Well, did anyone watch the finale? Two couples lasted and one engaged. Can't wait to see what you all thought of the end.

I can't wait to see Juan Pablo get a reality check on Couples Therapy. Andi and Josh split up already?

I am shocked about Andi and Josh!!!!!! I just saw a pic of them celebrating his bday in US magazing!!! Ya know, I really had a different feeling about her when we found out she was having sex with Nick right before getting engaged to Josh.....it just didn't seem right to me. I really feel Josh can do MUCH better.....

The Bach in Paradise finale was good.....

LOVE Marcus and Lacy.....he does seem to fall in love quickly, but they seem quite perfect for each other. They are sweet together.....I really hope they stay happy.....

And good for Cody and Michelle!!! I have to admit that I feel I was wrong about Cody and didn't give him enough of a chance at first....to me, he tries way too hard at first. BUT, it seems when he is given the chance to be HIMSELF, he is actually a really, really nice guy!!! The "real" Cody surprised me....in a great way. And I think he and Michelle and her daughter really go well together. So sweet!!!! Did you see Cody is moving to Utah to be with Michelle and Brielle after he trains Chris Soules to be on The Bach?!?!?! Amazing!!! Cody is a personal trainer.....and he is obviously in great shape.....so that's neat. I was really happy for them (Cody and Michelle)......glad to see they are still together.....hope it lasts.....

As for Robert and poor Sarah......what the what happened with him?!?!?!?! They get a fantasy suite in paradise......and he goes to sleep quickly........with his jeans on?!?!?!?!?!?! Speechless on this one.........I just don't have a clue...... I mean, it's OK if he wanted to "take it slow" like he said.....and he didn't want things to heat up too quickly and get physically intimate.......fine.....but what about the excitement of "pillow talk" (like Sarah said), with totally getting to know each other.......or just making out?!?!?!?! I don't get what he did at all. And then when she broke up with him, he said he was so sad, but his actions were BLANK.....and ACTIONS SPEAK MUCH LOUDER THAN WORDS......he didn't even try to explain himself, or touch or hug her, or anything.......and then the WORST part of it, Sarah started to second guess herself, like did she do the right thing.......I really felt badly for Sarah.....and I was left totally confused by Robert. He said he felt badly , but he was emotionless....I don't know what that guy is about at all.

I think they have a new hit in this version of the show. I enjoyed it. Loved all the romance....and, of course, the drama. And I liked the bloopers, and all the update comments at the end. Good to see the other successful Bach couples....I don't know Jason and Molly....wasn't watching the show then. Their show ending sounds like it was messy (I gathered that he proposed to one girl, changed his mind, broke it off, then proposed to Molly?!?!?! Wow, too bad I missed all that drama!!!!!!! LOL) And I think I am in a huge minority, and although I really like Sean....I am not a fan of his wife. To me, she says inappropriate things that kind of humiliate Sean. She didn't say any yesterday, but when I have seen her in the past, she has. (like the time when she alluded to how extremely fast their first sexual encounter was......creepily inappropriate to me. I am just not her fan.....but I am happy she and Sean are happy.) And Des and Chris.....I liked and picked Chris for her from the start. Others thought he was boring or whatever....I always liked him for her....they seem happy, too. I hope they actually get married and are happy.

So, now this is done.....will you all be watching DWTS???? I will.....and Survivor and The Amazing Race, too. Can't wait to see you there!!!!!

Oh.....and I did see the commercial for Couples Therapy with Juan Pablo and Nikki.......GIVE ME A BREAK......those two are a joke.....

Poor Sarah. Why be that way toward a guy who wanted to take things slow? They probably will hook up in the future on the next Bachelor get together. So...we shall see. Maybe Sarah was being too aggressive. He didn't want to have sex with her then hurt her. So, much for being a gentleman.

Cody and Michelle...that was a surprise. But, will he survive Utah? If he gets offers to train celebrities, then what?

Marcus and Lacy, how sweet that he proposes. We shall see if theyhreally marry or if it is a set up by producers.

Now what can we dish on? I will miss you girls

Sandy, no DWTS, Survivor or Amazing Race for you? Cause we can still dish on those....

And I certainly think it's honorable to "take things slow"....... So many people do rush into things. But it sounded like maybe there was some sort of communication breakdown between Sarah and Robert. He seemed to just kind of "shut down"..... Like he just went to sleep in the fantasy suite.....wouldn't even stay up and talk. Plus, they didn't show him do much of anything when she broke up with him. Not sure what really happened there.

But Sandy, just remember.....we can keep dishing on other shows......just let me know what you watch. Maybe we can find a show or two in common.....

We still have Big Brother. I added Amazing Race and Survivor groups to my list and have DWTS already. We need a Real Housewives group. It is better to dish on them then to see some members dish on each other...lol I steer clear of some boards, as they can be brutal.

AP: Are you watching Utopia? I am not sure if it is worth sticking with yet. It is fun to wonder how much is real and how much is set up. At least I can feel better about myself. I think, gee I am not so bad...lol

Are you going to watch Couples Therapy? I would like to see JP get called out on his cavalier behavior. What was the phrase that drove everyone nuts? "Eees ok"
I guess everything is not ok. It might be amusing to watch him be cut down to size.

Sandy, I have tried Utopia....but I am on the fence about it, like it sounds like you are. I am planning on trying a couple more episodes because I am intrigued....but not sure about it yet. Parts of it are creepy to me.....yet I am always fascinated by counter-culture types of behavior that I am totally unfamiliar with. So, I am still watching....but it will have to maybe get a bit better for me to really continue.

And, yes, I am DEFINITELY watching Couples Therapy. I like the show....Dr. Jenn Berman is good. I am just afraid that JP and Nikki will just be putting on a show....to get money and exposure. I mean, some of these people have REAL problems.....like alcoholism, severe marital issues,....I really hope that Dr. Jenn will call them out if JP tries to make a mockery of this, just like he did on The Bach. I am not watching BECAUSE of those two.....they just happen to be on the show and I am watching. I really don't like those two (JP and Nikki) at all.....but I have been watching this show for seasons, and I will stick with it.

I just LOVE reality TV....whether it's scripted or non-scripted.....I love it.....no matter what anyone says..... Like I always say: I DETEST drama in my own life, but I LOVE watching it in other peoples' lives......that's it in a nutshell.

If you want, I think we can just create a general reality TV group and discuss all the shows on there so that we don't have to go to lots of different sites. That might be a lot easier.....kind of like we are doing on this site. What do you think about that?

I agree Utopia is a bit creepy.The girls are getting nude and complaining about their safety? First day they are getting drunk. These people will be together for a year. You only have to wonder if someone might get killed and there is no law. Utopia or hell?

I have never watched Couples Therapy. I will have to catch it...mostly to see if JP gets put in a more real place.

It would be convenient and fun to have general reality tv group. Anyone can post about any favorite show. There probably would be more traffic coming through. What better way to escape our own reality then dishing about the people on television.

Who knows it may be more therapeutic to discuss the problems of tv people. No one could take it personally. Or would they? I'm not, but are you a closet reality housewife? : )

It would be reality tv therapy...lol

Reality TV therapy....I like that. I find reality TV drama a very welcome distraction from all of my very many medical and other issues. Similar to something you said previously, Sandy....looking at really big reality tv drama helps to minimize the real-life drama I have to face every single day.

Talking about more traffic coming thru.....that scares me a little cause I don't want any issues or hassles with anyone who might take things too seriously..... Maybe we should just stay on here and use it as a catch-all??? There won't be any new Bach show until the end of January. That might solve everything..... Works for me....what about you, Sandy?

I agree it is a distraction. Maybe it is why I watch so many reality programs. I like cooking competitions and Project Runway also. Sme shows I avoid because it is all about drinking and fooling around. I have young adult children and it sickens me the way some young people behave.

I wouldn't want to participate in a group where people would argue rather then discuss. Enough of that happens on the boards. I suppose if you didn't care for the nudist atheist on Utopia, someone might take offense. It is just why Utopia will fail.

Communes existed because it was like minded people who worked together. Utopia is a group of people who will have conflict because it is set up by producers. They want drama. If people got along and it was all peace and love, the audience would be bored.

If it was a real test that wanted success, would you include hot headed drinkers? Vegetarians and meat eaters will never agree. A pastor and an atheist? It seems there are many total opposites in the mix. It is a matter of time before someone gets hurt. They already stole money from the community funds.

What will Red and Dave so when their money is gone? They will steal food from the others. They smashed cans of food with no regard for the others. I know people can be voted out. I would send those two packing. So viewers or pioneers do the voting?

DS is weird again. Will post before this gets lost. Will be back later.

Sandy, I like cooking comp and tattoo comp shows, and Project Runway, too. Project Runway is one of my faves....I can't sew anything creatively at all, so it really amazes me what these people just about pull out of thin air. I like Zac Posen as a judge....but Nina Garcia does not usually constructively criticize. She tends to go the nasty route pretty often, which is not helpful nor nice....so I am not a fan. But I just LOVE Tim Gunn....one of the nicest famous men ever, to me.

The judging this year has been odd. It almost seems like they keep loving Sandyhia's designs on purpose....because they are ugly......and everyone knows those judges would not really like them, but they seem to be doing it to get a rise out of the viewers, because the social media sites have been a little up in arms about it. I guess it's a stupid ploy to try to get more viewers by getting people talking about it. And I don't like the celebrity judges. I like it when they have good designs and good judges. I mean, I may not personally LIKE every design, but I can appreciate what it took to construct it and realize it's just not my taste. It seems that Sandyhia's stuff is just plain old ugly.....yet they always love it. I know they have not been like that in the past...that's why I think it's more of a publicity thing, to be judging her in such a favorable way, when everyone on social media detests her looks. But I still love the show.

I have thrown in the towel on Utopia. I just could not get over the "creep" factor. Plus, the girl with alcohol poisoning, Red and the jail guy scheming to "withhold funds", the extremely heavy drinking, the constant "in your face" shouting matches, the "earth mother" woman, plus all the constant nudity.....just was not for me. Plus....what is a pregnant woman doing there?!?!?! How is she getting proper nutrition for her baby?!?!?! Scary.

But I did find one other new reality show.....the first episode was good. It's called Love Prison and it's on A&E. It doesn't follow week to week....each week is a new couple. But I liked the first show, so I will try it again.

I wish BB was on! I don't like waiting to see all the moves! I know who HOH is....let me know if you don't know....but you probably do. I can't wait to see who wins.

Do you watch DWTS? I never watched it. Then I got on here and some nice people invited me to watch it and dish. Now I LOVE IT!!!!!!! That starts on Monday.

And I do like keeping this dishing kind of "semi private". I am perfectly happy for all the regulars to join us....and any new friends too. But it will ruin all the fun and the good site we have if "troublemakers" join.....I just don't tolerate that well at all....I would rather not deal with anything like that. To me, there's just no reason to be nasty......we are just having fun here. I prefer to keep it that way.

Talk soon.

I agree it is better to stick with us die hard reality fans. We are just having good clean fun poking jabs at the silly people who go on tv and do insane things. I come here to escape everyday drama, be it in my life or on the boards. I am a happy camper quietly dishing here.

So, you know Caleb is HOH on BB. From what I have seen there is a lot of worried faces and scrambling at night for those not wanting to be on the block. Victoria is a given and Caleb is suggesting putting up Frankie. He says Victoria will go. He has no guarantee that Cody and Derrick will not vote out Frankie.

Derrick is pretending to be on the outs with Victoria, as it worries him that it will be a target on him, that he has a close ally. She is bummed and hanging with Frankie. Derrick is so used to venting with Victoria that he is thinking out loud too much with the other players.

Does it occur to him that he comes across as being a floater? He tells the others what amazing players they are. He says if they take him to the final, they will win against him. He doesn't mind coming in second. So, all the ego boosting he has done, they think he is just a mediocre player. The jury house has figured out what a sneaky player Derrick has been. I would rather see a cop with family win, rather then the young single guys. I hope he doesn't blow it. If the guys look beyond their big egos they may see what a manipulative player Derrick has been.

With the rewind for POV, they are all glued to the photos. They expect the scrabbled face competition to repeat itself. Will BB really make it that easy? Even Victoria is studying the faces.

It was very funny watching them trying to find ways to block off the faces. Tortilla shells with cutouts and various kitchen items were used until BB guys asked them to stop touching the screens. Caleb took a female product wrapper, cut out eye holes and used mini pads to tape it around his head. Victoria covered her face. Caleb insisted it worked perfectly. He is so dumb sometimes.

I guess Frankie will go up and maybe get voted out. They know people like him and that he could win. Think about it...Who was he friends with from the jury house? He was almost evicted for aligning with most of them. They know he did that one comp alone while Caleb sat it out. He is a big threat to Derrick. Caleb is promising Frankie he is safe. If Derrick and Cody vote him out then Caleb will be angry. Hell is ready to break loose.

I don't think Utopia will last long. It is a hot mess and seems too contrived for people to believe. I read somewhere the ratings are already going down.

Did you see the latest Project Runway? Dresses in the rain? It was a wonderful runway. Sandyhia's clothing is unique in that she is using her ethnic roots. The colors reflect her culture. An alternate wedding dress would have been red, so maybe it is why she wanted yellow. We have seen people use color and pattern where others don't. The judges always favor those innovative thinkers.

I felt the judges were playing favorite with Amanda. They have to warrant bringing her back. She seemed a bit arrogant for that. Her failures and safe creations are knocking her down to reality.

I watch the tattoo shows also. It makes me want to go out and get one....not! Do you watch the guys in Vegas? Or the cover up show with Tommy from the competition show? I am artistic in my nature, so I am amazed by the artwork.

The Survivor preview is being shown on TVGN and Hell's Kitchen has just started. So much to watch and so little time to watch. My TIVO is usually at 100%. What happened to VHS tapes? I still have my player...lol

So......you know that Cody won POV?!?! Victoria and Frankie are up.....Frankie is being totally sarcastic, self-pitying, and uber annoying on BBAD. It's just WONDERFUL!!!!!!! I REALLY hope they go thru with sending him home...... :) (And you are right.....I hope Derrick doesn't ruin it by playing too "second fiddle" to everyone else. There's one thing to some ego-stroking.....but Derrick seems to almost be "throwing himself under the bus".....he better be careful. I really do want him to win. The TV with BBAD is on in the background while I am typing....... I just heard Frankie allude to the others wanting to push the rewind button....acting kind of like he didn't want to.....that's so not true.....Frankie admitted in his D?r session that he definitely would have pushed it. He is just mad now because it so worked against him.

I also just heard Caleb say he kinda wants to split the vote (one for Victoria and one for Frankie), so that he can give the evicting vote for Frankie. Cody and Derrick are really telling him not to do that.

About Project Runway......I get that Sandyha is using bright colors because that's her preference and gives props to her heritage....I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with the fact that, to me, her designs are quite hideous. And that's what I was referring to. I agree that they are giving somewhat preferential treatment to Amanda. i kinda like her....but it seems they give her more credit than she is due.

I watch Ink Master, Best Ink and sometimes I watch the tattoo coverup show. I just saw the Miami show.....and I have my DVR set to tape Epic Ink, which I have not seen yet. I am not artistic at all, so
I am in AWE of what these people can do, i SO WANT tattoos..........and I never used to even like them before!!!!! The designs are amazing, and I love the precious stories that go together with them, too. I really respect the artistry with tattooing. I wish I would have realized that when I was younger, cause I def would have some by now!!!!!!

I LOVE Survivor, and I like The Amazing Race. And this is my first time really trying Hell's Kitchen. I watch Master Chef too......and Top Chef starts next month. Richard Blais is a new judge......I really like him!!! He was so arrogant his first competition season.......but he has really come down to earth since them. He is a good guy.

Sandy, I really am glad we found each other on here.......two uber-big-time reality TV fans who just love to dish, "tear apart the characters", in a light-hearted way, we.can have our own opinions without causing crazy drama......and we just have good, clean fun.....like you said. We should be OK on this site until January, when the next Bachelor starts. I am really enjoying the reality talk with you!!!!!

Hello girls! Sorry I haven't been on much, but I've pretty much moved to FB and now forget to even come here. I'm going to quit apologizing and just pop in now and again if that's OK.

Love that you have found this a safe and private place to dish. I'm watching all the shows you are talking about but don't have the energy to post as much. Just watched my first Utopia last night and didn't like it that much. I do love Ink Master but that's the only Ink show I watch. I love everything with Gordon Ramsey, love seeing his butt in every episode of Hotel Hell. Love the cooking and sewing competitions also.

I will watch every episode of Survivor, The Amazing Race, Big Brother. I love all the Housewives shows. I think the only competition shows I don't watch are the singing ones. Too much noise for these sensitive ears. But Top Chef and Project Runway are among my favs!

I just watched the first episode of Couples Therapy. The house guests are going to eat Juan Pablo alive I think. Do you watch Catfish on MTV? I like that and Finding Carter which is about to wind up.

I like keeping it small like this. Too many opinions spoil the bunch don't you think? We all seem to be on the same wavelength and I love you gals!

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