I really do not like unfair inflammatory language about either gender. Sorry!

I know many wonderful men and women that are not liars, that I respect and admire.

I know many more of them since coming to this site.

mom you know me and my issues and I can honestly say that NO not all men (or women) lie and there are some great ones out there.

Are all women bitches?

OF COURSE NOT.

Are all women bitches?

OF COURSE NOT.

I know some guys that lie because they want to live.

For example:

-No, your butt looks just fine.
-Yes, those pants look great on you.
-No, I wasn't looking at her.
-Yes, I love being with your parents.
-No, nothing's changed, your butt still looks fine

So what would you rather us do? Tell you the truth and destroy you so you can call us a-holes, or lie to you and make you feel a little better?

Women have their own set of lies they tell, no so much for survival but because they realize that men can be pretty fragile sometimes:

-No honey, you're the biggest EVAR.
-Yes honey, your input is important to me.
-No, I don't want anything for Valentine's Day
-Yes, I would love to watch the game with you

And dozens more...

Or were you talking about something else?

ok begin I am not trying to put down a whole gender.
pasta I am not talking about the white lies
I know there arer some good guys out there what I am talking about is the big ones you know the I love the kids no I can not see them kind of lies. The I care what happens to you oh I hope you lose everything kinda lies. The I will always be your friend ...until someone better comes along

I agree - I too know many men and women that are beautiful people inside and out that I respect and admire. I used to think all men were liars and manipulators too, until I stopped being the victim. I found that the reason I attracted men that were generally liars was b/c of my issues with myself. Low self esteem, co-dependent, untrusting, just to name a few - these are traits that are a natural magnet for one who is of the deceiving type.

my parents never taught me HOW to lie. I tried it on my own a few times, never worked out

I get in more 'trouble' for telling the Truth, often the WHOLE Truth, and nothing BUT the Truth, and frankly, people DON'T want to hear it

Well, my butt DOES look fine and I really DO think your input's important......
The biggest ever? We talkin' ego, wallet, or nob?

There are plenty of good men out there...I know way more good men than liars, cheaters and jerks. Thank goodness! I just happened to choose poorly when I was young and stupid. My current bf is a person who would never lie...except when (thanks, pasta for bursting my bubble!) I ask him if my butt's too big! ;) Just kidding...but yes, momof3g1b, there are some really great guys out there...ask people you trust to introduce you to them when you are ready.

then there's Chris Rock LOL
http://youtube.com/watch?v=02PIW-A-XMY

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iDIT10TZNro more

No, all men are not liars. However, there is a great Nick Lowe song by that name and here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg-BiWZMXPA

It's hilarious and witty as hell as a song. And has the bonus of including this fab lyric:

"Do you remember Rick Astley?
He has a big fat hit that was ghastly."

If you don't already know and love Nick Lowe, my God, do what you can to rectify that. And listen to the song; it's so dang clever and good-natured.

Rick Astley? Wasn't he that skinny white guy that sang like a black guy? He had a big ass? I need to do some research!

Since when did telling the truth and "being decent" have anything to do with one another?

Tell me the truth, would you prefer your partner be perfectly honest with you at all times about all things, or would you prefer that he "manage" his communications to fit your sensibilities?

The 'truth' is fascinating, but be careful what you wish for here. It might be far from comforting or 'decent', whatever you're getting at.

You want to do truth? Bring it. I've got nothing but questions.

Arf!