jimmy page's idol----page bought lots of crowley's stuff, including the place where crowley lived.

jimmy page is also a notorious plagierest---or should be, since fans of his don't care. Page took the 1960s song, "babe i'm gonna leave you", that folk singer joan baez first sung, and just plain put his name on it. "dazed and confused" is a 1967 song page also just plain put his name to---and which the origonal singer finally is sueing over. Page and other members of Led Zeppilan were honored at the white house, by Hillary Clinton, not long ago.

Kenneth Anger a satanist, underground film maker, and maybe met Crowley. Page even wrote music for one of Anger's short movies. According to one expose, Anger is also a con artist, with Anger claiming a member of Charlie Manson's family stole a half-finished underground movie, though the Manson family member claimed Anger took the money raised for the movie and lived off it. The Manson family member later composed music for Anger's movie----from jail, where he has been serving a life sentance for a murder that pre-dates Tate/Labianca.

it's only after i actually wrote this that i realized how these 3 were birds of a feather, with page and anger as morally bankrupt as their hero.

Ugh, this kind of articles are so disturbing for me. What I know about A. Crowley is that he was a founder of a Satanist Church and that he has a lot of followers among musicians, including Michael Jackson, Jay-Z, Beyonce, Madonna, Marilyn Manson, Lady Gaga etc. (Michael Jackson got out of the cult later). It´s really scary since they influence our culture a lot!

* The Beatles also

I was going to post about Crowley because two days ago I did some more research on him. I have read Crowleys books. While some of his Literature, like Thelema was beautiful and poetic, I also find some of his other works incredibly disturbing. Thelema from what I know was actually spoken from a Woman's mouth, and Crowley simply wrote what she said into a book and took the credit, as well as interpreted it in his own way. He was an obvious Sociopath and was rubbing shoulders with a lot of Nazi's. Sure, he wrote some cool things, but he destroyed a lot of peoples lives and psyche's in the process. Not only that, but people STILL to this day worship him and his work like he did something so profound. He took knowledge that already existed and turned it into his own thing or just rewrote it in his own words. He treated people like absolute commodities, he neglected his children and one at least, died because of this. "Do what ye will an Harm none" was the word of Thelema. But he did hurt others. And they were too enwrapped in him to even admit or see it.

He was obsessed with sex, and the darker sides of it. I can't see how there was anything sacred in his sexual conquests, and yet he tried to make it seem like it was.

Nobody really knows all the things that went on with him. He liked to sacrifice animals in magickal rituals. Some say that he was a pedophile.

Back then they didn't know what personality disorders were. HAD people been more informed then MAYBE it might have been a bit more obvious.

With the exception of a few things, such as what sunny wrote, you are all right on the same track I am with understanding Crowley, and, through him, other P's or S's...

However, the main reason I liked this article was because it raises the question (though does a poor job of following through with it) of whether or not Crowley was psychotic in addition to sociopathic. I believe it is possible for there to be schizophrenic or schizo-like (excluding Schizoids and Schizotypals, as they would not have the requisite social skills) P's and S's, but it is hard to tell, since so many of them are pathological liars.

Which brings me back to Crowley...

@Darla

It seems like I've heard of him receiving revelation or traditions from women, but as far as his religion of Thelema goes, all I know for certain is that he claimed (and seemed to believe) that the Egyptian gods spoke to him, and that he was their prophet.

It goes right back to my last topic "More Questions About Lies and Liars", where I ask "where does a pathological lie end, and a delusion begin, and vice versa?".

The person I can't get over went about presenting her alleged supernatural and occult experiences in such a vivid and personal way, it's hard to say she just casually did it for attention. However, the changes in detail, and eventual discarding (but not denial) of the story later, seem to make it clear that she was in control of it the entire time. Like Crowley, who may have had stories he told and frequently enjoyed believing in.

It's also a fact that Narcissists have a "false self" which is built of lies they tell themselves.

Aspin,

re narcissists, false self and lies they build---sounds like most movie actors, really.

Cary Grant was born with some awkward/nerdy name, in poverty; actress Carrie Fisher said how Grant gave her advice when she was young, with her thinking how he had become the person his fans thought him to be.

Mae West behaved the same off screen, to her dying days, as she did onscreen in her youth. Kenneth Anger got upset when somebody brought up the fact that his real name was Angermayer or something like that.

All (?) actors are narcissists, with a false self, especially, of course gay actors who have straight reputations. And then there are the respectable/phoney tv reporters, with the Walter Cronkite (?) quote along the lines of "Once you are able to fake sincerity, you have it made."