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myblvdofdreams
I would like some insight into your feelings for your spouse during your affair. Some background on me, I am 27 years old,as is my husband, and we have been married 9 years. We have survived several years apart due to military deployments and my husband did come home with some war issues. We have always been best friends and really close. The past 8 months have really been lifechanging for us, as we moved to Texas, bought our first home and settled into our new life here. My husband was on cloud 9, starting school to become an Army Physician Assistant and making friends, really feeling great. Then a few months in he had a heavy panic attack that led to a possible seizure and his dreams were put on hold. His purpose was taken away as he was to only report to work in the morning and then go home and sit and wait for me to come home. During this time my job was demanding, so he felt neglected. It only took a few months, but he started pushing friends and family away, and started spending money like crazy. I was hopeful when by the last week of December he said his friends wanted him to go camping, I was happy for him to have friends so it wasn't a red flag to me. Well it only took a week for to find out that those friends were actual a friend who is a girl. He created a dating profile, although he put only looking for friendship, and opened himself up to this situation. He found someone, and when I told her he was married she was devastated- even though it had only been a week. He felt like he owed it to her to tell her in person he was married and end it, this was on our 9 year wedding anniversary. We held eachother for 2 whole days after dday- him telling me how sorry he was and what a low he had come to in his life, I was optimistic. Then came his wanting to tell her it was over, in person. I didn't like the idea, but knew he would do it anyway. He felt like she would not date a married man, but she proved him wrong when she made him an offer he couldn't refuse--- telling him you cannot deny there is something here, we owe it to ourselves to see where this goes. And that night he left our home to "sleep on her couch" and the affair because a full fledge, sexual and emotional affair and it continues. We are almost at three months. About three weeks into the affair, the OW noticed he was telling me he still loved me via text, and she demanded that he divorce me and be with her. Well, he didn't divorce me- he just changed his routine. Now, I am the OW- in a sense. He sleeps at her place, only takes a duffle bag- but as soon as she is at work, he is by my side. She doesn't drive- so he takes her to work and picks her up, and is spending money on her, and things are moving quickly. At the same time he comes home to me-- tells me I am his best friend and confides in things that bother him about her (she is a serial dater, thrives on attention, and knows how to keep a man's attention), and also tells me he isn't ready to close our door, that he can never let me go, that he will always love me, that no one will ever have him like I have him and that he will always need me. I do think he is being honest with me-- he feels like the OW saved his life because he was going to kill himself. But I think it was the distraction the affair offered, or the pursuit or a new person offered, that saved him. We are eachother's first, we do have a love and connection that I don't feel like I will ever find again. But I get criticized often for standing beside him. I don't really know what we are-- he comes around and is nice to me, holds my hand, and kisses me, even takes showers with me-- we used to be intimate, but lately we haven't been in a month. He lets me talk about how I feel, but if I am overly emotional it is too much for him to deal. He doesn't want to have disagreements, he just wants to come and enjoy my company. Part of me wishes he would just walk away from me and tell me he doesn't love me anymore, so I can move on, even though truly I would rather him come back to me and work on us. Part of me fears that if I push him away, and go no contact, I will be pushing him closer to the other woman. But at the same time, its like he is getting his cake and eating it too right? I told him this- and he didn't understand. I said when you are with her you get your needs met, and then you run to me to get whatever needs she didn't meet, so you are happy. And he said no, she is so controlling that the only time I can do what I want is when she is at work and that is my me time. Its confusing, and I don't even know if you made it this far. He isn't hiding the affair, he is being honest as much as he can be, but its the weirdest place to be- ever. I do wish it were over, the affair- and I found out about it afterwards, but I am not so lucky. So for the cheating spouse-- when you had the other person- did you still have feelings for your spouse, did you miss them and love them? Or when you are having an affair is the only person that matters the other person? There is no real benefit for my husband to play me-- as in, we don't have children, only dogs, we both contribute the same to the household, so it would be a 50/50 split-- so it doesn't make sense to me that he would play me. I do think he is honest, when he says he is conflicted. That he loves me, but he loves her differently than me. I even asked him if he was still in love with me and he said yes. He is honest, even if I don't like the answer, when I ask him things. He even told me that he feels like Bruce Wayne and Batman-- when he is with me he is Bruce Wayne then when he is with her he is batman. (umm, can you have a midlife crisis at age 27?). Or is this him saying he has a double life? When he is around me, I have hope that down the road we can reconcile, but right now he is not willing to give up the OW, and perhaps I am blind and should just realize his actions are telling me everything. Sorry So long !!
Becca
Becca
Really, you sound like you are in shock to me. I know I would be. Be careful not to put that weight back on... many do after a drastic and quick weight loss b/c of emotional trauma.
You will for sure get tired of this. You seem close to "done". Do you have children?
"On an infidelity thread Pink Pony asked How the CS managed to pull off cheating. Being able to do that to someone you say you love. Good question. I have actually put a lot of thought into that for myself. I will attempt an answer.
I believe our subconscious mind works very very hard to give us what we want even if we know consciously that this is really not what we want. Even if what we want is really bad for us and we know it. Like that battle in the mind over dessert when we are trying to lose weight. Do you notice how hard your mind works to give you that dessert? How about a half a piece? Just a bite? This instead because it has less calories and more fiber? Yes, our mind works hard to make us happy even if it is working against us. Even if it will destroy us. When addiction is involved it only gives strength to the battle.
So it begins, whatever it is that entices us and begins to draw us in. It's flattering or fun, it seems innocent enough but it progresses. Perhaps we try to stop it a few times but the attempt is half hearted because deep down we don't want it to stop. Once it reaches a certain point we start concealing. We wouldn't want our SO to find out what is going on here. It still seems under control. At this point addiction may already be a factor. Maybe we realize this maybe we don't. In my case it was definitely part of it but I was not aware. The addiction was to the adrenaline libido rush.
When the temptation comes to "cross the line" the battle begins in earnest. It's me against myself and the battles are dreadful and painful. Bloody wars, if you will. I don't want this to happen, but yes, I do. I want it to stop but I don't. I can't do this. I don't think I can stop it.
I felt my mind working constantly, trying to convince me, trying to find a way. Reconfiguring my thinking. Building within me the ability to live a double life. Building walls and barriers and blockades. Compartmentalizing, as I've heard it described. I FELT all this happening. I was aware of it. I tried multiple times to stop it. I called the battle the battle of good girl, bad girl. At times I was not sure who was winning.
So many things that were happening to me surprised me. This was all very new territory. I would NEVER EVER have considered myself capable of these things. It was very very out of character for me. I am the last person anyone who know me would have ever expected to do such a thing.
Almost from the beginning I had a 180 personality change. It was noticeable. The constant libido, feeling like a teenager. I was happy and energetic. I felt young. All my interests changed. I felt very flirty and man crazy. The battles I mentioned above were not constant. They happened during what I call "moments of clarity." And times when I got scared.
The battles actually increased and got worse as I got closer to "crossing the line" and after the first few times I did cross it. Sometimes when I was alone working I would get very scared about what I was doing. I would feel sick and have near panic attacks. In those times I would call OM or text and "get over it" with my mind still trying to soothe me.
There was a moment, a very specific moment when I gave up the battle. I simply stopped fighting. After that I was about 95 percent into the double life. OM noticed that change. I felt no guilt after that. I just went with it. Bad girl had won. I kept my lives separate after that and did not allow myself to think about what I was doing anymore. I convinced myself that I was doing it. I was keeping both men happy. I was successfully having a spouse and a lover and I loved them both and it would be fine.
To the best I can explain it that is HOW it happened. The mind, I have discovered, is a very complex machine. Reading back over this it kinda looks like I am blaming the mysterious subconscious mind for what happened. Ugh! No! In the end I am responsible. Every part of me. Conscious or subconscious. I am not a victim of anything or anybody. I am now responsible for the hard hard hard work that I am doing to rebuild myself and heal. I am utterly determined. I will never be the same person I was before. I don't want to be.
I know this could be triggery. I am sorry if it was for anyone. I hope it may have helped in some small ways."
Actually, looking it over it only touched on your question so I will say, yes. Through it all I loved him so much. It's weird but I clung to him. I initiated sex with him more and was more loving and affectionate during my A's. I kinda think it was because I was clinging to him for security or a sense of normalcy during all the craziness. I would never have chosen the OM. I never wanted to lose my marriage, but on the flip side I HAD fallen in love with OM and giving him up and going NC was brutally hard for a while. When I was in the A I would frequently say, "I love 2 men. I have 2 lovers." I thought about polygamy and that's how it felt. Reverse gender of course. Hope I said something helpful here.
Okay, so it is what it is. You are in limbo like you said. A holding pattern while you are waiting for your H to wake up. I really get it because you know something will have to give with him at some point and you don't want to close doors as long as there is hope that he will come to his senses and do the right thing. Your patience may well pay off and I would never tell anyone not to follow their heart in matters such as this.
I would advise a few things. If you are religious I'm sure you are praying not only for him to come to his senses but for God be your shield and guide and helper. I would strongly advise you to write to him your true feelings often. Don't hold back your pain and turmoil from him to somehow protect him from pain. Pain is what he has signed up for. He needs to see into your heart and writing is a great way to do that.
I have an idea. Perhaps when you are together you could read aloud a good book. Not sure which to recommend in this situation. You could go to the healing library list at survivinginfidelity.com and do a little research. They also have a bunch of articles there that you can just read that are very helpful. Reading an article or two together might be easier to pull off to start with.
Those are my thoughts for now.
Hang in there
(((hugs)))