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But, then again, I can't even get along with my crazy neighbor dude. (chuckle)
This is an excerpt from a book... I love this particular piece and maybe it isn't the kind of thing that belongs here, Papa feel free to take it down if you don't think it should be on this site. I am not really sure if it is the kind of thing you like discussing here or not? No harm intended. Ok
Note that I am starting this somewhere in the middle... most of the beginning has to do with recommendations as to how and when to use this particular book in a homeschool setting... So, It may sound a little strange.. but i think you will get the gist of the particular words in this that I have found so fascinating... and thought they may be appropriate here .... Maybe a thought for all to discuss.. I really found this to be peaceful to my soul... and very true indeed... I am not well read or educated so I also thought someone here with more knowledge of "history" may also be able to enlighten me more on the story of who Alexander Solzhenitsyn was... I kind of have a pretty good idea in my mind of who and what period of time this is referring too.. But, I may find out from some of you that my idea may be wrong... Anyhow, here it is.
This passage is from The Story of the World... Vol.4 The Modern Age By Susan Wise Bauer.... From the Forword of the book...
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Despite their violent nature, I don't think these events should be ignored by parents of young children. A fourth grader hears the news on the car radio, on the TV, or in the conversation of his elders. He hears the words ("terrorism") and senses the worry of the adults around him. A fourth or fifth grader who has a vague idea of what is going on in the world deserves to be started on the path to understanding. The shape of the world today is not random; it has been formed by a very definite pattern of happenings. To deny a child an understanding of that pattern is truly to doom a child to fear, because war, unrest, and violence appear totally random.
Even in this book, violence is not random. It is alarming, but not random. As you read, you will see, again and again, The same pattern acted out: A person or a group of people rejects injustice by rebelling and seizing the reins of power. As soon as those reins are in the hands of the rebels, the rebels become the establishment, the victims become the tyrants, the freedom-fighters become the dictators. The man who shouts for equality in one decade purges, in the next decade, those who shout against him...........................
................................................................................................................................................Again and again, while researching this book, I was reminded of the words of Alexander Solzhenitsyn, who spent eleven years in the labor camps of the Soviet Union, and who, when he became powerless, finally understood that revolution never brings on end to oppression. Solzhenitsyn wrote, "In the intoxication of youthful successes. I had felt myself to be infallible, and I was therefore cruel. In the surfeit of power I was a murderer and an oppressor.....And it was only when I lay there on rotting prison straw that I sensed within myself the first stirrings of good... Even in the best of hearts there remains...an un uprooted small corner of evil. Since then I have come to understand the truth of all the religions of the world; They struggle with the evil inside a human being...And since that time I have come to understand the falsehood of all the revolutions in history; They destroy only those carriers of evil contemporary with them"
Revolution shatters the structures; but the men who build the next set of structures haven't conquered the evil that lives in their own hearts. The history of twentieth century is, again and again, the story of men who fight against tyrants, win the battle, and then are overwhelmed by the unconquered tyranny in their own souls.
This is an excerpt from a book... I love this particular piece and maybe it isn't the kind of thing that belongs here, Papa feel free to take it down if you don't think it should be on this site. I am not really sure if it is the kind of thing you like discussing here or not? No harm intended. Ok
Note that I am starting this somewhere in the middle... most of the beginning has to do with recommendations as to how and when to use this particular book in a homeschool setting... So, It may sound a little strange.. but i think you will get the gist of the particular words in this that I have found so fascinating... and thought they may be appropriate here .... Maybe a thought for all to discuss.. I really found this to be peaceful to my soul... and very true indeed... I am not well read or educated so I also thought someone here with more knowledge of "history" may also be able to enlighten me more on the story of who Alexander Solzhenitsyn was... I kind of have a pretty good idea in my mind of who and what period of time this is referring too.. But, I may find out from some of you that my idea may be wrong... Anyhow, here it is.
This passage is from The Story of the World... Vol.4 The Modern Age By Susan Wise Bauer.... From the Forword of the book...
_____________________________________________________________________
Despite their violent nature, I don't think these events should be ignored by parents of young children. A fourth grader hears the news on the car radio, on the TV, or in the conversation of his elders. He hears the words ("terrorism") and senses the worry of the adults around him. A fourth or fifth grader who has a vague idea of what is going on in the world deserves to be started on the path to understanding. The shape of the world today is not random; it has been formed by a very definite pattern of happenings. To deny a child an understanding of that pattern is truly to doom a child to fear, because war, unrest, and violence appear totally random.
Even in this book, violence is not random. It is alarming, but not random. As you read, you will see, again and again, The same pattern acted out: A person or a group of people rejects injustice by rebelling and seizing the reins of power. As soon as those reins are in the hands of the rebels, the rebels become the establishment, the victims become the tyrants, the freedom-fighters become the dictators. The man who shouts for equality in one decade purges, in the next decade, those who shout against him...........................
................................................................................................................................................Again and again, while researching this book, I was reminded of the words of Alexander Solzhenitsyn, who spent eleven years in the labor camps of the Soviet Union, and who, when he became powerless, finally understood that revolution never brings on end to oppression. Solzhenitsyn wrote, "In the intoxication of youthful successes. I had felt myself to be infallible, and I was therefore cruel. In the surfeit of power I was a murderer and an oppressor.....And it was only when I lay there on rotting prison straw that I sensed within myself the first stirrings of good... Even in the best of hearts there remains...an un uprooted small corner of evil. Since then I have come to understand the truth of all the religions of the world; They struggle with the evil inside a human being...And since that time I have come to understand the falsehood of all the revolutions in history; They destroy only those carriers of evil contemporary with them"
Revolution shatters the structures; but the men who build the next set of structures haven't conquered the evil that lives in their own hearts. The history of twentieth century is, again and again, the story of men who fight against tyrants, win the battle, and then are overwhelmed by the unconquered tyranny in their own souls.
Um, I'm not sure what your point is?
Educate kids? Pacifist?
I'm not sure what the point is either.
I'm probably the only one on here with kids still at home, and I talk to my kids about current events. Can't say that terrorism ever worried or scared me (aside from 9-11 and my son was an toddler at the time, I had to turn it off and take him to the park to stop crying).
Kids not only hear about war, but actually go through it, so I never thought war as something to protect my kids from. Made both kids read All Quiet on the Western Front aloud for me.
The thing about studying nursing when your kids are little......I told them all about the neurochemistry of the brain and how it can be permanently wired differently due to stress. I also keep telling them that one day they'll probably take drugs.....while they keep telling me that they probably won't. I'm still betting I'll be right, but who knows. I keep telling them that drugs are addicting because they work so great short term, but long term change chemistry and make things harder. I've tried to help them understand why people (okay dad's girlfriend Ramona drink (or take drugs)), and why she committed suicide. I didn't want them condemning her. Nor did I ever want them to feel guilty for being glad that she was dead (umm, no love lost.....long story).
In any case, I've come to the conclusion that mental health is all about having a grab bag of coping methods. None of which is the total answer.
And I think that when people have nothing to lose, they don't care about losing everything. They don't care if their country goes to war. And they're willing to join a group (gang, ISIS, fraternity, the Army, whatever) be it positive or negative just to try to find an identity and somewhere to belong.
Maybe (big maybe) if we focus on the phyche after wars, it'll do more for peace. But that's a huge guess. No one that I know of has tried.
You say freedom from religion.... boo hoo.... How in the world do you find the strength to LIVE and Thrive in a Free nation... If you are going to turn it into my freedom... and ability to "live up to my potential" is based on the notion that my poor little self esteem is wounded because you believe something I don't! So, therefore you find an argument based on ahem "what is moral" according to your Secular Superior Humanist "beliefs" and now try to make those "beliefs" the LAW of the land... Because that is what you are doing.... Trying to use the courts to make this country "free from religion" and you are succeeding.... In California it is already illegal to homeschool children... go see why..
So sad to see how our education system seems to have succeeded in the complete dumbing down of American society.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn has a real "message" here, but not to me.... I have to take my member ship down on here, because it would be against my integrity as a human being to go along with any of this "charade" any longer.. Sad State of affairs, when there is nothing more to offer that out right shaming and bullying.... Is that truly all you have to offer here?
So I wish I could wish this site well,,,,, But I can't.... I strongly believe in the separation of church and state... and you are not fooling me one little bit.
I'm pretty sure that no one on here ever said that Humanists are "superior". I can't say that I know all that much about them. I did read a Humanistic magazine about....25 years ago. I only remember because it was about Rodnenberry (sp?) who did Star Trek, and I was a Star Trek fan.
Personally, I felt a HUGE sense of relief after I gave up religion. I had loved church before that, and only gave it up reluctantly. But not believing in the theology, I was a liar in church saying that I did. That alone didn't "give me strength", but I did get strength, and it wasn't through church.
As far as homeschooling goes. I'm a huge fan. One of my son's best friends is homeschooled. And if I could I'd do it myself.
I watched another of his friends for a week when the boy was about 6. It was a great experience for my kids. Zach's family always said grace before meals, so we continued that here. My kids could participate if they wanted, but were to sit quietly if they didn't. (Zach was a bit delayed, he loved being the leader for 2 minutes (there were 6 kids at his home). And my kids learned about respecting other people's beliefs.)
In any case, I'm not about shaming anyone.
As far as I'm concerned, it's fine if you go, and fine if you stay. I wish you only the best.