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Fellowship Where you can share your thoughts, feelings, stories and get support to gain and continue sobriety.
Fellowship Where you can share your thoughts, feelings, stories and get support to gain and continue sobriety.
1. Do you believe you're powerless over alcohol and that your life has become unmanagable?
2. Do you believe that a power greater than yourself can restore you back to sanity?
3. Are you ready to turn your will and your life over to the care of God as you understand him?
Here is this also on page 60 of the BB:
Our discription of the alcoholic, the chapter the agnostic, and our personal adventures before and after make clear pertinent ideas;
(a) That we were alcoholic and could not manage our own lives.
(b) That probably no human power could have relieved our alcoholism.
(c) That God could and would if He were sought.
After that then they are to take action. Which brings them to step 4, but there is more to the above as there is a prayer that is said that is found on page 63, 2nd paragraph of the BB.
If I've gotten this wrong, someone will come along and fix it. lol. I've not sponsored anyone yet myself, so I'm not quite in gear yet to know if this is where to begin. Been a while sense I was at this beginning point.
Best wishes. Take God as your speaker, and let it come from experience and from your heart! Can't go wrong like that.
Do you have a sponsor? Have you talked with her/him about these questions?
Ok, that was two questions...lol
1. Why do you think you are an alocholic - for me is important that right from the get go they know their truth. If they do not know then I share what makes me an alcoholic and that is "when I put alcohol in me I can not control how much I drink".
2. Do you want to stop drinking or do you just want to moderate. If they are only wanting to moderate then I wish them well and advise them I can not help them to moderate but I am prepared to help them STOP.
3. And this is the biggest one for me "WHAT LENGTHS ARE YOU WILLING TO GO TO, TO GET SOBER". Once they answer any then I say OK we are ready to begin.
Hope this helps, and was what my sponsor asked me.
G8
Billy
Are you ready to go to any lengths to get sober. Look in theirs eyes as they answer.
1. Page 90 - "Wait for the end of the spree, or at least for a lucid interval. Then let his family or a friend ASK HIM IF HE WANTS TO QUIT FOR GOOD AND IF HE WOULD GO TO ANY EXTREME TO DO SO. If he says yes, then his attention should be drawn to you as a person who has recovered. You should be described to him as one of a fellowship who, as part of their own recovery, try to help others and who will be glad to talk to him if he cares to see you."
WAS
2. Page 93 - "If the man be agnostic or atheist, make it emphatic that he does not have to agree with your conception of God. He can choose any conception he likes, provided it makes sense to him. The main thing is that HE BE WILLING TO BELIEVE IN A POWER GREATER THAN HIMSELF and that he live by spiritual principles."
3. Page76 - ". We attempt to sweep away the debris which has accumulated out of our effort to live on self-will and run the show ourselves. If we haven't the will to do this, we ask until it comes. Remember it was agreed at the beginning we WOULD GO TO ANY LENGTHS FOR VICTORY OVER ALCOHOL."
I ask them to buy a hardcover version of the Big Book and then we begin. I explain what I require of people that I sponsor:
1 Arrive on time for all appointments with me
2 Attend my home group as one of their meetings each week where at all possible
3 Do not lie to me.
Then we begin looking at the three fold illness by reading through and discussing Dr's Opinion, Bill's Story, There is a solution, More about alcoholism and We Agnostics. (Not all in one day you understand)
It is vital to establish a clear understanding of the nature of the problem before any solution can or will be applied.
As far as I am concerned my job as a sponsor begins way before Step 3.
Sometimes, when I want to stress the point and they have answered yes to the question, I add. Good. We can hit a couple of more meetings today and I'll pick you up tomorrow morning and we can hits some more three or four more. If they say OK to that, I give them a hug, say I was kidding and give them my phone number. They just might make it.
Two of the motivators for people - are 1) the hope they get from being exposed to the solution to their problem, 2) a clear idea of the exact nature of alcoholism and the true hopelessness of their condition. People are exposed to these things as a result of attending meetings but perhaps mostly from the work with a sponsor on the Drs opinion, There is a solution and More About Alcoholism. How can I expect people to answer questions about what they will do before they understand the problem that they have and the solution to it?
In the past when people were more often effectively 12 stepped a sponsor could reasonably expect that when people were asking for sponsorship they would already have been introduced to the problem and the solution and would be sufficiently in touch with the hopelessness of their situation to clearly see the need to go to any lengths to engage with the solution. However that is not always the case these days and therefore a sponsor may be asking a question about willingness to someone who pretty much doesn't have a clue as to what is going on.
Page 58....If you have decided you want what we have.....Question two....ready for what we have?
Page 58..... are willing to go to any lenght to get it--then you are ready for certain steps....Do you want what we have and are you willing to do anything for it without question or reservation?
At that point you start working with him on Step One starting from page 1 in the Big Book and continue onward from there.
Good luck with a sponsee.
How can someone concede that they are an alcoholic if they have not yet looked at the chapters which help us to understand what an alcoholic is?
How can they know if they want what we have until they have looked at There is a Solution and started to see what it is we have?
I am confused???