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Cole50
Part of the message that DS ate when I tried to post recently, I had a discussion about the stages of grieving. I thought it would be good to list those here, to help both BSs and CSs understand what they are going through on the grieving end. These are usually associated with tragedies of various kinds like a death in the family, someone getting cancer, loss of functionality due to an auto accident, etc. The loss of an affair is a little different in that the beginning of grieving toward healing may not be able to get fully underway until the parties involved feel fairly confident that the affair is over, which for some couples can be months, or even years for the determined.
BSs suffer the loss of trust, the loss of security in the relationship, the loss of innocence, the loss of who they viewed their spouse to be, even loss of feelings of love, if not loving commitment, and other related losses. Many suffer loss of self-esteem because they feel the affair was some deficiency in them, and the spouse must not love them as much as they thought. And if it ends in divorce, the loss of the whole relationship itself.
The CSs will upon hitting dday, at least experience the loss of their secret life, and if they successfully cut off contact, the loss of those relationships. They'll also experience the loss of their respect and self-esteem for what they did (many respond to this in various ways, including denial, shifting guilt, acting like everything is ok, or not wanting to talk about it because they don't enjoy being whipped up on).
There are listed five general stages of grieving most people who suffer loss go through. Not everyone will experience all of these, and they can overlap, or one may feel they've gone beyond one stage only to find themselves back there again. There isn't any neat lines and boxes when one goes from one to the other. You can experience two or three of these things all in one day. But there is a basic progression, and how well you heal from it for yourself (not taking into account any exterior circumstances that could delay or prevent it, like the CS having another affair or the BS leaving, never to return, etc.).
1. Denial.
This is the usual first stage. The event doesn't seem real. It can't be happening. There must be some explanation. She would never do this to me. BSs are especially vulnerable to gaslighting during this phase, because they are already predisposed to doubt what they are realizing has happened, even with solid proof sitting in front of them. At this stage, the BS wants to believe there is a reasonable explanation.
I remember my first reaction upon reading her confession I'd keylogged, was simply, "No! No! No!" I had to look away from the computer and sit in a chair, trying to take in what I had just read. It was just so out of character for her, I couldn't believe it was true. Yet, there it was, staring at me in black and white. And though I knew inside it wasn't likely to be the case, I hoped like wildfire that when I confronted her, she would go, "OH! You must have read what I wrote last night to that guy! I was just saying that to play along with him. It was all a big joke." Or, "I knew you installed that key logger and wanted to get back at you. Ha ha! Got you good!" Which would have been a very mean trick, but I would rather that had been the case.
For the CS, the denial may be more along the lines of not believing they'd been caught, and the gig was up. They convinced themselves they would never be caught, that they could keep this hidden. Suddenly, that's all falling apart, and for the first time perhaps, they are actually thinking about what this means and the ramifications. And they don't want to consider that. It is what they've hid from for the length of the affair, thinking the two lives could remain separate and not affecting the other. And initially, they may not want the affair to end, and deny that it has, even if they also at the same time want to rebuild with their spouse, which is where much of the ambivalence comes from. They don't want to let go of either life, lose either life, and they are in denial that it has come down to that choice.
The CS can also experience loss once they emerge from the fog of the affair and the reality of what they've done and the consequences of it all hits, and usually at that time, the full impact of the guilt. They struggle to deal with the loss of identity and the hurt they've caused.
2. Anger
Once it sets in that the affair has happened, and denial is more an emotional disconnect than a mental reality, the anger sets in. For the BS, the anger is obvious: How could you do this to me? I thought you loved me? You broke our vows! You deceived me! How dare you put my life at risk with unprotected sex behind my back!
The CS can experience anger, even if it appears irrational from the BS viewpoint: Don't talk about her/him that way! He/she is a human too. Why do you keep whipping me about this over and over, i said I was sorry! Why don't you work on yourself more, the marriage isn't all about me? I had needs too! He/she met them!
The point is, both experience loses, and anger is one reaction for many in dealing with the causes or perceived causes of those losses. How easy it is to get over that anger can be due to several factors, including the repentant attitude of the CS, the personality of the BS, and whether one or both can empathize with the others feelings of loss. The ability to do the later is usually the opposite of being angry, so the more one is able to look past their own pain and be concerned for the other, the less anger will have a hold. And at some point, the anger begins to feel pointless, as it becomes evident that it is doing more harm to the one angry than it is to the other. But in the beginning, the BS especially feels almost an obligation to be angry, to not appear to let the spouse off "easy." But if it is held onto, it can prevent the BS from getting to the point that even if the CS does all the proper steps and heals, from helping the BS to move forward with the relationship.
3. Bargaining
One stage some go through is bargaining. This is traditionally thought of in a death loss, usually the person saying something like, "God, if you'll just bring her back, I'll go to the mission field," or some other deal.
In an affair, this is more likely to be reflected in an attempt to get back to the pre-affair life too early. In BSs, it may be along the lines of "If you'll do these things, I'll stay and rebuild the marriage." Or in drastic cases, the BS might even say in not so many words, "Just don't flash it before my face, and I'll look the other way. Do what you want as long as you don't leave." Sort of a mixture of denial and bargaining. Or, "God, why did you let this happen to me? Fix him and I'll be the best wife ever."
An "in the fog" CS may think, "If I tell her/him this much of the truth, I can keep the affair going," or "If I don't tell him/her everything, I won't have to deal with his/her hurt and pain, and my shame and guilt." Post-fog CS may say in effect, "If I do everything she wants me to do, be the best husband I can be for a week, six weeks, six months, <insert whatever perceived time frame they have>, then she'll stay and things will go back to 'normal'." Of course not realizing that this is called "rebuilding," not "remodeling" for a very good reason. What is built back won't look like the original, and it will take a good two years minimum to accomplish under the best of conditions.
4. Depression
Once the hysterical bonding dies down, and the reality of what is appearing to be the new normal has set in, depression can start to build. Fostered by changing identities, unresolved issues from the affair, or marital issues magnified by the affair, the BS or CS begins to feel that these are never going to get resolved or fixed. This grows even worse if the BS discovers continued contact with the affair partner, a new affair has started, or the CS hasn't told them everything and more truth trickles out. The things they thought would "fix" the marriage don't seem to be working, and during this time it can seem the BS and/or the CS take ten steps back for every step forward.
But even in good rebuilding, when things seem to be going well, there can be a time of depression. It can be experienced early in the process when you are unsure if he/she is going to break contact with the affair partner, or they don't seem repentant, committed to rebuilding like they said, or other related issues. Likewise, later in the process, as you gain perspective with the movement of time, you will look back and lament the losses you've sustained, and that will end up being expressed as depression.
It is in this stage that many couples in rebuilding can hit a wall. The one in depression will appear to have suddenly gone from being hopeful and happy about the marriage to despairing that it will ever work. They lose hope either from being tired of the constant effort and struggle of the rebuilding process with no seeming signs of things getting better, or have unrealistic expectations of how long the rebuilding process would be and how hard it is to go through.
Some will end up giving up at this point, fearing things will never improve or work, and getting out of the marriage is the only solution left. Others can get stuck here for months, even years, effectively halting a full healing and restoration of the relationship. If the couple realizes this for what it is, a natural part of the grieving process, and are patient with each other through it, and work to get past it, it usually leads to the final stage where a fuller healing can begin in earnest.
5. Acceptance
Here, both parties have come to terms with their losses, and accepted them. They no longer are obsessed with them, and desire to look ahead rather than focus on the mess behind them. They are tired of being angry and depressed over it. A new "normal" is on the way to being established and identities formed that offer security and trust is strengthened to functioning levels. They have let go of the hurts, that even though they are still there, they aren't allowed to guide their lives and rule their thoughts. Forgiveness plays a part in reaching this stage, as injustice and anger is released and replaced with a more optimistic outlook for the future.
The key point becomes, that though it will always be there, the hurt and events of the affair are now considered "in the past" and the focus is on the future, whether one is rebuilding or in a divorced situation. And that usually allows the couple to more fully focus on themselves, or the individual on a new relationship to spend their future with.
I originally posted this in response to the hysterical bonding thread, to point out that anger and depression stages will tend to kill off hysterical bonding, though HB can happen while angry, depression usually marks the end of it.
And I think even though because of our high sex life well before dday, I haven't been able to determine when HB started or even if we were experiencing it or not, I think now I have. I've experienced some minor "depression" lately. Granted, it is hard to determine the source of the depression as being totally from the A. I am, after all, unemployed, and there are other stresses. But I think I've sensed a minor dullness or depression in me over the rebuilding itself. Not because I don't think it is going well, but I'm simply taking a look back and lamenting the losses we've experienced. Sort of a looking back and sighing. But it was bad enough this past week that I hardly got anything done I wanted to get done. Only the bare minimum.
Hopefully this will be helpful in understanding some of the issues being dealt with by both sides of the affair, and strengthen the chance for healing and rebuilding to be successful.
BSs suffer the loss of trust, the loss of security in the relationship, the loss of innocence, the loss of who they viewed their spouse to be, even loss of feelings of love, if not loving commitment, and other related losses. Many suffer loss of self-esteem because they feel the affair was some deficiency in them, and the spouse must not love them as much as they thought. And if it ends in divorce, the loss of the whole relationship itself.
The CSs will upon hitting dday, at least experience the loss of their secret life, and if they successfully cut off contact, the loss of those relationships. They'll also experience the loss of their respect and self-esteem for what they did (many respond to this in various ways, including denial, shifting guilt, acting like everything is ok, or not wanting to talk about it because they don't enjoy being whipped up on).
There are listed five general stages of grieving most people who suffer loss go through. Not everyone will experience all of these, and they can overlap, or one may feel they've gone beyond one stage only to find themselves back there again. There isn't any neat lines and boxes when one goes from one to the other. You can experience two or three of these things all in one day. But there is a basic progression, and how well you heal from it for yourself (not taking into account any exterior circumstances that could delay or prevent it, like the CS having another affair or the BS leaving, never to return, etc.).
1. Denial.
This is the usual first stage. The event doesn't seem real. It can't be happening. There must be some explanation. She would never do this to me. BSs are especially vulnerable to gaslighting during this phase, because they are already predisposed to doubt what they are realizing has happened, even with solid proof sitting in front of them. At this stage, the BS wants to believe there is a reasonable explanation.
I remember my first reaction upon reading her confession I'd keylogged, was simply, "No! No! No!" I had to look away from the computer and sit in a chair, trying to take in what I had just read. It was just so out of character for her, I couldn't believe it was true. Yet, there it was, staring at me in black and white. And though I knew inside it wasn't likely to be the case, I hoped like wildfire that when I confronted her, she would go, "OH! You must have read what I wrote last night to that guy! I was just saying that to play along with him. It was all a big joke." Or, "I knew you installed that key logger and wanted to get back at you. Ha ha! Got you good!" Which would have been a very mean trick, but I would rather that had been the case.
For the CS, the denial may be more along the lines of not believing they'd been caught, and the gig was up. They convinced themselves they would never be caught, that they could keep this hidden. Suddenly, that's all falling apart, and for the first time perhaps, they are actually thinking about what this means and the ramifications. And they don't want to consider that. It is what they've hid from for the length of the affair, thinking the two lives could remain separate and not affecting the other. And initially, they may not want the affair to end, and deny that it has, even if they also at the same time want to rebuild with their spouse, which is where much of the ambivalence comes from. They don't want to let go of either life, lose either life, and they are in denial that it has come down to that choice.
The CS can also experience loss once they emerge from the fog of the affair and the reality of what they've done and the consequences of it all hits, and usually at that time, the full impact of the guilt. They struggle to deal with the loss of identity and the hurt they've caused.
2. Anger
Once it sets in that the affair has happened, and denial is more an emotional disconnect than a mental reality, the anger sets in. For the BS, the anger is obvious: How could you do this to me? I thought you loved me? You broke our vows! You deceived me! How dare you put my life at risk with unprotected sex behind my back!
The CS can experience anger, even if it appears irrational from the BS viewpoint: Don't talk about her/him that way! He/she is a human too. Why do you keep whipping me about this over and over, i said I was sorry! Why don't you work on yourself more, the marriage isn't all about me? I had needs too! He/she met them!
The point is, both experience loses, and anger is one reaction for many in dealing with the causes or perceived causes of those losses. How easy it is to get over that anger can be due to several factors, including the repentant attitude of the CS, the personality of the BS, and whether one or both can empathize with the others feelings of loss. The ability to do the later is usually the opposite of being angry, so the more one is able to look past their own pain and be concerned for the other, the less anger will have a hold. And at some point, the anger begins to feel pointless, as it becomes evident that it is doing more harm to the one angry than it is to the other. But in the beginning, the BS especially feels almost an obligation to be angry, to not appear to let the spouse off "easy." But if it is held onto, it can prevent the BS from getting to the point that even if the CS does all the proper steps and heals, from helping the BS to move forward with the relationship.
3. Bargaining
One stage some go through is bargaining. This is traditionally thought of in a death loss, usually the person saying something like, "God, if you'll just bring her back, I'll go to the mission field," or some other deal.
In an affair, this is more likely to be reflected in an attempt to get back to the pre-affair life too early. In BSs, it may be along the lines of "If you'll do these things, I'll stay and rebuild the marriage." Or in drastic cases, the BS might even say in not so many words, "Just don't flash it before my face, and I'll look the other way. Do what you want as long as you don't leave." Sort of a mixture of denial and bargaining. Or, "God, why did you let this happen to me? Fix him and I'll be the best wife ever."
An "in the fog" CS may think, "If I tell her/him this much of the truth, I can keep the affair going," or "If I don't tell him/her everything, I won't have to deal with his/her hurt and pain, and my shame and guilt." Post-fog CS may say in effect, "If I do everything she wants me to do, be the best husband I can be for a week, six weeks, six months, <insert whatever perceived time frame they have>, then she'll stay and things will go back to 'normal'." Of course not realizing that this is called "rebuilding," not "remodeling" for a very good reason. What is built back won't look like the original, and it will take a good two years minimum to accomplish under the best of conditions.
4. Depression
Once the hysterical bonding dies down, and the reality of what is appearing to be the new normal has set in, depression can start to build. Fostered by changing identities, unresolved issues from the affair, or marital issues magnified by the affair, the BS or CS begins to feel that these are never going to get resolved or fixed. This grows even worse if the BS discovers continued contact with the affair partner, a new affair has started, or the CS hasn't told them everything and more truth trickles out. The things they thought would "fix" the marriage don't seem to be working, and during this time it can seem the BS and/or the CS take ten steps back for every step forward.
But even in good rebuilding, when things seem to be going well, there can be a time of depression. It can be experienced early in the process when you are unsure if he/she is going to break contact with the affair partner, or they don't seem repentant, committed to rebuilding like they said, or other related issues. Likewise, later in the process, as you gain perspective with the movement of time, you will look back and lament the losses you've sustained, and that will end up being expressed as depression.
It is in this stage that many couples in rebuilding can hit a wall. The one in depression will appear to have suddenly gone from being hopeful and happy about the marriage to despairing that it will ever work. They lose hope either from being tired of the constant effort and struggle of the rebuilding process with no seeming signs of things getting better, or have unrealistic expectations of how long the rebuilding process would be and how hard it is to go through.
Some will end up giving up at this point, fearing things will never improve or work, and getting out of the marriage is the only solution left. Others can get stuck here for months, even years, effectively halting a full healing and restoration of the relationship. If the couple realizes this for what it is, a natural part of the grieving process, and are patient with each other through it, and work to get past it, it usually leads to the final stage where a fuller healing can begin in earnest.
5. Acceptance
Here, both parties have come to terms with their losses, and accepted them. They no longer are obsessed with them, and desire to look ahead rather than focus on the mess behind them. They are tired of being angry and depressed over it. A new "normal" is on the way to being established and identities formed that offer security and trust is strengthened to functioning levels. They have let go of the hurts, that even though they are still there, they aren't allowed to guide their lives and rule their thoughts. Forgiveness plays a part in reaching this stage, as injustice and anger is released and replaced with a more optimistic outlook for the future.
The key point becomes, that though it will always be there, the hurt and events of the affair are now considered "in the past" and the focus is on the future, whether one is rebuilding or in a divorced situation. And that usually allows the couple to more fully focus on themselves, or the individual on a new relationship to spend their future with.
I originally posted this in response to the hysterical bonding thread, to point out that anger and depression stages will tend to kill off hysterical bonding, though HB can happen while angry, depression usually marks the end of it.
And I think even though because of our high sex life well before dday, I haven't been able to determine when HB started or even if we were experiencing it or not, I think now I have. I've experienced some minor "depression" lately. Granted, it is hard to determine the source of the depression as being totally from the A. I am, after all, unemployed, and there are other stresses. But I think I've sensed a minor dullness or depression in me over the rebuilding itself. Not because I don't think it is going well, but I'm simply taking a look back and lamenting the losses we've experienced. Sort of a looking back and sighing. But it was bad enough this past week that I hardly got anything done I wanted to get done. Only the bare minimum.
Hopefully this will be helpful in understanding some of the issues being dealt with by both sides of the affair, and strengthen the chance for healing and rebuilding to be successful.
Sorry you've had to join the club no one wants to belong to, but for the BSs at least, didn't have a choice in the matter.
Sorry about the abbreviations. I actually intended to not use them, though I did use HB at the end after stating the full name so as not to confuse, because I wanted it to be readable by newer folks. But I'm so used to using the terms now that they slip in without me thinking about it. lol. I know how you feel, though. When I first joined I was confused about them for a while too. But here is a brief run down of the common ones you'll see:
BS = Betrayed Spouse
CS = Cheating Spouse
OW = Other Woman
OM = Other Man
OP = Other Person
H = Husband
W = Wife
A = Affair
STBX = Soon to be EX spouse
dday, Dday, DD = Discovery Day (when you found out)
Those are the most common ones, though you'll see others at times. And I still run across usages I'm not sure what they are referring to, but can usually guess from context.
Glad that was helpful. Yes, you are not that far removed from the roller coaster ride, and depending on your situation, can still be zooming around curves and loop the loops.
My wife, Gabrielle on the forum here, and I are a little over seven months out from dday. We're doing well in the rebuilding, but still have a long ways to go. The general time frame for rebuilding when everything goes "right" is a minimum of two years. Many take longer to find and settle comfortably into their new "normal." So realize this is a long journey, but it can get better and rebuilding is possible. And though many don't make it, many do. If I recall the statistics from a book I read, the success rate of most marriage counselors in helping the couples who come to them is around 40%. Not a big number, but not small either. According to the author of "His Needs, Her Needs," when using the counseling in his book, that success rate goes up to around 60 something percent, which is a much better rate. A good book to read. It has helped me and my wife a lot.
We're here to support you. Feel free to ask any questions you have.
I am so thankful I found DS and all of you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ok most of you,,there is a character lurking we could do without :)
I am so thankful I found DS and all of you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ok most of you,,there is a character lurking we could do without :)
Thank goodness you were writing this post and not "getting other things done" today. You applied the 5 stages beautifully to our situation and I am grateful for the validation of my feelings and the quite adept description of my H's behavior. We are not quite 3.5 months post Dday. Things are improving for me and my anger is dissipating so I'm now able to gain valuable insight. I am the BS. My H continues to demonize me to justify the A but has begun to see the pain he has caused and his behavior has begun to shift somewhat. Perhaps the fog is lifting and the guilt is settling in.
Like all the responders, I am grateful for this site and the wonderful people posting and sharing. Thanks again!
Louise
Even though I've read about this years ago, and see it now and then, it's always good to be reminded. And probably especially helpful to those who haven't really seen the full list of stages, and hadn't considered why they feel so badly. This does help newcomers to realize, how similar a divorce, or a betrayal really does follow the steps of grieving the loss of that dream they had: that they were married, and would live well together, and continue loving each other, without this possibility even being in their mind!
Thanks again, Cole! How thoughtful, even tho the computer fought you tooth and nail, you stuck to it!