and thought I would share it with those who hope this can happen. Living happily ever after is the best revenge.
Yes, there is justice in the world concerning these Ns and Ps. And yes, it can happen in this lifetime, even if it may not seem like it now.
I am new to the group and so don't understand all of the abbreviations yet. N is Narcissist? P is Psychopath? Is BPD bi-polar or borderline personality disorder? What is uNPD?
N refers to narcissist. NPD is Narcissistic Personality Disorder which is an extreme form of narcissi m.
P means Psychopath, which is not currently officially defined, though it was in former versions of the DSM. (It is now part of Antisocial Personality Disorder, or ASPD.) Others will use S, for sociopath. I don't like this word because it is unclear whether it refers to a Psychopath or someone with Antisocial Personality Disorder. The latter category includes psychopaths, but non-psychopaths as well.
BPD is Borderline Personality Disorder. I don't know how people abbreviate bipolar, maybe BP?
If the u is placed before these, it means they are undiagnosed. Often we feel very certain someone we know has them, but there has not been an official diagnosis, and usually these sorts will not go in for testing. Thorough testing for these personality disorders is hard to find and is expensive, which is another issue.
Hope that clears things up.
Reading your story really makes me think about how NPDs get away with so much -- how they are able to convince everyone that they are not only good -- but the hero. Their friends and followers are utterly brainwashed and it takes a massive toll on the victim.
We all deserve a good life. Hugs.
Horrible people always get what's coming to them. I've seen it play out too many times to not believe it. My stepfather was a sadist. When he was old and dying, he told me how horrible it is when no one comes to visit you in the hospital. I had nothing to say in return. No need.
No matter what sort of facade they try to erect, we can always rest assured they are truly miserable, as anything of quality they radiate has been gained from draining the life force of others.
Thanks for your words of encouragement. I really needed it tonight. Enjoy your journey to where you want to be.
:)
I am in a situation right now when it is very hard to think I will get anything back in my life. It means money, work and health. Also my old fathers economy is suffering , he is trying to help me.
Some days I really only want to end it all.
I just want to belive there is a way out, but cant see it. He came from another country , now living happy in my litle town. I supported him many years before he got a job etc etc.
It feels like the whole town is poisened.
I cant mowe , I am 59.
The worst is that for many years I hoped I was loved. Must be the deepest need in all of us. If anyone have a little word to me I would be glad.
escapefor1, I am thrilled things are getting better for you! You have been through so much, but you have been diligent and are now persevering with a new life. Thank you for sharing your story. It gives us so much hope! I'm proud of you and wish you continued success!
avram1965, Welcome to the group. Hoping you will get more answers to all the questions of learning about the narcissist in your life. I've researched and gained knowledge the best I could about Personality Disorders. My husband is definitely a narcissist. Currently, I've been reading a lot of Melanie Tonia Evans blogs and studies. She's got some extremely valuable information on her site.
Wishing everyone else blessings as well. We live and learn.... we gain knowledge and grow.... and we get stronger. :)
I did not say in this post how bleak things looked for me only a few months ago. I have in other posts on this forum and the NPD victims forum here too. In short, I did not feel at all like my old self, to the point that I almost felt like a different person. It looked like I lost absolutely everything in my life, except half the time with my kids and my relationship with them -- though that was strained and changed from the horrid experience with my ex. I also had supportive family and some close friends who were supportive. But I lost everything else and did not feel up to (psychologically or physically) even trying to get it back. Plus I had PTSD.
There is no way I foresaw the changes that came my way, starting about 6 months ago. Importantly, those changes happened from good things I had done in my past -- in effect banked away. What goes around does come around.
So please do not do anything desparate. So many people recovering from this type of victimization feel the same, that they will not be able to come back. But they do. It can happen almost overnight. Suddenly you are just ready and stronger again. Wait for that. Be patient. It will come to good people like us.
Peace Dreams,
Glad to got to see the results of these personalities backfiring on them. As you say, nothing more needed to be said. It's sad to those of us who actually care, but it sounds like it was deserved. Hope you find peace too.
I have really good friends but as much as they try . they cant understand like you here at this forum. You have been there . That makes all the difference.
Wish you all the best.
Very good to hear that things can change. Maybe I also one day van belive it could happend to me :)
It is nice to see karma in action- which will eventually happen because eventually their facade will crack, people will see them for what they are and stop supporting them and they will slowly run out of people to use. But while you're waiting, unfortunately (and unfairly) you have to deal with the mess of rebuilding.
I drove myself nuts checking social media, asking friends and trying to find out how he was doing and who he was with. I felt like I couldn't rebuild my life. I felt that he had taken everything from me, ruined any chance I had of finishing school and destroyed any hope of a decent future. I was left homeless, broke, pregnant, shattered emotionally and living off the kindness of my older childrens' father. My pride was wounded, my spirit was crushed and if it hadn't been for an excellent therapist, a couple of good friends and my children, I would have taken a month's worth of valium and slept.
I finally came to the conclusion that I did have to move on. I certainly couldn't stay in the state of depression and turmoil I was living in. Here is what worked for me. First off, I didn't tie "be happy" to "move on." I looked at what my current situation was head on. I stopped thinking "well this is this way because he did this, " or "he ruined this"- instead, I looked at it as if I had woken up one morning and during the night, some natural disaster had happened and destroyed life as I had known it.
I know it sounds silly, but once I focused on the steps that needed to be taken to reinstate some sort of order to my life instead of on what had been done and by whom and in what detail, it motivated me to start moving out of my funk. It also took the focus and power of of HIM and his actions.
I started writing "to do" lists at night which set goals for the next day. I'm talking really, really simple. As an example, some of my first ones were "take a shower, dress, walk to the corner and back and do one load of laundry." In the beginning, that was pretty much all I could handle. I used a spiral notebook so that I could look back and see progress. People say "move on" but that is really hard to grasp in the figurative. On paper, no matter how small the steps you take, it is a tangible thing you can look at and say to yourself "yeah, I definitely did better today." The notebook also put the other excellent but overused phrase "one day at a time" into action.
Now, my girls are nearly two and I am just now getting back on my feet financially, have only recently began to look towards the future with any sort of optimism and still have a LONG way until I am where I want to be. I still make my lists- they keep me on track- but they are a bit more detailed these days.
Also, even though you can't move, you can avoid places you'll know he'll be. Maybe these were places YOU introduced him to and had been going to for ages, and it isn't fair that now they're tainted. But until you retain some sense of yourself and stability, just try your best to accept it as it is, and stay away. Reach out to people you know and trust and take it easy and slow. Go to a restaurant or a store you've never been to before. Find new places that can be your own again.
Watch funny stuff- stand up comedy worked for me. You can't help but eventually laugh, and once you have a really good laugh, the tension will start to ease up. I also went to the library and checked out alot of "fluff" reading- stuff I could read when I was starting to feel overwhelmed and anxious and bogged down again.
It's a long, hard road- I wish I'd had this board two years ago- it is very reassuring to see my story in others' stories and see their progress and know that eventually things will get better.
Best wishes to you, Fisk- may your road to recovery be easier than the road that lead you here.