It is selfish to expect others to prolong suffering and misery for others.

The "surviving" people after a suicide generally have a better quality of life than the person who seeks suicide.

clmm....go re-read her post. you are totally misunderstanding what she is saying...

you were a little harsh on her, dont you think???

:}

I misunderstand nothing, and i don't apologise for my honest opinion. unh1995 did your mother never teach you that assumption is the mother of all fuck ups? Do you not assume how i construe here??
My father had her attitude until i took over 50 anti physcotics. I meant she better be careful what she says, she seemed TO ME like she was challenging those who threaten it to see if they are for real. Me for one wouldn't need to threaten my family if they had done a better job. It's not always an empty threat its just how people feel at that time. People often wish they were dead but don't really consider it, its our perogitive as humans to feel that way. Noone should say things on this site to cheapen others pain in ANY way. If its any consolation i have anger and regret problems and will probably feel real bad about this once the anger wears off. Then again i know the story of the person she was initially responding to, and although she reacted ok to it, it could just have easily gone the other way..

CLMM

For me, I don't think selfishness is the only reason for suicide. As you stated, sometimes it seems the only option at the time. Selflessness is the motivating factor. For instance, people with chronic health conditions and the elderly usually are not being selfish, they simply want to end the suffering in order for their loved ones to move on with their lives.

Young people just don't have enough life experience to realize that life goes on, they are not being selfish, they just don't have the experience to deal with life.

Selfish suicides usually have f*^k you motive behind it. An intent to harm survivors. But, others just give up because they can't deal with what life has to offer.

No matter the reason, it hurts the survivors, being one myself, I can attest to that.

I believe them. I know that there have been many times that I have wanted to. Today is one of them. But, after thinking of those that are left to mourn me and the pain and questions they will have to live their lives with, I talk myself out of it. It is sick to believe that people are attention seekers. There are much better ways of seeking attention. Any attention being sought is by those that post comments such as they are seeking attention. This gives them their whole one second in the lime light. Sorry guys, I just dont believe that because someone says they are going to kill themselves and they dont is exactly a bad thing nor do I feel they just wanted attention. Lets face it, ds is great to get attention on. There are tons of comments to post to get your attention.

jules670 i will make sure i ignore you if you ever say you feel that way because that is how YOU feel about it. Not everyone though. Just another person to undermine suicidals. Last time i told my family i was going to yes it was a cry for help but i still tried to kill myself. Ended up in hospital and the etc. Tell someone suicidal that to their face jules670 You are the sort of person that brings the anger and hate out in me.

hahaha. WHy send me a pm if you were going to post here too. REREAD my post. I said that it is those who call those who want to kill themselves attention seekers that are seeking attention. Whenever anyone says I want to die and then changes their minds are probably thinking about those they are leaving behind and so their mind is changed. It does not mean that they wanted to just come on here and hear pleads to just stay. They are hurting and seeking friendship and a reason to stay here on earth. I thought my last post was clear. Sorry. But, the next time you want to get angry and vent do it with someone deserving of your wrath. I also have an anger problem and I believe that control is the most effective.

unh1995, clmm is feeling a bit under the weather and misunderstood me as well, I was agreeing with her on what she said. Not her fault, just not feeling good.

I am correct in assuming this thread started out about suicide? Is so, may I be so bold as to add my .02 worth?
I don't know if suicide is selfish or not. Maybe if you know you are going to devastate loved ones in doing it and then do it, then yes it's selfish. On the other hand it's the very fact that it would totally destroy my husband and daughter that I haven't done it and hang on, my dog. On another note I think suicide is not for cowards. A friend of ours killed himself a little over a year ago. One of our club members called him a coward. NO way. I am a coward, Larry wasn't. It takes some guts to shoot yourself in the head. Not this little black duck. Suicide to me it a final escape from overwhelming pain. I cried for 3 days over Larry, if only I had know. We saw him only a few hours before he did it. Do you know how that feels? Terrible that's how. Anyway, that's all folks.

I am so sorry to hear about your friend. Hanging on takes much courage as well and your hubby and daughter are very fortunate that you continue to think of them. Hang in there.

i respect CLMM's opinion, and I think that i might actually agree with lots of what she said.
I dont agree with attacks and meanness, but she can do what she wants.

One thing that I know for sure...I don't want to argue and fight over this, regardless of whether or not she might feel like it.
Peace..Love...Earth..Hope

I believe the trouble is that we are all worried about some people here who are threatening suicide almost every week.I'm not saying they are lying or that their feelings are invalid. I'm more worried that people are going to take it as "crying wolf" and become jaded to it.

I think both you and Bella have made valid points. Let's not busy ourselves fighting over it when there are people in posts next door who really need our help, k?

I have had some experience with the attention seekers. As someone else said, they usually have a f**k you attitude and not the obvious pain that you see in someone who is seriously considering taking their own life. But I don't think, in the moment, that we should ever risk NOT taking a suicide threat seriously.

I agree with you star9 as with others that life experience does play a major factor in how we, as individuals facing a serious emotional or mental crisis, will respond. I came to the conclusion a few years ago that suicide, all judging aside, is really a desire for change. Whether we are in advanced age or in our teens; we want to stop and change the physical, emotional, or mental states.
Change may be the ultimate goal here, but the flip-side is, like any and all actions we take, there are consequences. Remember folks, the law of physics... for every action there is an equal and opposite action. I firmly hold the position that this resonates in all realms of existence. Anytakers?????