Divorce after Twenty years together Community Group
I want to start something for those of us that were married for a long long time. I think that we face a little different issues than those who were dating for a few years or even married for shorter period of time. Being married for so long we have older children some have grandkids dealing with teenagers and their reaction to the divorice empty nesters dating after 40...
CowgirlKathi
Hi again, peeps! I just received an online newsletter from another support group that I visit once in awhile (firstwivesworld.com) and the following article spoke to me in a way that few others have. I have copied it here in its entirety and hope that you all will benefit from it as much as I have on this dreary November afternoon!
SEVEN SPIRITUAL PRINCIPLES TO HELP YOU NAVIGATE DIVORCE
( Preventing divorce from affecting your spirituality)
Posted to Resource Articles by Jeffrey Gurian on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 10:22am
The experience of divorce can have a stunting effect on the spiritual growth of even the most resilient woman. But this happens because we do just that — we let divorce control us, our spiritual state and equilibrium, when the key is to turn the tables and use your spirituality to control your divorce, or, more specifically, to control how you respond to the events that unfold before you while navigating your way through divorce.
First, a quick word on the meaning of "Spirituality" so that no one confuses this with some type of religious statement. Religion can be a wonderful thing for some people, but just by naming it, it puts you into a specific category, which automatically puts other people outside of that category, if they happen not to share your religious beliefs.
Spirituality is simply the willingness to be open to the concept that there are forces at work in this world that are beyond our comprehension. Some people refer to those forces as Nature, The Universe, or God. It doesn't matter what you call it, as long as you know it isn't you, because it's when you think that you are running your own life, and that it's up to you to make everything work out perfectly, you are setting yourself up for stress-related illness and Depression.
As it pertains to divorce, which is one of the more stressful life stages a person can experience, here are several key Spiritual principles that will help you keep a healthier mind and spirit through divorce:
People are put in your path for a reason. You never meet anyone by accident.
You never made a mistake in your life. It was all a learning experience, even if the lesson was just that you could learn what you do NOT want in your life.
Not everyone is meant to be in your life forever. Some people are only meant to be in your life for a certain amount of time, until you both learn what you need to learn.
The concepts of "Good" and "Bad" are very subjective, and when you are in the midst of the "bad" you are not able to see the possibility of good coming out of it in the future. i.e My own divorce was very painful to me, because I had two little girls that I loved with all my heart. But my ex-wife re-married, and had three more children. One was her own, and two were adopted. Those two children needed to be adopted, and the little girl she had needed to be born, and that could not have happened had I still been there. I had to leave in order for that to happen, and for her to find someone to love her the way she needed to be loved.
Gratitude is a very important Spiritual principle. I am very grateful to my ex-wife for allowing me to have the experience of being married of and of having children. If it was not for her DNA, I could never have had those particular children who are so dear to me, and make my life amazing. I might have had other children, or maybe I would never have had children, but I certainly could have never had THOSE children.
Anger and Resentment go along with Self-Pity as being some of the most damaging feelings we can experience. Anger and Resentment are like you taking poison and then expecting the other person to die. This only hurts you. The other person is probably not thinking about you at all. Don't give your power away like that!
Do the next right thing. Live up to your responsibilities, and people will come to respect you, and eventually forgive you.
Using these principles in my life, I wound up with a big extended family where everyone gets along, and we can all share important occasions together, like Mother's Day, Father's Day, and religious holidays. For example, I go to Temple with my ex-wife and my daughters. When my Dad was terminally ill in the hospital, my ex-wife visited him with her new children.
So much healing has occurred in my life as a result of incorporating these Spiritual principles into my thinking, and for that I am eternally grateful.
SEVEN SPIRITUAL PRINCIPLES TO HELP YOU NAVIGATE DIVORCE
( Preventing divorce from affecting your spirituality)
Posted to Resource Articles by Jeffrey Gurian on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 10:22am
The experience of divorce can have a stunting effect on the spiritual growth of even the most resilient woman. But this happens because we do just that — we let divorce control us, our spiritual state and equilibrium, when the key is to turn the tables and use your spirituality to control your divorce, or, more specifically, to control how you respond to the events that unfold before you while navigating your way through divorce.
First, a quick word on the meaning of "Spirituality" so that no one confuses this with some type of religious statement. Religion can be a wonderful thing for some people, but just by naming it, it puts you into a specific category, which automatically puts other people outside of that category, if they happen not to share your religious beliefs.
Spirituality is simply the willingness to be open to the concept that there are forces at work in this world that are beyond our comprehension. Some people refer to those forces as Nature, The Universe, or God. It doesn't matter what you call it, as long as you know it isn't you, because it's when you think that you are running your own life, and that it's up to you to make everything work out perfectly, you are setting yourself up for stress-related illness and Depression.
As it pertains to divorce, which is one of the more stressful life stages a person can experience, here are several key Spiritual principles that will help you keep a healthier mind and spirit through divorce:
People are put in your path for a reason. You never meet anyone by accident.
You never made a mistake in your life. It was all a learning experience, even if the lesson was just that you could learn what you do NOT want in your life.
Not everyone is meant to be in your life forever. Some people are only meant to be in your life for a certain amount of time, until you both learn what you need to learn.
The concepts of "Good" and "Bad" are very subjective, and when you are in the midst of the "bad" you are not able to see the possibility of good coming out of it in the future. i.e My own divorce was very painful to me, because I had two little girls that I loved with all my heart. But my ex-wife re-married, and had three more children. One was her own, and two were adopted. Those two children needed to be adopted, and the little girl she had needed to be born, and that could not have happened had I still been there. I had to leave in order for that to happen, and for her to find someone to love her the way she needed to be loved.
Gratitude is a very important Spiritual principle. I am very grateful to my ex-wife for allowing me to have the experience of being married of and of having children. If it was not for her DNA, I could never have had those particular children who are so dear to me, and make my life amazing. I might have had other children, or maybe I would never have had children, but I certainly could have never had THOSE children.
Anger and Resentment go along with Self-Pity as being some of the most damaging feelings we can experience. Anger and Resentment are like you taking poison and then expecting the other person to die. This only hurts you. The other person is probably not thinking about you at all. Don't give your power away like that!
Do the next right thing. Live up to your responsibilities, and people will come to respect you, and eventually forgive you.
Using these principles in my life, I wound up with a big extended family where everyone gets along, and we can all share important occasions together, like Mother's Day, Father's Day, and religious holidays. For example, I go to Temple with my ex-wife and my daughters. When my Dad was terminally ill in the hospital, my ex-wife visited him with her new children.
So much healing has occurred in my life as a result of incorporating these Spiritual principles into my thinking, and for that I am eternally grateful.
Talk to you in person tomorrow evening! Can't wait to see you again!
We had a good life and he chose to take a different path. I'm now free to see just how far I can get on my own. This gives me much more to think about and let me get out what I have not always been able to say.Thanks for posting this.
Applying the principles is NOT a quick fix -- there is no quick fix when you find yourself on the receiving end of betrayal (trust me, I know this all too well)-- but provide a guideline for maintaining your sense of peace and an understanding of the ways of the universe and how to maintain (or get back) a sense of harmony with it.
In my personal journey, I learned that I HAD TO FORGIVE MYSELF before I could begin to forgive the X and all the people who hurt me during my own 18 Months of Hell. I also learned that I hurt myself a lot -- beating myself up with the "what did I do wrong" and "how could he do this to me" kind of thinking. And in time, I came to realize that he was just in my life for a reason. Once that reason had been realized, it was time for me to go on to something different. While I railed against the change and the pain of it all, now I can clearly see that the "something different" was indeed the promised "something wonderful." I just had to struggle through all the stages of grief to begin to see it.
Again, it takes time to reach the point of objectivity when looking at the changes that have occurred in your life. But trust me, that change will come and at some point, you will say to yourself "Wow! What a long strange trip THAT has been!" and give the past very little thought.
Oh WOW!
It's so true, but It's a hard one! I think we all think or have thought that by hating that person with a passion is somehow going to hurt them. Hey we couldn't help it/can't help it - we're human. Then you add to the mix the personalities of these people - it's like water off a duck's back anyhow. So as hard as the lesson is....we all have to get with the plan. Powerful words.
Ta CowgirlKathi for that jewel!
Well, I think my anger and resentment are here for a reason! I don't expect to have a nice happy extended family in the future, unless it's with my new man's family - definitely not with my X and his whore.
Sometimes, what someone does to you can be so bad that forgiveness isn't warranted. And I know that forgiveness is for yourself. I forgive myself -but I do not forgive him. And, from where I sit right now - I don't really know if I ever will. I may forgive, but I will NEVER forget...
I really dont think its that far of a stretch...especially with the help we get here...to someday get to where the writer of these principals is at. Although he seems to be much farther down the recovery road than most of us...we already see examples of that from our senior members. For me...my daughters common law husband is the second set of kids for his dad. Both parents plus the first wife and there children celebrate all holidays together as one big family. I admire them for being able to do that. Once in a while something gets said but its usually in jest but its enough for everyone to get a bit nervous. But...mostly it works. I would love to heal enough to get to that point. For me...that would be the ultimate.
I think as time goes by and the wounds heal so will the anger and resentment. I think that eventually you will see each other as just people who share the same past and children. Especially if you have moved on in another loving relationship... I think that would help with healing the past. Just my thoughts and hopes for myself...Big Hugs...Kathy
However, with that said, I am asking some of the same questions Jammine, Drtexdi asked about the stage of his divorce and I have the same sediments as dailytech that it is a process or small steps to get to a better picture of me and my ex ever being friends again.
I do think that every relationship is different and like Trisha9054 said about respect, some people don't respect themselves so how can or will they respect your boundaries.
Glad you read and appreciated the article and I also like your "slant" on it -- that is is the alternative to allowing our divorce to frame our lives.
While you are posing some questions with Jammine and DRtexdi asked, this perspective on divorce doesn't happen overnight and everyone is on a different wavelength and schedule. To clarify where I stand on this business about "you and the X ever being friends again" I am not a big believer in that. To me, why in the world would I WANT to be friends with a man who had no respect for me; didn't value me as a person and who broke our marriage vows without ever looking back? I WOULDN'T! Once the trust is gone from a relationship, it can take YEARS or maybe FOREVER for it ever to be rebuilt.
I have absolutely no illusions about ever being "friends" or "friendly" with my X. I can do cordial when necessary, but I do not need or want anything more than that.
Then you go on to talk about how or whether or not they will respect YOUR boundaries. Setting and maintaining YOUR boundaries is entirely UP TO YOU. You have to be the one to set them and keep them, no matter what that requires. Explaining a necessary boundary WEAKENS IT. You just state your case mentally and if the person starts to "work on you" about it, you just IGNORE THEM. Refuse to engage them or to be engaged in any kind of conversation, email or text volley. DEAFENING SILENCE is a boundary of its own and it works.