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Noah The DISHONORED PARENT Biblical Family Strife
scrivener
We all know THIS commandment (quote)
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy. 12"Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the LORD your God gives you. 13"You shall not murder.…
Yesterday I read an article that this is a two-parter. As CHILDREN offspring is supposed to OBEY parents. As adults they no longer have to exactingly obey but must HONOR. And in this article it was pointed out that this is a commandment that has a promise attached - that children who do so as adults with live long and do well.
In reading back-history about Patriarchs, there was certainly family disharmony. I found this online article on Charisma Magazine's website about Noah as a parent being dishonored and a curse placed upon his grandson...something I would not think the one chosen to save the seed of Adamic Humanity from destruction via the flood, would have done lightly.
Below the opening paragraphs of the Charisma Article:
In the second weekly reading of the Torah, Noach (Noah), we meet a man of God building an ark at his Master's direction. This ark, built in a dry desert must have seemed so strange to the neighbors. "Hey, look at that nut, Noah; his god told him to build a huge boat, far from water, and he is doing just that. How odd, they must have thought. But Noah persisted because he was "righteous, wholehearted and walked with God."
Yet, as godly as this man was, one of his sons didn't inherit much of that spirit. In fact, Ham, one of three sons, was cursed through his son, Canaan. What would cause a godly man like Noah to curse the descendents of one of his own sons, his actual grandchildren? Did he have a bad temper? Was he given to fits of anger? Was he just hung over from his drinking bout the night before? All this might be possible, but there's a greater meaning to this curse.
The three sons of Noah were called to repopulate the earth after the Flood. What an awesome responsibility. They just literally saw humanity wiped out. Their lives were spared. And now they are asked to bring humanity back in to existence, per instructions from Above. But something went wrong.
Noah, after harvesting his grapes, got drunk, the Torah says. These grapes must have had time to ferment, so this was probably some time after the rainbow, the sign of God's promise to never destroy humanity again by flood. There must have been time for Noah to teach his sons the ways of the God with whom he walked, so there was no excuse for what happened.
Noah was apparently so drunk that he "lay uncovered in his tent." When Ham saw this, he went to get his brothers, obviously making fun of dear old dad. This demonstrated lack of respect for his father, whereas, the two other brothers covered their father by "walking backward, so they did not see their father lying there shamefully exposed."
As a consequence of Ham's actions, Noah, knowing what had happened, placed a horrendous curse, not on Ham, but on Ham's descendent, Canaan. Why was this so serious that generations into the future would bear this curse? It's sort of like what happened to Ananias and Sapphira.
These two new believers (Acts 5:1-11) said they had sold property to contribute to the welfare of their Messianic community, but they held back some of the money for themselves, thus lying to the Holy Spirit. Their little "white lie" was met with a very serious response. They both died!
Just as God was warning his first Messianic community (aka the "church) to be as pure as possible as they rebuilt Israel, spiritually, so too was God making a statement to the people who were going to rebuild humanity. What was that statement? Essentially, it was the Fifth Commandment: "Honor your father and mother, so that you may live long in the land which ADONAI your God is giving to you."
In order to begin this new humanity in a way that would lead it away from the sin of the Tower of Babel and other debauchery, through this judgment upon Noah's son, Canann, God was once also establishing his structure for success-parents are to be honored by their children.
(Go to link to read further.)
http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/standing-with-israel/47652
Like John the Baptist Noah was marked for the Lord in his mother's womb. Noah the baby was so unusual that his father, Lamech was a bit frightened and went to consult with his father, Methusaleh, to whom he unburdened his fears and concerns and he was assured it was all right. It seems Lamech was so concerned he considered doing away with the new babe, thinking it a monster like so many who inhabited the pre-flood world.
The Old Testament and especially the Lost Books are filled to the brim with family relationship problems. When Abram was born his father Terah's buddies hovered around to be with him during the labor and birth, and what they saw scared them. They'd been going to keep their own counsel and not talk about the unusual birth but decided if the King found out they knew they might be executed.
So they blabbed.
Terah was ordered to give the baby to the King to be killed...on par with Herod's later action. But Terah pulled a snooker and he took to the King a son born to one of Terah's concubines that filled the bill and Abram lived but was sent off to live with Methusaleh and Lamech (I think) to be tutored in the ways of the Lord.
Meanwhile Terah married a strange woman, he adopted and adapted his strange wife's new gods, and Terah fashioned quite a house collection of gods from wood and stone, etc. Abram actually ended up DESTROYING his father's false gods and giving him what-for for falling away from belief of his fathers. Terah was ready to have Abram put to death, the King learned about the bait and switch baby and THAT is how Abram was told to LEAVE UR. Apparently Terah still cared enough about his kid he said LEAVE NOW!!
As I read the family wranglngs of yore I think: "And why do I expect smooth sailing with my kids? THESE were Patriarchs...!"
There's a thread here about what to do about gift giving. Well, I now have my marching orders. I'd been going to go ahead and do it. BUT I've read further expansion of Esau and Jacob's sibling rivarry diffficulties and how Esau constantly wanted to kill Jacob, and Jacob when encounters took place, tried to quell Esau with massive and lavish gifts and proclamations of love for his brother.
The gifts were accepted. Then it was back to biz as usual as Esau and his lineage born Jacob will unto the point of desiring his murder. So I'm not going to "gift" this year and have it accepted and then deal with same old same old hatreds.
And the twin's parents were GRIEVED...but...(gee) powerless over it even as they begged them to get along.
Can We Say: "Nothing New Under The Sun"?? It has helped me A LOT to assimilate it happened THEN as we deal with it NOW.
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy. 12"Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the LORD your God gives you. 13"You shall not murder.…
Yesterday I read an article that this is a two-parter. As CHILDREN offspring is supposed to OBEY parents. As adults they no longer have to exactingly obey but must HONOR. And in this article it was pointed out that this is a commandment that has a promise attached - that children who do so as adults with live long and do well.
In reading back-history about Patriarchs, there was certainly family disharmony. I found this online article on Charisma Magazine's website about Noah as a parent being dishonored and a curse placed upon his grandson...something I would not think the one chosen to save the seed of Adamic Humanity from destruction via the flood, would have done lightly.
Below the opening paragraphs of the Charisma Article:
In the second weekly reading of the Torah, Noach (Noah), we meet a man of God building an ark at his Master's direction. This ark, built in a dry desert must have seemed so strange to the neighbors. "Hey, look at that nut, Noah; his god told him to build a huge boat, far from water, and he is doing just that. How odd, they must have thought. But Noah persisted because he was "righteous, wholehearted and walked with God."
Yet, as godly as this man was, one of his sons didn't inherit much of that spirit. In fact, Ham, one of three sons, was cursed through his son, Canaan. What would cause a godly man like Noah to curse the descendents of one of his own sons, his actual grandchildren? Did he have a bad temper? Was he given to fits of anger? Was he just hung over from his drinking bout the night before? All this might be possible, but there's a greater meaning to this curse.
The three sons of Noah were called to repopulate the earth after the Flood. What an awesome responsibility. They just literally saw humanity wiped out. Their lives were spared. And now they are asked to bring humanity back in to existence, per instructions from Above. But something went wrong.
Noah, after harvesting his grapes, got drunk, the Torah says. These grapes must have had time to ferment, so this was probably some time after the rainbow, the sign of God's promise to never destroy humanity again by flood. There must have been time for Noah to teach his sons the ways of the God with whom he walked, so there was no excuse for what happened.
Noah was apparently so drunk that he "lay uncovered in his tent." When Ham saw this, he went to get his brothers, obviously making fun of dear old dad. This demonstrated lack of respect for his father, whereas, the two other brothers covered their father by "walking backward, so they did not see their father lying there shamefully exposed."
As a consequence of Ham's actions, Noah, knowing what had happened, placed a horrendous curse, not on Ham, but on Ham's descendent, Canaan. Why was this so serious that generations into the future would bear this curse? It's sort of like what happened to Ananias and Sapphira.
These two new believers (Acts 5:1-11) said they had sold property to contribute to the welfare of their Messianic community, but they held back some of the money for themselves, thus lying to the Holy Spirit. Their little "white lie" was met with a very serious response. They both died!
Just as God was warning his first Messianic community (aka the "church) to be as pure as possible as they rebuilt Israel, spiritually, so too was God making a statement to the people who were going to rebuild humanity. What was that statement? Essentially, it was the Fifth Commandment: "Honor your father and mother, so that you may live long in the land which ADONAI your God is giving to you."
In order to begin this new humanity in a way that would lead it away from the sin of the Tower of Babel and other debauchery, through this judgment upon Noah's son, Canann, God was once also establishing his structure for success-parents are to be honored by their children.
(Go to link to read further.)
http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/standing-with-israel/47652
Like John the Baptist Noah was marked for the Lord in his mother's womb. Noah the baby was so unusual that his father, Lamech was a bit frightened and went to consult with his father, Methusaleh, to whom he unburdened his fears and concerns and he was assured it was all right. It seems Lamech was so concerned he considered doing away with the new babe, thinking it a monster like so many who inhabited the pre-flood world.
The Old Testament and especially the Lost Books are filled to the brim with family relationship problems. When Abram was born his father Terah's buddies hovered around to be with him during the labor and birth, and what they saw scared them. They'd been going to keep their own counsel and not talk about the unusual birth but decided if the King found out they knew they might be executed.
So they blabbed.
Terah was ordered to give the baby to the King to be killed...on par with Herod's later action. But Terah pulled a snooker and he took to the King a son born to one of Terah's concubines that filled the bill and Abram lived but was sent off to live with Methusaleh and Lamech (I think) to be tutored in the ways of the Lord.
Meanwhile Terah married a strange woman, he adopted and adapted his strange wife's new gods, and Terah fashioned quite a house collection of gods from wood and stone, etc. Abram actually ended up DESTROYING his father's false gods and giving him what-for for falling away from belief of his fathers. Terah was ready to have Abram put to death, the King learned about the bait and switch baby and THAT is how Abram was told to LEAVE UR. Apparently Terah still cared enough about his kid he said LEAVE NOW!!
As I read the family wranglngs of yore I think: "And why do I expect smooth sailing with my kids? THESE were Patriarchs...!"
There's a thread here about what to do about gift giving. Well, I now have my marching orders. I'd been going to go ahead and do it. BUT I've read further expansion of Esau and Jacob's sibling rivarry diffficulties and how Esau constantly wanted to kill Jacob, and Jacob when encounters took place, tried to quell Esau with massive and lavish gifts and proclamations of love for his brother.
The gifts were accepted. Then it was back to biz as usual as Esau and his lineage born Jacob will unto the point of desiring his murder. So I'm not going to "gift" this year and have it accepted and then deal with same old same old hatreds.
And the twin's parents were GRIEVED...but...(gee) powerless over it even as they begged them to get along.
Can We Say: "Nothing New Under The Sun"?? It has helped me A LOT to assimilate it happened THEN as we deal with it NOW.
lindajoan
Absolutely. Honoring parents is a command of God not a suggestion. It is not a grey area in God's Word.
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