the only way for kids to have disipline is if they are shown it by parents and other responsible adults.
If no disipline is shown to them then they cannot be expected to have it themselves.
I have pity for those parents who have tried their best and are being bossed around by their children.

"Beatcha kidz!" I'm not against a good whack on the ass, obviously BEATING your child isn't the way to go, but you should keep them in check.

This topic really upsets me, too many parents allow their children too much leeway and these are the people who will rule our countries.

I am one who also believes on a smack on the butt. I had a very abusive step father who beat the crap out of all the time.. My mom says oh you kids didnt get that many beatings.. One beating is one to many. My kids knew from the get go the two things I hated the most are liars and thieves.

I was just reading that in Massachusetts, they want to pass a law that will make spanking a form of neglect and child abuse...I swatted my daughter once when she was young...for trying to touch the hot stove...she never did it again....

glad not alone, govt had taking parents rights if they pop child child knows they can get parents in trouble. my 14 neice called me a bitch that slipped i handed her the phone told her to call who she wanted, but i did pop that butt, i counted to twenty before i done it, she cusses everyone else but not me

A smack on the ass is sometimes necessary. I don't think there is anything wrong with it. I do believe it is up to the parents to dicipline their children, and a smack on the ass is very different from beating the crap out of you kids.

I agree,smack on the hand or bum then get out of my site then explain why that happened x

And these little shits will be running our country's one day, now that is scary

When I was younger my parents would do the wrist smack thing and then go, "NO. That's bad." That seemed to be enough for me to get the hint. It was usually with little things like...eating catfood, throwing things at my grandparents... etc. They didn't actually spank me unless I did something like throw a fit in Toys R Us, kick my sister in the shins, or get smart with them. lol

trying to deal with a step daughter now who had no respect for her mother. I think, from what's she's told me, her mother treated her like a friend, not a daughter. don't think kids respect that, they will keep testing their boundaries, need to be able to give them limitations

i dont agree with a pop on the butt, although i do agree that kids need boundaries as mad has stated. kids get into trouble when they are out with their friends and get bored....i do not allow my kids to tell me what to do, its my house in i make the rules and thats the way it is....i have great kids, but they still need sturcture and rutines that they can count on. kids can thrive when they know where the line is in the sand. i know that im lucky to have such great kids, but they do drive me nuts...lol....

Well...
I agree that kids need discipline and they need to know boundaries. But I never hit or even popped my child on the butt to let her know what they were.

I talk to her constantly.

When she asks me why things are a certain way, I have a policy of NEVER saying "Because I said so." I think that, though we must be the final authority, we must act on that authority with dignity and respect for "the governed"...I always, always tell my daughter why I make the choices I do. It doesn't mean they are up for negotiation, but she is able to see that I am not a tyrant just wanting things a certain way because I have the power, but because there is a good and meaningful reason.

I don't agree with spanking, or hitting or popping because--I think--it gives the child a reason to be mad at you. And if they are mad at you, then they aren't thinking about the point you are trying to make. They are now, in their thinking, justified at being angry back at you. I think that sets up a manner of thinking that is opposed to what my goal is...and that is to understand the difference between right and wrong...and WHY they are right and wrong.

I am not only looking for behavior changes. I am looking for growth of her whole being.

I don't want my child to do the right things because she is afraid...I want her to do the right things because they are right...Motivation is at the core of the quality of our society. We can have people doing the right things because someone is looking...or they can do the right things because they are right...no matter who is looking. I want the right choices to come from her heart, and not from a concern that someone might hold some consequence over her head.

I think that can breed an empty life, and I know so many children who do the "right" things only when they think there will be a consequence.

I want to nurture a happy, healthy, loving heart, and I don't think you can get that by physical shock.

And a final thought on it, if an adult does anything physical to another adult, that can be considered a crime. When an adult does the equivalent to a child, that is discipline. There is a disconnect there for me, that I just can't get past.

Good clip round the ears never did me any harm, I think I have grown into a pritty good bloke, even if I do say so myself

lord i should have not posted this feel a argument coming on sorry