momma... point taken about the asking what they mean in pm's :) But... in all fairness... you did come on and satrt on me after it had all died down ( you wernt the only one ) and seemed like you all wanted to keep it going. I will always be the first to admit if im wrong and ive dont that on certain things. I wont back down on everything thogh no matter how much people may want me to. I fully believe in waht i said. maybe i could have gone about it a diffewrent way but I didnt and in hindsight maybe as you said a Pm asking what was actually meant by the comment might have been bettwer but i cant take that back, all i can do is learn from it. I feel very strongly about anyone being as i feel "ganged "up on though. Like i said...i didnt murder anyone... my only offence was to defend those that have very low self esteem.