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Any relationship in which one partner engages willfully in sexual relations with another outside of the partnership is considered to have experienced infidelity. This breach of trust is often traumatizing for the faithful partner as well as the relationship, and support is often needed to heal emotionally and to decide whether or not the relationship should continue after...

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My h and I are in another argument, and not surprisingly, it's always over the OW or his affair. We never argue about anything else - just this one topic.
Our recent issue is that I came to the realization that he never once stood up to her during their affair, and allowed some truly horrific things to happen. It began to wear on me that she still thinks she calls the shots in all of our lives, and I voiced this concern to him. He's done well with understanding, being very sympathetic, and even came back with the idea that he would write her a "kiss off" letter. I was very impressed about the idea, and he wrote it. It was a very good letter, other than he sounded like a parrot, talking about me the whole time. Not what the affair did to him - but all about me. I felt like he was just trying to win points, rather than being sincere.
But I needed to push him further, so I asked him if he would ever entertain the possibility of standing face to face to her and telling her to f*ck off, once and for all. He became nervous and started throwing out all of these lame excuses for why he wouldn't do it. He doesn't want to spend the money to travel. He doesn't like confrontations. He doesn't want her to ever "see" him again. On and on and on.
I was dumbfounded, and really am worried that he's intimidated by her, like as if he gets around her, he'll fall back into the affair. Now I'm wondering if his hesitation to move back to our home state (where she is) has a lot to do with this, and what this means for me. I was telling him all of this, while trying not to get confrontational, and he came back with, "I'm a non-confrontational person!"
Really? He has no problem confronting me about my crimes, whatever they may be at the time. But he's right - he won't confront his father, whom he has a very love/hate relationship with, he won't confront the OW, who thinks she ruled his life, he won't confront his bosses at work - no one - not his friends, not his family, not one single person... but me.
What does that say for me, then? That I'm some scumbag he could care less about? I'm beginning to really think that all of this - this whole reconciliation - has been about him keeping his children. And he is a good father. And after that, for all that I've done for him; put him back in the good graces with his family, help him with his second career, help him save face to our children, etc. But he only puts out enough effort with me to keep the peace; afterall, I provide a valuable service. I cook for him, care for his home, keep his children, and soon, I'll be making more money than he does in his career, which he'll enjoy spending.
But to go the extra mile for me? He won't. He says all the words in the world, but when I ask him just to entertain the possibility of meeting her head on, looking her in the eye, and telling her to back off - knowing it might finally make her understand she has no place in our lives - he acts like a freak and starts backpeddling.
Am I wrong for asking him to go there? Am I wrong for feeling like I reside at the bottom of the totem pole, as far as those who matter to him?
And more importantly, how do we stop arguing about her, and just focus on our lives? If she doesn't come up, we live a near perfect existence.
I'm sick of fighting, and for the first time, am seriously entertaining the prospect of leaving him - just to stop the arguing. To gain perspective, we argue over this, on average, once every six weeks or so. Lately, it's been more for some reason and I feel like I've regressed like a thousand steps in my healing.
This morning I was so angry - just like in the early days - and I'm sitting in our bedroom trying to garner enough compassion for him to pick up the huge mess I created when I decided to empty all of his drawers out and rip up all of the cards and letters I've ever given him. But another part of me doesn't want to touch it, and let him deal with the consequences of being such a coward.
I just don't know if I'll ever get over the anger, or get over his passive, non-confrontational attitude about us and his history.
Help?
Our recent issue is that I came to the realization that he never once stood up to her during their affair, and allowed some truly horrific things to happen. It began to wear on me that she still thinks she calls the shots in all of our lives, and I voiced this concern to him. He's done well with understanding, being very sympathetic, and even came back with the idea that he would write her a "kiss off" letter. I was very impressed about the idea, and he wrote it. It was a very good letter, other than he sounded like a parrot, talking about me the whole time. Not what the affair did to him - but all about me. I felt like he was just trying to win points, rather than being sincere.
But I needed to push him further, so I asked him if he would ever entertain the possibility of standing face to face to her and telling her to f*ck off, once and for all. He became nervous and started throwing out all of these lame excuses for why he wouldn't do it. He doesn't want to spend the money to travel. He doesn't like confrontations. He doesn't want her to ever "see" him again. On and on and on.
I was dumbfounded, and really am worried that he's intimidated by her, like as if he gets around her, he'll fall back into the affair. Now I'm wondering if his hesitation to move back to our home state (where she is) has a lot to do with this, and what this means for me. I was telling him all of this, while trying not to get confrontational, and he came back with, "I'm a non-confrontational person!"
Really? He has no problem confronting me about my crimes, whatever they may be at the time. But he's right - he won't confront his father, whom he has a very love/hate relationship with, he won't confront the OW, who thinks she ruled his life, he won't confront his bosses at work - no one - not his friends, not his family, not one single person... but me.
What does that say for me, then? That I'm some scumbag he could care less about? I'm beginning to really think that all of this - this whole reconciliation - has been about him keeping his children. And he is a good father. And after that, for all that I've done for him; put him back in the good graces with his family, help him with his second career, help him save face to our children, etc. But he only puts out enough effort with me to keep the peace; afterall, I provide a valuable service. I cook for him, care for his home, keep his children, and soon, I'll be making more money than he does in his career, which he'll enjoy spending.
But to go the extra mile for me? He won't. He says all the words in the world, but when I ask him just to entertain the possibility of meeting her head on, looking her in the eye, and telling her to back off - knowing it might finally make her understand she has no place in our lives - he acts like a freak and starts backpeddling.
Am I wrong for asking him to go there? Am I wrong for feeling like I reside at the bottom of the totem pole, as far as those who matter to him?
And more importantly, how do we stop arguing about her, and just focus on our lives? If she doesn't come up, we live a near perfect existence.
I'm sick of fighting, and for the first time, am seriously entertaining the prospect of leaving him - just to stop the arguing. To gain perspective, we argue over this, on average, once every six weeks or so. Lately, it's been more for some reason and I feel like I've regressed like a thousand steps in my healing.
This morning I was so angry - just like in the early days - and I'm sitting in our bedroom trying to garner enough compassion for him to pick up the huge mess I created when I decided to empty all of his drawers out and rip up all of the cards and letters I've ever given him. But another part of me doesn't want to touch it, and let him deal with the consequences of being such a coward.
I just don't know if I'll ever get over the anger, or get over his passive, non-confrontational attitude about us and his history.
Help?
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That said, I don't think it's healthy for you to view this confrontation as a make-or-break proposition in your marriage. I'm not saying that you are, but to the extent you are, try not to put so much significance on it. It's important, don't get me wrong, but I don't know that it's the kind of thing that you'll want to look at and say "Well, the marriage is irretrievably broken, then," if he doesn't do it.
I can take anything (when it comes to the affair...) and begin to make something bad out of it...
like you.... instead of saying...boy..she must really have meant nothing to him..zero..zilch etc. since he has no interest in ever seeing her again...and hasn't contacted her etc. I too can begin to ruminate...
and start wondering...why can't he see her? is he afraid that he won't be able to resist her if he did... etc. etc.
step back...and think about it... men are really not as complicated as women...they are much more straight forward...
if he says he never wants to see her again because it makes him sick to think about what he did...then..that is probably what he means...
the men who had strong feelings for the OW....followed those feelings..(at least temporarily until they realized what the OW were REALLY like..)
but...those men that were truly infatuated with the OW...di leave their wives for the OW...if only temporarily... they did try to sneak and see them later... trust me...if your husband was harboring any feelings for her..he would not be there with you...and...its not all about the kids...because plenty of men have abandoned their kids for another woman...and...
you have certainly NOT made it easy for him to come home... he has had to deal with alot of discussions etc...all difficult for a non confrontational escapist... so..he has to be plenty motivated to stay and put up with it...
now..what can you do...try to focus on the positives in your life...
try to stay focused on the present..not the past...and not the future...
try to read positive uplifting things...
some Christian books about infidelity and how the couples got through it and have better marriages now...
also..New age authors like Louise Hay...that talks about finding happiness within yourself...through forgiveness.and living in the present moment...
Debbie Ford's books..including Spiritual Divorce...has a lot of things that apply to those of us reconciling after infidelity and trying to find happiness again...
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and another book that has been very helpful..."Praying through the deeper issues of marriage" by S. Omartian....
Frank, my man. You are always so spot on -- am I related to you? Are you missing a sister somewhere? =) Kidding, of course - but what you write about the black and white mentality is SO incredibly true. I'm usually good about reminding myself of that...but not lately.
Maybe I should buy a plant and spend my afternoons pouring my heart out to it, rather than pushing my h to be better and getting us into these STUPID fights.
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THOSE ARE THE CONSEQUENCES...
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NOTHING in there about you and your needs and feelings...
HE HAS TO OWN IT THAT IT IS HIS FEELINGS AND HIS WORDS....
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My H still works with her in a school with 125 teachers and staff and 1000 kids. They cross paths often but the way he ignores her shows her that she is non-existent in his life. As he says "He won't even share the same air space with her".
I also sent her a nine page letter about 1 year after d-day (read vile, horrible, I would never say to another human being bad), and she put it in his mailbox as if she was telling on me. He knew what the letter said, he told me to send it. When he found it in his mailbox and brought it home, he wrote "crawl back under your rock and stay away from me" and put it back in her mailbox. She won't look at him AT ALL anymore and avoids him at school.
If you're hell bent on his telling her to go fuck HERSELF, have him put it in a most vile letter, signed by both of you and threaten a restraining order if she ever comes anywhere near him, you or your family.
One more thing... There are two main points that have been mentioned here that I so totally agree with:
Frank saying that he feels the most comfortable with you to "exercise his opinions" on and
jrsygrl saying that staying with the betrayed is not the easy way, it's the hard way and if he wanted the easy way, he would've been gone.
But, on the flip side, he hasn't lied to me once since the affair, and God knows, I've put him through the ringer to make sure. So if he says he mailed it, I know, deep down, he did. I just wish I didn't doubt. It's a small part, like 5%, but it's there. Maybe it always will be.
I should've written a letter to accompany his, but you know, rel8, she doesn't give a shit what I say. I've sent her letters, I've tried to talk to her, and she just doesn't hear me. I'M not the one she wants to communicate with, and I'm not the point of all of this for her. HE is. I wish, just once, she would hear me, because I've got a whole mess of worms to say to her. I have to remember, however, that I was a side dish, not the main course in her eyes. She lied to me, she mislead me, she manipulated me, and never once cared about what she was doing to me.
The sad part is, however, she's convinced her naive husband that she DOES care. He insists over the phone that she feels so bad, so horrible, so regretful. I was like, "Whatever." I know by now how she plays the game. Her MO.
Maybe hearing from Curt now will make her see. Mabye not. She's the kind that can spin anything to her benefit. She'll probably think I made him write it; probably think I dictated it. She'll probably look for some hidden meaning in the words. The point is, I know the truth, and that's all that matters to me. What that broken bitch does now I could care less. Whoremonger.