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Reasons To Have Socialized Healthcare

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1) A national health plan would take a tremendous financial burden off businesses of all sizes, but especially the smaller ones, FAR bigger than the tax burden everyone whines about in every state. This would allow companies to hire all the people they need and invest in new operations more easily, w/o worrying that it will put them in the red. This would stimulate business unbelievably. Is this not exactly what we need?
2) A plan like this would accomodate the untold thousands of single parents in this country who need more flexible hours, and who need to have a choice to work part- or full-time without worrying about how they will manage without a health plan.
3) NOT having this plan makes us look (more) like morons to every other developed country in the Western world, which treats healthcare as the right of every citizen, just like the right to have "socialized" perks like road and sewer maintenance and 24-hour police services.
4) A plan like this would mean fewer, not more, people on welfare. If you can scratch by financially on a lousy fast-food job because you now have a health plan no matter where or when you work, fewer people will feign unhirability or disability in order to get Medicare. Believe it or not, most people do have a sense of dignity and would rather work if they can; but if it paradoxically makes them even poorer and more vulnerable then they are not going to do it. This takes that problem away entirely.
5) A national health plan would allow people to work MUCH more easily at what they love, are good at and believe in. Nobody in Holland or Finland or even Russia EVER has to choose a job they're going to hate or be no good at because only the lousy job offers Blue Cross. This translates into a happier workforce, less cadging of time off and less eating up of vacation time for mental health days because your job makes it hard for you to face getting out of bed in the morning.
6) Three words: More. Vacation. Time. Every European country with a national health plan gives you SIX VACATION WEEKS A YEAR. Why? They're saving a bundle in health-insurance premiums.
2) A plan like this would accomodate the untold thousands of single parents in this country who need more flexible hours, and who need to have a choice to work part- or full-time without worrying about how they will manage without a health plan.
3) NOT having this plan makes us look (more) like morons to every other developed country in the Western world, which treats healthcare as the right of every citizen, just like the right to have "socialized" perks like road and sewer maintenance and 24-hour police services.
4) A plan like this would mean fewer, not more, people on welfare. If you can scratch by financially on a lousy fast-food job because you now have a health plan no matter where or when you work, fewer people will feign unhirability or disability in order to get Medicare. Believe it or not, most people do have a sense of dignity and would rather work if they can; but if it paradoxically makes them even poorer and more vulnerable then they are not going to do it. This takes that problem away entirely.
5) A national health plan would allow people to work MUCH more easily at what they love, are good at and believe in. Nobody in Holland or Finland or even Russia EVER has to choose a job they're going to hate or be no good at because only the lousy job offers Blue Cross. This translates into a happier workforce, less cadging of time off and less eating up of vacation time for mental health days because your job makes it hard for you to face getting out of bed in the morning.
6) Three words: More. Vacation. Time. Every European country with a national health plan gives you SIX VACATION WEEKS A YEAR. Why? They're saving a bundle in health-insurance premiums.
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It also ties in with the whole concept of keeping people healthy and productive in order to benefit business.
I also never said looking better to other developed countries is a motivation to vote for such a thing. But it would be a serious perk once the hurdle has been crossed.
As for vacation time -if you can afford the time off -take it. Just know that someone has to pay the bills.
BTW Thatskath, you seem to be saying that Medicaid and Medicare are something OTHER than socialized medicine. That's exactly what they are.
Also Medicare and Medicaid are government healthcare programs but don't think just because you have this you haveou may coverage for things you may need like certain meds that drug companies are driving the price up and not all are covered under Medicare. I'm glad to see this forum..we need serious change in this country, no one in Finland and places like that have our problems.
(ie: appealing to taxes, businesses, vacations, etc.)
I think centralizing our healthcare is becoming more and more a necessity because of unaffordable healthcare without insurance today.
However, at the same time, it NEEDS to be researched throroughly, as there are also serious drawbacks to most socialized healthcare systems.
For instance, wealthy Canadians sometimes come to the US for certain surguries, because they are either not available at all in Canada, or not available in time.
Have you asked any of them what percentage of their income goes to all these centralized conveniences? On average, MORE than we pay!! Closer to 50% than our average of 30%.
Here in the US, we have the convenience of getting a dental or mental health visit, either of which are considered "long wait" health care visists in this country, usually within a month, or at least two. In other socialized health care countries, the wait is usually at least two - six months. They are not allowed to pick and choose whom they want to see. Just like HMOs here. You are assigned a primary care provider, and you have to get a referral from them to see a specialist. Good luck if your provider doesn't happen to like you or have much experience in your particular health condition.
One of the reasons our health care system is so expensive, is because of the cutting edge medical research our country is doing. However contraversial, our nation leads other socialized countries in this area.
There are usually, at least in larger cities, health care options available to many people who don't have private insurance -- state HMO, low cost county health care, ERs, Individual health care provider financial assistance from large corporations as well as drug companies themselves, mental health, cancer, and other associations and large business donations, etc.
I am not trying to say these are all-encompassing or effecient, but they are available to many. who do not otherwise have healthcare.