Did anyone understand the article on the main board about the dangers of B12 for people with HCV? Since I'm injecting it, I'm getting a pretty potent dose.
Just my intital observations.... the publication date of that article on the main forum was almost 13 years old. My 2 cents is that if B12 were really effective by any means at inhibiting viral replication then numerous studies since then would've corroberated that information and it would've become a standard of care a long time ago.
Here's a study done that is much easier to read than the other B12 one and shows that B12 was completely ineffective against the virus. The great news is that it shows promise for three other nutrients and polyunsaturated fatty acids and it's less than 5 years old.
I was trying to bring things to peoples attention..I actually did not see how dated the info was...however that is no reason to "try and throw me under the bus" Every bit of information is valuable to me and I try to share and let other people make decisions and judgements on their own. So sorry I will try to make sure I don't post out dated material again.
Hi Gooser... I'm sorry if you felt as if my reply to Brigid's question was throwing you under the bus. That was not my intent at all.
I was just trying to help.
We're all on this journey together and sharing information is crucial. I'm glad there are folks like yourself sharing studies and research that's been done regardless of the date of publication.
Please don't let this stop you from being out on the frontlines by any means... HCV has proven to be tricky and evasive.... so we definitely need each other to battle the dragon. Sometimes what we share might be efficacious and other times it might prove not to be so efficacious.
We are all learning together... and I know I have a lot to learn.... I mean, a whole lot.
In fact, the more I know... the more I know I don't know.
No hard feelings I hope... I really was just trying to help address Brigid's questions & concerns.
I've studied nutrition and supplements for many years, before I found out I had Hep C. There are several kinds of B-12 on the market. The CHEAP form is cyanocobalamin. In order to use this cheap B-12, the liver has to change it to methylcobalamin. This means to me that taking cyano B-12 is hard on the liver, which is already working hard with this virus to deal with. I would recommend that supplementing with B-12 in the form of metylcobalamin is going to be easier on the liver and is a vital supp for vegetarians, especially vegans, since most B-12 comes from animal sources. There are a few B-12 sources in the plant kingdom: mushrooms and spirulina and chlorella all have B-12.
The article says that B-12 supplementation would increase energy. When I took therapeutic doses of spirulina and chlorella for 2 days, my energy which had been gone for almost 3 years returned and I felt recovered.
Also, there are a few sublingual B-12, which is the best way to get B-12, besides injections. B-12 stores in the body, so you don't have to take it every day, and therefore, you can get a high dose once a week. Here are some high-potency B-12, 5000 mcg, sublinqual, I'd recommend the Jarrow. The Natural Factors is chewable, not sublinqual. I haven't tried the other brands. NOW can be good, it can also be cheap, meaning inferior, IMHO. I got some NOW spirulina and it was awful. People buy cheap brands and expect good results. That's like buying $10 jeans and expecting a $30 fit. LOL Or expecting good results from eating stale, old, or moldy food.
B vitamins are essential and I take 2 a day without food, since they don't require digestion. You'll notice the B-12 is Vitamin B-12 (as dibencozide, methylcobalamin). Dibencozide is the other easily absorbed form of B-12.
would be interesting to find out how injections are handled by the body, Brigid. I don't really know. I going to guess that it would hit the liver about 3 minutes after injection, since the entire circulatory system goes through the liver every 3 minutes or so.
I feel a little weird right after. But then I do roller massage and take a hot bath, and the next morning I wake up before my alarm, ready to take on the world. Even the week I only did the B12 and not the secret ingredient, so I could use a thinner needle, I still felt energized. I'll pay attention to the three minute mark tomorrow when I do it. I do wonder why she'd use a cheap form. She's a chemist, not a dr. She should know these things.
Umm... Brigid.... anything with a "secret ingredient" is a red-flag in my book. I mean, is this ingredient even a secret from you?
If so, I personally would stop dealing with this person immediately.Because If that's the case, than for all you know, they might just be giving you regular B12 shots with a jacked up pricetag.
I sure hope you are not being taken advantage of by some con artist.
There really should be full disclosure from Dr's of anything they want to treat you with. I got all my papers from my ND and the recipe for the nutritional IV's he was giving me. I decided it was much cheaper and safer to take C orally and did so faithfully for several years. I don't take it so much anymore, just when I think I need it to stave off something like a cold.
Thanks for your concern. I've certainly run into enough con artists! Elena isn't though; she's Dr. Revici's great niece and her motivation seems to be to clear his name (He had his license taken away, then given back) and his contributions recognized. I know this treatment may not work. It was developed for people with cancer and didn't even help all of them. But it helped a lot of "hopeless" cases. All the formulas are marked with letters. There is definitely another ingredient -- I do the shot myself and take some from each of two bottles. One bottle is from soemwehre else and is marked with the clinical name for B12. The other is from the Revici labs.
In the past 20 years since I was diagnosed, I've been researching and experimenting with lots of forms of healing. I've been a partner, or even a teacher, of my practitioners, and I'm exhausted from it. It's been kind of a relief to let someone else drive, to have a bossy Romanian woman tell me to just take the meds and balance the ph of my pee and let her do the rest. Of course, if it's not working, then I'll have to take up the reins again. And I still can't get my ph to balance either. I've been eating more bread, corn, and chocolate, and I'm still alkaline most of the time. Not to mention drinking tomato juice twice a day. I think practitioners can try their best, and be on the level, and still not be able to help everyone.
Cyanocobalamin is a cheap, synthetic chemical made in a laboratory. It's virtually impossible for you to find this form in nature. Low-end vitamin manufacturers use it because it can be bought in bulk and added to products with claims that they "contain vitamin B-12!" What they don't tell you is that the vitamin is bound to a toxic, poisonous cyanide molecule that must then be removed from your body by your liver. Cyanocobalamin is also up to 100 times cheaper than the higher quality methylcobalamin which we'll talk about below.
As Wikipedia explains: "A common synthetic form of the vitamin, cyanocobalamin, does not occur in nature, but is used in many pharmaceuticals and supplements, and as a food additive, because of its lower cost. In the body it is converted to the physiological forms, methylcobalamin and adenosylcobalamin, leaving behind the cyanide..." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12)
Removing the cyanide molecule from the vitamin and then flushing it out of your body requires using up so-called "methyl groups" of molecules in your body that are needed to fight things like homocysteine (high levels cause heart disease). By taking low-quality cyanobalamin, you're actually stealing methyl groups from your body and making it do more work at the biochemical level. This uses up substances such as glutathione that are often in short supply anyway, potentially worsening your overall health situation rather than helping it. This is one of the reasons why low-grade vitamins may actually be worse for your body than taking nothing at all!
Cyanocobalamin, in summary, is a low-grade, low-quality and slightly toxic (cyanide) form of vitamin B-12 that's used by all the cheap vitamin manufacturers. I recommend avoiding it completely. It won't kill you to take it, of course, but there's a better solution for B-12.
I had no idea either. And I must say I was less anxious not knowing. Just checked my oral vitamins,t he ones my homeopath recommended. They're Biotics brand and use the methyl type. Not sure if I should stop the injections or not...
Cyanide is also found in small quantities in nuts and seeds such as almonds and flax. Peach seeds, plum, apricot, bitter almond, apple seeds....ran out of kinds. you can google it. I think cyanide is something that can build up in the body, and after awhile, you might get a rash or something. My hubby got a big itchy rash on his abdomen and sides, and after several weeks of trying all kinds of things, we even stopped gluten and that didn't help, I ran into the info on cyanide and he's been taking 5 T of Flax seed meal a day. He stopped and the rash went away.
Just my intital observations.... the publication date of that article on the main forum was almost 13 years old. My 2 cents is that if B12 were really effective by any means at inhibiting viral replication then numerous studies since then would've corroberated that information and it would've become a standard of care a long time ago.
Here's a study done that is much easier to read than the other B12 one and shows that B12 was completely ineffective against the virus. The great news is that it shows promise for three other nutrients and polyunsaturated fatty acids and it's less than 5 years old.
Hope this helps! http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1891399/pdf/1426-06.pdf?tool=pmcentrez
I was just trying to help.
We're all on this journey together and sharing information is crucial. I'm glad there are folks like yourself sharing studies and research that's been done regardless of the date of publication.
Please don't let this stop you from being out on the frontlines by any means... HCV has proven to be tricky and evasive.... so we definitely need each other to battle the dragon. Sometimes what we share might be efficacious and other times it might prove not to be so efficacious.
We are all learning together... and I know I have a lot to learn.... I mean, a whole lot.
In fact, the more I know... the more I know I don't know.
No hard feelings I hope... I really was just trying to help address Brigid's questions & concerns.
Blessings,
Reverer
The article says that B-12 supplementation would increase energy. When I took therapeutic doses of spirulina and chlorella for 2 days, my energy which had been gone for almost 3 years returned and I felt recovered.
Also, there are a few sublingual B-12, which is the best way to get B-12, besides injections. B-12 stores in the body, so you don't have to take it every day, and therefore, you can get a high dose once a week. Here are some high-potency B-12, 5000 mcg, sublinqual, I'd recommend the Jarrow. The Natural Factors is chewable, not sublinqual. I haven't tried the other brands. NOW can be good, it can also be cheap, meaning inferior, IMHO. I got some NOW spirulina and it was awful. People buy cheap brands and expect good results. That's like buying $10 jeans and expecting a $30 fit. LOL Or expecting good results from eating stale, old, or moldy food.
http://www.iherb.com/Search?kw=5000&cid=1747&rcode=kat800
I take one a week or sometimes skip a week. That bottle will last you a year.
I also take coenzymated B vitamins, which the liver doesn't have to process.
http://www.iherb.com/Country-Life-Coenzyme-B-Complex-Caps-240-Veggie-Caps/12081?at=0&rcode=kat800
B vitamins are essential and I take 2 a day without food, since they don't require digestion. You'll notice the B-12 is Vitamin B-12 (as dibencozide, methylcobalamin). Dibencozide is the other easily absorbed form of B-12.
If so, I personally would stop dealing with this person immediately.Because If that's the case, than for all you know, they might just be giving you regular B12 shots with a jacked up pricetag.
I sure hope you are not being taken advantage of by some con artist.
Godspeed!
Thanks for your concern. I've certainly run into enough con artists! Elena isn't though; she's Dr. Revici's great niece and her motivation seems to be to clear his name (He had his license taken away, then given back) and his contributions recognized. I know this treatment may not work. It was developed for people with cancer and didn't even help all of them. But it helped a lot of "hopeless" cases. All the formulas are marked with letters. There is definitely another ingredient -- I do the shot myself and take some from each of two bottles. One bottle is from soemwehre else and is marked with the clinical name for B12. The other is from the Revici labs.
In the past 20 years since I was diagnosed, I've been researching and experimenting with lots of forms of healing. I've been a partner, or even a teacher, of my practitioners, and I'm exhausted from it. It's been kind of a relief to let someone else drive, to have a bossy Romanian woman tell me to just take the meds and balance the ph of my pee and let her do the rest. Of course, if it's not working, then I'll have to take up the reins again. And I still can't get my ph to balance either. I've been eating more bread, corn, and chocolate, and I'm still alkaline most of the time. Not to mention drinking tomato juice twice a day. I think practitioners can try their best, and be on the level, and still not be able to help everyone.
http://www.naturalnews.com/032766_cyanocobalamin_vitamin_B-12.html
Cyanocobalamin is a cheap, synthetic chemical made in a laboratory. It's virtually impossible for you to find this form in nature. Low-end vitamin manufacturers use it because it can be bought in bulk and added to products with claims that they "contain vitamin B-12!" What they don't tell you is that the vitamin is bound to a toxic, poisonous cyanide molecule that must then be removed from your body by your liver. Cyanocobalamin is also up to 100 times cheaper than the higher quality methylcobalamin which we'll talk about below.
As Wikipedia explains: "A common synthetic form of the vitamin, cyanocobalamin, does not occur in nature, but is used in many pharmaceuticals and supplements, and as a food additive, because of its lower cost. In the body it is converted to the physiological forms, methylcobalamin and adenosylcobalamin, leaving behind the cyanide..." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12)
Removing the cyanide molecule from the vitamin and then flushing it out of your body requires using up so-called "methyl groups" of molecules in your body that are needed to fight things like homocysteine (high levels cause heart disease). By taking low-quality cyanobalamin, you're actually stealing methyl groups from your body and making it do more work at the biochemical level. This uses up substances such as glutathione that are often in short supply anyway, potentially worsening your overall health situation rather than helping it. This is one of the reasons why low-grade vitamins may actually be worse for your body than taking nothing at all!
Cyanocobalamin, in summary, is a low-grade, low-quality and slightly toxic (cyanide) form of vitamin B-12 that's used by all the cheap vitamin manufacturers. I recommend avoiding it completely. It won't kill you to take it, of course, but there's a better solution for B-12.
I had no idea!