Narcissist Trauma Survival and Recovery Community Group
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Hi! In July, I will have been on the (old and new) forum about a year. I'm glad I found this place, as I was posting other places and not getting much response other than ... "wow! That's crazy. Good luck." Not very helpful, as you might imagine. I only wish I'd had a lot of this information available way back ...
I am on the 20th month of my second divorce from the same guy. Third dissolution filed in our "marriage". I ended up back here because my naivete prevented me from taking steps to protect my mental health AND my legal rights when we divorced in 2000. He gained custody of our children during the 1st divorce and not only wielded it as a weapon, but later tried to cut me out of our children's lives altogether. I ended up in jail (contempt of Court) when I tried to get the Court's attention and a protective order. That was 2003. I held my ground, got legal representation and prevented him from carrying out those plans.
Best part, though, is that I got my mind back. My husband's brother snatched our children in 1998. precipitating panic attacks in me. These remained undiagnosed for years. In fact, he had me hospitalized a couple of times just by saying I was going to kill our pastor, then later, myself. The hospitalizations and basically, losing my freedom based on a flimsy statement made by someone who wasn't looking out for my interests was in itself traumatizing. I couldn't even stay in our house ... I didn't realize it til much later, but I kept waiting for something bad to happen.
I was able to structure some job situations that didn't cause problems for me ... I had past difficulties relating to anxiety in particular; probably compounded by misdiagnosis and treatment for bipolar disorder (1998) rather than PTSD, which was not diagnosed until 2003. I finally received a promotion to a career level position in 2006; possibly my husband feared my improvement might eventually give me an advantage in Court ... I don't know. My attorney held out no hope to me of being able to get the custody changed, so over the course of a year of my husband insisting he "wanted me back" and loved me, I came back, not originally to marry, but decrease the stress to our children and lessen the impact on my finances. I did think he had changed and we were engaged, later remarried.
After a near fatal heart attack in 2009 and a foot ulcer in 2010, he began an affair with a married nurse who was treating him. At first, I thought it was a stress thing ... now I realize that my assertive refusal to keep following his script, plus a gambling habit that was a lot bigger than I knew, prompted him to look for "greener pastures" and dump me first chance. He originally tried to scare and bully me out of our home and is in the process of trying to force bankruptcy on me.
I'm hoping to turn things in a positive direction and soon, hopefully! Working on setting up business to expand book sales I originally started casually as a way to help pay his medical bills.
I'm probably a little bit on the serious side, maybe because I have been through a lot and maybe 'cause I'm the oldest and always heard I was "supposed to set a good example". But I like to have fun, too and have a quirky but often dry sense of humor. If ever I say something that doesn't sit right, please let me know. I'd much rather solve things right away and not let things fester. You can PM anytime, if you prefer. Especially, too if you have any questions, etc. At times I get busy and check messages but don't always get a chance to read all the posts, depending on how much activity there is.
I'm willing to share any of what I have been through or learned along the way, including likely resources, if that can help you keep out of the predicaments I found myself in. Main point I learned along the way: children are props, just as you are. They are disposable, but often Ns will fight to keep them for a variety of reasons: money, image, control are probably the biggest. I just say this because I couldn't, in past, wrap my head around the idea of a parent not loving their child(ren). Still can't. But my husband's mother lives next door and I KNOW that she is helping her son not only destroy himself, but her grandchildren's family - AGAIN. Not even batting an eye; I am now convinced of the truth. And my children lost out on a lot of good by my not knowing or understanding what I was dealing with and apparently, the mental health and legal places aren't the most knowledgeable or helpful.
I am on the 20th month of my second divorce from the same guy. Third dissolution filed in our "marriage". I ended up back here because my naivete prevented me from taking steps to protect my mental health AND my legal rights when we divorced in 2000. He gained custody of our children during the 1st divorce and not only wielded it as a weapon, but later tried to cut me out of our children's lives altogether. I ended up in jail (contempt of Court) when I tried to get the Court's attention and a protective order. That was 2003. I held my ground, got legal representation and prevented him from carrying out those plans.
Best part, though, is that I got my mind back. My husband's brother snatched our children in 1998. precipitating panic attacks in me. These remained undiagnosed for years. In fact, he had me hospitalized a couple of times just by saying I was going to kill our pastor, then later, myself. The hospitalizations and basically, losing my freedom based on a flimsy statement made by someone who wasn't looking out for my interests was in itself traumatizing. I couldn't even stay in our house ... I didn't realize it til much later, but I kept waiting for something bad to happen.
I was able to structure some job situations that didn't cause problems for me ... I had past difficulties relating to anxiety in particular; probably compounded by misdiagnosis and treatment for bipolar disorder (1998) rather than PTSD, which was not diagnosed until 2003. I finally received a promotion to a career level position in 2006; possibly my husband feared my improvement might eventually give me an advantage in Court ... I don't know. My attorney held out no hope to me of being able to get the custody changed, so over the course of a year of my husband insisting he "wanted me back" and loved me, I came back, not originally to marry, but decrease the stress to our children and lessen the impact on my finances. I did think he had changed and we were engaged, later remarried.
After a near fatal heart attack in 2009 and a foot ulcer in 2010, he began an affair with a married nurse who was treating him. At first, I thought it was a stress thing ... now I realize that my assertive refusal to keep following his script, plus a gambling habit that was a lot bigger than I knew, prompted him to look for "greener pastures" and dump me first chance. He originally tried to scare and bully me out of our home and is in the process of trying to force bankruptcy on me.
I'm hoping to turn things in a positive direction and soon, hopefully! Working on setting up business to expand book sales I originally started casually as a way to help pay his medical bills.
I'm probably a little bit on the serious side, maybe because I have been through a lot and maybe 'cause I'm the oldest and always heard I was "supposed to set a good example". But I like to have fun, too and have a quirky but often dry sense of humor. If ever I say something that doesn't sit right, please let me know. I'd much rather solve things right away and not let things fester. You can PM anytime, if you prefer. Especially, too if you have any questions, etc. At times I get busy and check messages but don't always get a chance to read all the posts, depending on how much activity there is.
I'm willing to share any of what I have been through or learned along the way, including likely resources, if that can help you keep out of the predicaments I found myself in. Main point I learned along the way: children are props, just as you are. They are disposable, but often Ns will fight to keep them for a variety of reasons: money, image, control are probably the biggest. I just say this because I couldn't, in past, wrap my head around the idea of a parent not loving their child(ren). Still can't. But my husband's mother lives next door and I KNOW that she is helping her son not only destroy himself, but her grandchildren's family - AGAIN. Not even batting an eye; I am now convinced of the truth. And my children lost out on a lot of good by my not knowing or understanding what I was dealing with and apparently, the mental health and legal places aren't the most knowledgeable or helpful.
I enjoy your posts and have learned alot.....".N's seek revenge and the infliction of emotional pain."
I've posted this before but there's alot of info on parental alienation on the internet. There could be additional boards to join for info on how to handle him and the children but sounds like you have that under control too.
Anyway, the divorce/child custody issues are hugely affected by the Alienating Parent (him and his mother) going after the Target Parent. (you) Lots of info on why they do this and why they don't care about the kids.
I'm not trying to sell any books or anything but klothconsulting.com is a great resource. She has free chat rooms and a book. She helped us with my stepkids.
Soar with the eagles!!
I'm so sorry you thought you were the problem.
Well, actually, my husband and I thought we were the problem too.
The source was the children's mother. Actually, doing this to the kids and making them choose between parents is really child abuse.
Like I say, lots of info on parental alienation on the internet now, thank goodness.
Your tenacity is amazing. You are like that pink Energizer Bunny . . . you take a licking and keep on ticking. YEA!!!!
Your tenacity is amazing. You are like that pink Energizer Bunny . . . you take a licking and keep on ticking. YEA!!!!
Or, maybe that was the Bulova watch . . . anyway, you get the point!!! Hugs.
game and hanging in there against all odds. I was similar to you in that
I believed my Nh for a very long time and always thought I was the " crazy"
one. He even accompanied me to therapy appointments and sat there
smugly while my "therapist" and I lavished him with praise. I still cringe
thinking about that.
Later, when I became more assertive, we went to couples counseling
together, and he used to mouth F*#@ You and give me the finger,
while the counselors back was turned. He could change from Jekyl
to Hyde in a matter of seconds, talk about crazy.
My inlaws have slandered me to the entire extended family, so that
I am isolated and without allies. Meanwhile, after ignoring my son almost
completely for 10 years, my Nlaws are love bombing him like crazy
and make fun of me as a group in front of him, and encourage him to
join in.
I'm thinking that parental alienation is some kind of game to the N.
Watching us getting ground down makes them feel like winners.
I had a laugh when he filed divorce; we were supposed to get mental health evals done ... I've had so many it's pointless. But I had gotten the info and passed it on to him ... another blow-up and of course, he thought that somehow I orchestrated it! He lucked out though, because our daughter was close enough to 18 that he just let the time pass ...
But my long term therapist just gave me a letter expressing that the majority of any "mental health issues" I have, are in his opinion, the result of my NH's untreated pathology and trying to cope with him/itfor the benefit of my daughters. That made me feel better!
complex PTSD, which takes longer to treat. I am so glad that your
therapist is willing to stand up for you and tell the truth. I hope you are at
a place now where you can disregard all the obnoxious lies your NH
and family are spreading, and not let them affect your equanimity.
So hard to do.
I find that speaking to my Nh with a detached professional demeanor
is the most helpful. That way he'll have to psychoanalyze me on his
own time, with only the power of his demented imagination as his
guide. But really it doesn't matter, because both he and his whole
family just make stuff up. Arrrrgh! At least when I can manage to be
detached I feel much better about myself and in control.
They remind me of ticks, that start out so tiny, but soon swell up to the
size of a small grape after feasting on blood. I think that's a perfect
analogy for the N.
Watching us getting ground down makes them feel like winners~ bettybean
I have to agree that in probably most cases that takes place to a large degree. it is simply another of the trademarks of the disorder. It is all about them. These are "their" kids as long as they can be objects of pride or objects to use for praise. changes quickly if the child develops a serious illness or lands in trouble.
betty -about your in-laws...welcome to my world.
My brother did that to me. He was the other N in my life but was such a two faced monster, I didn't even know he was bad mouthing me to the family behind my back. I have a LARGE extended family. I was left without any allies after my mother died and some legal issues with her estate. That's when my brother really took after me as executor. Lies and flies everywhere. but through therapy, I just hung in there and didn't let him have the whole football field to himself. It also helps if you don't care what people think. that helped alot and was a big survival lesson for me....DO NOT CARE WHAT PEOPLE THINK. ONLY CARE WHAT YOU THINK.
Anyway, I've been there. Just get away from them if possible. The love bombing for the teen may not work. My children told me. "Mom, we know you and we know that you have very good reasons for not seeing them."
I think George Washington said that it's better have no company than to be in bad company.