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jeffstueber
Ever hear of OCD? it's short for obsessive compulsive disorder which is a tendency of people to either do repetitive behaviors or repetitive thoughts. They don't know why they do them and sometimes they can't control what they do and that is the horrible part. An analogy I've heard is a water facet that has been turned on and you can't turn it off - only this time the water is thoughts or compulsive behavior. DS here has a support forum for that.
I have OCD although it appears a far milder case than other people I have met who have not worked in years because they are so bothered by it. at least I have been bothered by it in the past but never lost or quit a job because of it. However, it did create stress in my marriage.
My OCD behaviors started in grade school - 8th grade where it was not full fledged yet. OCD behavior can appear to others as stupid and my first behavior was stupid. It was making periods at the ends of my sentences really huge - not just a dot but a big filled in o shipped blob. But my OCD behaviors really went into high gear in high school - my freshman year - where a had routines I did that took up a lot of time in my life. One particular routine I remember stemmed from the fact one night I saw a spider running around the ceiling in my bedroom. It would come out of a hole and if you went by it it would duck back into its hole. So I created a routine of getting up on top of my bed every night and checking every corner of my bedroom for spiders. Of course I could see everything from the floor but so what? I had this desire to do this routine and I didnt know why. I just knew I had to do it. There were others, of course, like combing my hair a specific number of times and other precise repetitive behaviors. I was so busy with these behaviors and even got very fast doing them but I did not elminate them. I reduced them to less than before but did not totally eliminate them.
Then I met my ex at a job and started dating her in 1990. She wanted a life with me and I still had these routines and so I knew there was no way I could adapt them to a new place I would live with her - so I seriously spazzed out and was depressed as these routines were so much a part of me. So i ended up at a place called Charter Hospital where I stayed for 3 weeks learning I could live without the routines. I left a few thousand dollars in debt but paid it off, got back with my girlfriend, and we got married. you could think that was an investment on my future.
At that time I thought OCD was nothing but doing routines and nobody taught me that there was a second variety called "pure O" See, I had a tendency to worry a lot and I would later find out that worrying can be an obsessive form of a behavior called "checking." If you are bothered by something you have the desire to keep checking whether it is ok. Obsessively worrying is a form of checking something by continuously thinking about it. I guess for me I often can think of a solution to a problem after thinking about it for awhile and maybe one can obsessively worry in hopes that thinking about something continuously will change whatever you are stressing about. But a person doesn't want to continue thinking about it but can't stop thinking about it. And you lose sleep and have to take medicine to keep from thinking about something continuously.
After going to a support group the same year my ex left I learned that there are some ways of coping with obsessive thoughts. The cognitive method is a way of sort of arguing with your obsessive thoughts and, in the end, you are using your intellectual side to challenge your emotional side. You ask it things like "is there any basis for your fears" or "are your fears valid?" and by doing that you can calm your obsessive fears. I have done that a few times after learning about it and become good at it - not an expert by any means but I guess I have to say I know what I am doing.
My big obsessive problem in the past was starting an illogical chain in my mind of what would happen if something occured. For instance, if A happened then I would think B, C, and D would happen as well and I would have the obsessive need to worry about A which I could not stop and I learned was a form of checking. For instance, I could start a chain of thinking like this: "if I get in an argument with my wife, then she will leave me and I will never meet anyone again and I will be totally alone and be said and not be able to function at my job and will lose my job and then not be able to afford to pay my mortgage and end up homeless and then die" That B, C, and D will happen because A happens is not true, but to an obsessive person this doesn't matter because you begin thinking about this stuff you cannot stop. But I have learned how to use the cognitive technique to challenge myself when I begin these illogical thought streams and have learned to interrupt them.
I would later find out that a lot of my fears were the result of my birth order, but I won't get into that here.
so does anybody want to know more about this? I think we all have our "crosses to bear." Some have perhaps one of 100 different maladies. This one is mine. i got nuthin' (except for divorce) and I guess I'm lucky. But having a cross to bear makes it a lot easier to help others carry theirs - which i guess is a gift in disguise.
I have OCD although it appears a far milder case than other people I have met who have not worked in years because they are so bothered by it. at least I have been bothered by it in the past but never lost or quit a job because of it. However, it did create stress in my marriage.
My OCD behaviors started in grade school - 8th grade where it was not full fledged yet. OCD behavior can appear to others as stupid and my first behavior was stupid. It was making periods at the ends of my sentences really huge - not just a dot but a big filled in o shipped blob. But my OCD behaviors really went into high gear in high school - my freshman year - where a had routines I did that took up a lot of time in my life. One particular routine I remember stemmed from the fact one night I saw a spider running around the ceiling in my bedroom. It would come out of a hole and if you went by it it would duck back into its hole. So I created a routine of getting up on top of my bed every night and checking every corner of my bedroom for spiders. Of course I could see everything from the floor but so what? I had this desire to do this routine and I didnt know why. I just knew I had to do it. There were others, of course, like combing my hair a specific number of times and other precise repetitive behaviors. I was so busy with these behaviors and even got very fast doing them but I did not elminate them. I reduced them to less than before but did not totally eliminate them.
Then I met my ex at a job and started dating her in 1990. She wanted a life with me and I still had these routines and so I knew there was no way I could adapt them to a new place I would live with her - so I seriously spazzed out and was depressed as these routines were so much a part of me. So i ended up at a place called Charter Hospital where I stayed for 3 weeks learning I could live without the routines. I left a few thousand dollars in debt but paid it off, got back with my girlfriend, and we got married. you could think that was an investment on my future.
At that time I thought OCD was nothing but doing routines and nobody taught me that there was a second variety called "pure O" See, I had a tendency to worry a lot and I would later find out that worrying can be an obsessive form of a behavior called "checking." If you are bothered by something you have the desire to keep checking whether it is ok. Obsessively worrying is a form of checking something by continuously thinking about it. I guess for me I often can think of a solution to a problem after thinking about it for awhile and maybe one can obsessively worry in hopes that thinking about something continuously will change whatever you are stressing about. But a person doesn't want to continue thinking about it but can't stop thinking about it. And you lose sleep and have to take medicine to keep from thinking about something continuously.
After going to a support group the same year my ex left I learned that there are some ways of coping with obsessive thoughts. The cognitive method is a way of sort of arguing with your obsessive thoughts and, in the end, you are using your intellectual side to challenge your emotional side. You ask it things like "is there any basis for your fears" or "are your fears valid?" and by doing that you can calm your obsessive fears. I have done that a few times after learning about it and become good at it - not an expert by any means but I guess I have to say I know what I am doing.
My big obsessive problem in the past was starting an illogical chain in my mind of what would happen if something occured. For instance, if A happened then I would think B, C, and D would happen as well and I would have the obsessive need to worry about A which I could not stop and I learned was a form of checking. For instance, I could start a chain of thinking like this: "if I get in an argument with my wife, then she will leave me and I will never meet anyone again and I will be totally alone and be said and not be able to function at my job and will lose my job and then not be able to afford to pay my mortgage and end up homeless and then die" That B, C, and D will happen because A happens is not true, but to an obsessive person this doesn't matter because you begin thinking about this stuff you cannot stop. But I have learned how to use the cognitive technique to challenge myself when I begin these illogical thought streams and have learned to interrupt them.
I would later find out that a lot of my fears were the result of my birth order, but I won't get into that here.
so does anybody want to know more about this? I think we all have our "crosses to bear." Some have perhaps one of 100 different maladies. This one is mine. i got nuthin' (except for divorce) and I guess I'm lucky. But having a cross to bear makes it a lot easier to help others carry theirs - which i guess is a gift in disguise.
But still the worrier I had been and was, ruled my life. Can you imagine me raising teens and young adults? If I heard a siren and even THOUGHT my kids might be in a 5 mile radius, I'd be calling their cell. Thank GOD for cell. My kids knew that when mom called, they better not let it ring more than twice. My obsessiveness would have them dead and stretched out in a casket in my head. ugh...it was...horrible.
I did the check and recheck of irons, clothes dryers, fence latches, etc. Even if it meant driving 10 miles back home....just in case.
The first outing I took with my first child was the zoo. My mom had traveled to see her 2 week old first grandchild and so we wanted to show mom the sites. God, what was I thinking. I couldnt even carry my own child on the escalator at the airport! So, in my head, every kidnapper was gonna be out on patrol looking for newborns...yes, at the zoo!
I wrapped my obsessions thru my kids since they were what I lived for. I checked their breathing while they slept and often...till they...moved out. My poor kids...tho they knew me well. If I called their phone theyd answer, "still alive mom!"...or/and when I'd peek in their rooms while they were asleep, would say, "Still breathing!"
I decided my OCD, bipolar, G.A.D., anal-retention needed more than just to be researched and understood. This gal needed Paxil. Now, I know alot of folks think these meds are mild-altering psychotics...but, so what.I'm still a spaz and a half and find my idleness just a reason for my mond to wander off into what-if-land. Needless to say, I'm rarely relaxed. Id need a horse tranq for that. But my house is clean, my nails are always without rough edges, and I give my employers their money's worth. A curse...a blessing.
I SENT my kids out into the rain to go play. And I"ve let my son walk my daughter to the bus stop since he was in 3rd grade and she was in 1st.
Oh and I've left the oven on when I've left home. Electric bill was higher, but nothing bad happened.
99% of the time, my house is unlocked. (Although the neighborhood policeman drives through the area 2 or 3 times a night, and the neighbors are kind enough to call if I've left the garage door up.....) Speaking of which, ever 5 years or so, the nearby Navy base will start sending out strong enough signals to make my garage door go up in the middle of the night. Scared the heck out of me the one night, but I had clinical in the morning. Then it did it about 40 more times that night. Probably would have crushed anyone trying to get in (front door was unlocked anyway....)
My statement has always been......if something bad happens....the police will find me.....
(I did get rather pissed at my ex one time when he took our son to the ER and didn't even bother to give me a call....)
It sounds like a few of you do have some obsessive behaviors. I think there are degrees of how bad it is. Maybe you may worry about things but does it make you lose sleep. I have lost sleep over obsessive thoughts and it sucks majorly although really not for a long time also. Only after the problem is resolved does the obsessive thoughts go away although you may not want to have those thoughts.
Hoarding is a form of obsessiveness. (maybe you've heard there's a show called "hoarders" which I haven't seen yet). I don't do that, but it's the same variety of illness. Whereas somebody may have to do routines or think obsessively and their life won't be the same unless they do those routines, hoarders have to keep stuff or their life wont' be ok... I've never been a hoarder (throw the stuff out is my motto) but I can understand why they would hoard given my experience with OCD
BTW after I left high school I began to have panic attacks, especially around dinner time. In a way, OCD is like panic attacks. you get a rush of panic that you can't control and you can't control the obsessive thoughts either. I got over panic attacks when I toughed through them and learned that they did not make me lose control. I realized they could not hurt me. That's the sad part of OCD and panic attacks: they scare you because you can't control them. once you learn you can control them they don't bother you as much.
for instance, I had friends move in with because of their financial situation. I immediately began to obsess about the possibility we might get in each other's hair and I might lose them as friends. (see, here the obsessive worry is a form of checking by constantly thinking about the situation in the stupid hope that if I think about it enough I'll find the solution to keep my worry from coming about). so rather than bury my obsessional thoughts deep under my skull where they can fester, i used the cognitive method and asked myself if there was any evidence my worst fears would happen. It's sorta like an adult reasoning with a kid (I've often compared dealing with obsessional thoughts like dealing with a whiny child). When I was able to realize that my fears did not have any evidence, I was able to get over the obsessional worry and move on. Because I was able to conquer them then I have less fear of them now and therefor less helplessness.
I never took Paxil. Prozac and its generic Fluoxotine are my thing. i take one a day, 20 mg, but none on the weekends. I don't have to go to regular counseling and I only go to the dr. to make sure he see me so he can continue to prescribe my meds. he's frankly surprising I do as well as I do with so little a dose and I credit that to my analytical ability to figure stuff out. In this case, my analytical side interacts with my emotional side to correct it.
I found out last year through counseling that ADD is a close cousin of OCD (for reasons other than they both have the same # of letters). In ADD kids or adults can't control their thoughts and can't concentrate and that's why OCD is sort of like. People who fly off the handle I wouldn't be surprised they suffer from a close cousin of OCD.
and he did.
When people judge my boys I always say things like "imagine how it is for THEM!" all this is going on in their heads and their bodies- some OCD behaviours might be annoying to those with out them- but think of the person who is doing them. Howie Mandel has brought a lot of attention to this matter- I have wondered how his wife is able to deal with it all- if only all people were as accepting/understanding as she is! My sister is extremely critical of others- she once got mad at me for my jaw popping when I chewed (because it was dislocated long ago and just isn't quite right now) I thought WOW- you can't let any little thing go can you, she drives herself crazy and others too. I KNOW I have my foibles so other peoples just don't seem to bother me, I just assume I do things that annoy others as well and that's just life. I remember watching only one episode of John and Kate plus 8- she got on him about his breathing! right on camera- really belittled him for it- I didn't watch the show again, I can see why their marriage didn't work- it's sad though that he gets dumped on so much.
As long as the rituals dont interfere with your life, its perfectly fine. But we know that sometimes they can and do.
I don't know of many people who don't have some "issue." The challenge is how to deal with it. some want to and do and some refuse to and don't
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=468kMBXoP7o&feature=autoplay&list=ULjDBQeyy5VjM&lf=mfu_in_order&playnext=34
My ex didn't, couldn't, and wouldn't understand this malady. She said she had hoped I would "just get over it." well it isn't that easy.