Hi Holster I agree with you I don't think it's just the mercury that is making people sick. Look at the kids with Autism or Mercury poisoning that have digestive problems, and a whole slew of other problems. I have a theory and let me know what you think. According to Richie Shoemaker, MD if you have a certain markers you cannot excrete toxins from a biotoxin disease and you need toxin binding drugs to get well. Perhaps it's not just the mercury that is making people sick. Perhaps they put the mercury in your mouth and you develop a fungus in your mouth because the mercury changes the environment in your mouth and kills off good bacteria allowing the bad bacteria to take over. If you are of a certain genotype you will not be able to excrete the toxins from your body. You will stay sick until you get the toxins out of your body. Just a thought. We're all looking for answers and I for one am tired of doctors saying they don't know.

Hi,

I just wanted to add that I had my mercury fillings taken out too back in 1990 and it didn't help me either. I still have my root canals though.

The only thing I've done that really made a difference was eliminate food intolerances, but I understand this may not be help everyone.

"It comes down to how you detox, possible other viruses or infections, hormonal problems, etc. "

Can you please tell me what you did here ?

I agree with Sharon, I believe our detoxification systems are overburderned with different toxins and that's why each of us responds to different treatments. So, it's possible that some could heal from removing their fillings and root canals.

IMHO we could all benefit from healing our guts. They say most of our immune systems are in our guts.

Marcia

Hi holster and SharonHanson,

Nobody should ever imply that a dental revision will cure anything, but your health will not improve without it. The problems that many people experience with amalgam removal is lack of proper protocols for removal and just as important for recovery. Chlorella is not a chelator, but chelation is not the answer. Cilantro will carry ionic mercury across the blood brain barrier. Juices are partitioned forcing the body to deplete enzyme sources. Everything you did was contrary to what I had to do to recover. The man responsible for this entire issue in this country, Dr. Hal Huggins, developed the necessary protocols for a dental revision and recovery treatment that is essential for improved health. Unfortunately, there are probably less than a hundred dentists who do the protocol for revision, and hardly anyone does the recovery protocol. There are many who claim they do, but it is not actually so. The man with Parkinson's disease that attended the same clinic I did got his disease from the improper removal of his amalgams.

Incidentally, my digestive problems were directly the result of mercury toxicity.

It is important to realize that there is a correct way and a wrong way to do this. I suspect that I am the only one posting here who had the correct procedures.

wellatlast

Wellatlast, I don't agree with you. I have seen people get better without amalgam removal. I think it's scary for people to hear that they won't have improvement without mercury removal. Many people with this illness do not have the money to do the proper protocol and all that you suggest or attend a clinic. I don't think they should be told they won't improve. That is a scary thought and imagine hearing that if you had had little means to pay for it. You were lucky to financially be able to afford it (and attend a clinic), as was I..not many are. I read your response to an earlier post that you wish that everyone would just do this. People need to find their own way. I have been around the block with this illness and could keep up with a lot of things that you know and that a lot of doctors know. Doctors treat me differently because I speak their language due to having this disease and having had to know it because I have become my own investigator. I have lived in other parts of this country and seen specialists TO GET WELL. I mentioned to another person on here that my mother (luckily I have had the financial means) has spent at least $70,000 out of pocket on this whole CFS mess that I have had for 18 years starting with mono. Actually, I believe she has spent more than that. I have Hal Huggins book along with many mercury books and I know it well. I have a library of CFS books and the latest writings found on treatments. There are a number of factors for illness and especially with CFS and all the different variables of what everyone suffers with. Hormones, genetics, infections, viruses, detox problems with the liver in either stage one or two of the pathways, enzyme issues; it is extremely complicated. For all who read this; fear not. There is hope. IF you can't afford mercury removal, you can get better. There is no question that mercury is a serious problem. Children are developing autism, alzheimers can be a result of mercury poisoning etc. Do not have flu shots or any vaccinations due to thimerosol..(proper spelling?) Just eating fish is a problem. It is in our water...there are so many ways of developing mercury poisoning. But to CFS patients, like I said, don't be led to feel that you have to have all your amalgams out and do mercury detox to get well. If you have the money great, if not..there is still hope. And just so you know, many people are messaging me with how it didn't work for them. If mercury removal and mercury detox was a total cure, many would not be on this site as we speak. If I was well, I wouldn't be on this site, I would be out living my life and having a cosmopolitan with my gal pals.

And yes Sharon, Shoemaker makes some great points. He and Patricia Kane are big proposers of the idea that many with this illness and lyme do not detox properly, so that even with the proper mercury detox..it will not work due to an overwhelmed liver. The liver is extremely important in getting well and ours are overwhelmed. The whole glandular system.

I am tired of docs saying they don't know, but I would rather hear that then "I have the cure" only to be let down AGAIN.

Hi to you all..I to did the whole dental bit 7 years ago..also some horrible detox...I had minimal improvement...yes same as you less fog...but I also would caution others to believe it is a cure ..if not done properly also it could make you sicker. Yes I do also believe that some may experience full recovery and I say thats marvellous.

The most important point to remember is that when one treatment or protocol works for one CFS sufferer doesn,t necessarily work for another...there are so many underlying causes and life experiences and stresses for us...we are all different and unique.

Do the research find a good doctor if possible and make your own decision.

I have just read a book written by an australian journalist who suffered from CFS he was able to find a dx and good information and treatments fairly quickly his full recovery had nothing to do with mercury toxicity....that was found anyway....so much info so many factors...I do my research and I trust God and go with my heart/gut feeling........as has been recored here there is no one bullet cure...anyway all all the best and heaps of hugz and sunshine...Julie

Holster I couldnt agree with you more on this- I would consider this treatment LAST on the list of things to try. And thats what people need to do- TRY THINGS- simple but like everyone says a million times and its true- everyones different and will respond to things differently. This is about a combo of alot of things- causes AND treatments. Try try again. I AM ALWAYS weary when someone says they have the ONLY cure to this. OR I am the only DR who does this type of treatment- AND I dont teach anyone else how to do it. I just heard a Dr. say that... and got into a debate with his "people" then he proceeded to call me and leave me a message...I wont go there but its ridiculous what people will do and say to prey on people who just want to feel like everyone else.

wellatlast if I had followed your advice I would be thousands of dollars poorer and still very sick as I have BIOTOXIN DISEASE. It has nothing to do with mercury. I have mold that started in my breast after a biopsy that has spread all through my body. It's in my brain, hypothalamus and liver that I know of. Your plan would not have worked for me. Please be respectful and honor others processes. You were WRONG about me and you could be WRONG about others. Dr. Shoemaker has treated thousands with biotoxin disease and he estimates ten million people have biotoxin disease and could be helped and maybe cured. If you acquire a biotoxin disease and you have certain markers you cannot excrete the toxins with out following a certain protocol and it's not the Huggins protocol.

Holster,

Amen. We all have to find our own way. There are many ways up the mountain of CFIDS.

As for me, I am using Hydration and Symphonic Orchestra Therapy (SOT)these days and am improving quite well. Let me explain HSOT. I attend the Symphony Orchestra and drink a lot of water before going...and I let the vibrations of the violins heal me. :) Hey, I feel better for two hours anyway.... :) All semi- kidding aside....each of us has to find our own way...and anyone who says THIS is it....makes me a little uncomfortable....because many are healed by other means.....it seems to me the only thing people have in common who have some healing from CFIDS....is Time. It takes time to heal...anyway....my little ramble for the day....Thank you all for listening....Hang in there all...brighter days are coming!


A.

One thing i do know and understand is that there is no one cure, I've had this for a very long time also. I still deal with it i have to force myself to work and to do things, take care hope for wellness for you.

Thanks for the info. HUGS,Ally

My dentist wants to replace a bridge he "installed" in the early 90's as well as do additional work on the teeth surrounding it as I grind my teeth and it has caused pockets in my gums surrounding the bridge. He estimated the cost to be $2,600 which would be a financial burden, plus I am extremely traumatized from any dental procedure. I said "No thanks, I'll wait until they all fall out" but now I'm reconsidering.

Because I've been reading your DS stories on CFS, I realize I started having dizzy spells and having signs of CFS about the time the existing bridgework was done. I don't think I can ignore this and write it off as coincidence. I don't believe it would be the main reason for my CFS but definitely a contributing one.

Could you folks advise me on what questions to ask my dentist beforehand (i.e. what materials should be used in the replacement) if I decide to do this. It would be most appreciated. You may message me with your coments if you wish. Thanks.

Phillip314 I had problems when I had my braces on and they went away when I had them taken off. I didn't make the connection until recently when they put a stainless steel/nickel marker in my breast and I started grinding my teeth and broke all kinds of teeth and had fillings replaced. After that the pockets went away, the grinding stopped and I had virually no plaque buildup anymore. But things were not as they seemed. Even though I was allergic to nickel it was mold in my breast that caused problems. If you want to get answers about biotoxin illnesses and this disease process go to www.chronicneurotoxins.com and to learn more about metals go to www.melisa.org There is a test for only $15 on chronicneurotoxins that will tell you in five minutes if you have a biotoxin illness. Good luck and message me if you want more information.

Hi Philip314,

Do you know if the bridge that you have is a porcelain fused to metal (PFM) or a non-metal porcelain/ceramic? If it is a PFM the most likely metal is stainless steel (nickel). The porcelain/ceramic that is used to make the crown bridge or to coat the metal contains high amounts of aluminum oxide. Either way you may be exposed to aluminum with nickel a possibility if a PFM. Other metals involved could be cadmium, paladium and zirconium. There is a serum compatibility test and also a computerized kinesthsiology report that you can take to test these materials of the new bridge that you are going to get. There is a new porcelain/ceramic product called "Cerec" that is processed at a higher heat for a stronger bond. This may not leach its components to the degree that standard porcelain/ceramic products do.

wellatlast

Before I had my mercury fillings out I could take a volt meter and place it across my two fillings and get 1.3 volts!

Dissimilar metals and acid will make a battery.
I do agree with some of you that dental revision wont cure all of you but if you have MS it should be considered because many with MS have gotten better just from a dental clean up and a detox program also some CFS'rs have also gotten better.

It is kinda Ironic that now I am healthy and I did get my teeth fixed.

Still don't know if I would have gotten better without having my root canal removed or not but it is nice not having that pain in my mouth where the root canal was.
I think was worth it for me.

I only spent about 12-$1,400.

When the dentist wanted to give me crowns I went to a different dentist.

Dougclean...I am so glad that you have had marked improvement...and that the dental revision worked for you..I t is so important that each person look at their own situation and make an informed choice...Although I didn,t recover from my dental amalgam revision I am very glad that I had it done as I DO NOT want more mercury or other metals leaching into my system through my dental work....at least I know that....regards Julie