Divorce after Twenty years together Community Group
I want to start something for those of us that were married for a long long time. I think that we face a little different issues than those who were dating for a few years or even married for shorter period of time. Being married for so long we have older children some have grandkids dealing with teenagers and their reaction to the divorice empty nesters dating after 40...
When we were first married, we went to live overseas. I wasn't permitted to work while we were there, so I took leave without pay from my job. My ex refused to allow me enough cash (no credit cards in those days!) to do anything on my own. I had to start an account at the local grocery store so that I could buy groceries. I met other women who invited me to play sport, go shopping and go to the movies, but I couldn't do any of those things because I had no cash. Eventually, one of the couples we befriended talked to my ex on my behalf, and things improved.
He was always extremely ikey about money, and would insist that I was wasting money. At one stage, I did up a table which showed that if anyone was spending too much money, it was him!! All on bikes and his interests outside the home!! He stopped accusing me but he didn't allow me any more money to spend and he kept spending as much as he liked without discussing it with me.
When I was in hospital with my very sick 7mth old son, my ex bought an investment house without telling me anything until he presented me with a contract to be signed. I guess I should be grateful my name was included! Not only was I not included in the purchase, but what was he thinking, buying a house when we had a very sick little boy?!
Over the years, he regularly bought whatever vehicles he liked without discussing the finances with me, and yet when I wanted to buy new household appliances and needed a new sewing machine, I had to prove how I needed them and he would make me wait 'until it suited financially'.
Back in the late 1980s, some friends of ours were divorced and he told me he was horrified that the wife had demanded so much money in the settlement. He actually said that he would hate that to happen to him! He said that to me!! Wouldn't it be more normal for him to say he wouldn't like us to get divorced, that he'd hate to lose me?
Well, I can tell you, it gave me great pleasure to take as much money as I could get when we divorced. It was obvious that he loved his money more than anything else, including me. As I've said here before, he cheated on values, dragged things out, and did his best to prevent me getting the 50% I was entitled to. His comment? "You only need x amount" with a total disregard for my contribution to our income for all those years. He always saw the money as his.
Finally, my mother sat me down and said, "You make a good salary. Why are you allowing him to dictate how much or when you can spend?" My mother rarely interfered, so when she did, I knew I needed to really think about it.
I finally totally changed when he had the first affair that resulted in the pregnancy. I saw hundreds of dollars leaving our home each month in support of the child. I told him then he would never again tell me how or when to spend money--that because of his irresponsibility, so much money was leaving our home. He didn't like this, and still made a stink when I would spend (he would criticize in front of friends, etc., all part of verbal abuse), but I simply ignored him. I realized in that moment how crucial it was for me to get my master's degree in teaching so I could maintain financial independence (he also bitched about this too).
I try to stress to my female students the importance of having a good job so they have financial independence. Divorcing my ex would have been ten times more difficult if I hadn't been on equal financial footing and I would be at his mercy with alimony, which I'm so glad I don't have to deal with. He never paid one temporary spousal support check on time, so that gave me a picture of what alimony would be like with him.
In the area I'm from, I still see so many women who do not have financial equality in the household, and many of them are trapped in terrible marriages. The best thing we can teach young women is how to be financially independent.
Good article, GoldenGirl. It really provides for great discussion.
I could not agree more with this statement. I'm thankful that I have the chancre to teach my 20-year-old daughter that. I am learning about finances - for the first time - and I'm how old? Late 50s. Incredible. But the guys in my life always handled that and I was thankful for it because I hate doing it. Math has never been my thing, just don't understand it. I'm a creative type, an artist. But now, painfully, I see how important it is, made a big mistake letting my husband take control over it. Just didn't know how quietly he was using money and my lack of information to manipulate and control me. So, now I do. Do you all see now why I am attracted to the lump sum? To break free, to get away from him financially forever. To finally be at peace.
she's been draining cash for a long time, i never saw it, i never looked as I trusted
abuse can come wrapped and hidden in "sugar, spice, and every thing nice"
Unfortunately, he brainwashed me into believing that I had no money sense and it has taken me a long time to not fear being totally in charge of my finances.
I negotiated some serious bucks alimony for 6 years post-divorce, but I never saw that as being financially dependent upon him. In fact, I saw it as SEVERANCE PAY. He "fired" me from the marriage and thought I should just walk away happy. Didn't happen. He was only two days late ONE TIME and, in the end, he paid me a month too much (he will NEVER hear about that). I just laughed all the way to the bank.
Mothers: Teach your children well! Especially your female children! Long gone are the days of being "taken care of" by a man. I will never EVER give over control of my finances to someone else!
Equally important, is knowing what marriage is. Yes, we may go into marriage with passion and emotions, but marriage operates legally and is treated as a business entity. It has rights, power, and rules of authority. It's why I love Suze Orman's approach bringing awareness to women needing to reclaim their power and veto. Although "women's liberation" were in the works , it somehow lagged in signifying women's comprehension of BEING a full partner in the marital business of marriage. One often relinquished their rights from misguidance.