ok if you want it to work why would you hang up on her 5 times? Do any of the conversations pertain to your marriage if not bring it up. Has either of you filed papers?

She was only attacking me, yelling, screaming at me. We were only supposed to be talking about "business" but she asked about bills and things we already talked about onle to get to me meeting her downtown somewhere to sign the papers "someday". I said no and she went off saying I was still trying to control her. I don't feel like I have the right to talk about anything other than the kids and bills cause thats what she says. I feel like if I bring it up she's just gonna go off again.

So from your questions I guess you think we should be at least talking like grown up now huh?

I think it is time to step back and just slow everything down and just take a momnent to breath and try to clear your head. It is hard to move forward and make any good decesion when your mind and heart are full of emotions. You will get through this

I'm in the same boat, bro! I don't know when RIGHT NOW ends, but I hope its soon for both of us.

I have found sometimes "silence" can be very theraputic to my soul.

you know man, I was in your shoes. I had to give up. It actually worked well for two things, stability for the children, and my peace of mind. I was married to a child and still to this day, does not give me an iota of respect of any kind, so, I just play along and let her do her thing, while I do mine and we mix the kids in there. Do for the kids, make sure you're getting equal parenting time and be the dad the kids need you to be. let her alone. she'll come around if and only if she wants to. throwing anything in her face, or you saying we need to talk about us, is only pure gasoline on the stoking bonfire. you're gonna get burned so just step back and do for you and the kids. if was meant to be, you'll see it. you're in a tough spot now and your emotions are not on your side. i'll keep you in my thoughts.