Okay I wll try to keep things going while Carolin and kathy try to figure out how to get their posts to work.  We did no make it to the 5k walk this morning.  I could not get up after being up most of the night.  Carolin, sorry about your pain.  Hope you feel better soon.  Kathy, I will pm you.  Went to Pier 1 with Tom and we plannd another camping trip.