Asperger Syndrome Support Group

Asperger syndrome - also referred to as Asperger's syndrome, Asperger's, Aspergers or just AS - is one of five neurobiological pervasive developmental disorders (PDD), and is characterized by deficiencies in social and communication skills, normal to above normal intelligence, and standard language development.

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Oppositional Defiant Disorder

My 7 1/2 year old Aspie has ADHD and ODD as well. I can deal with the ADHD and the AS its the ODD I am having a hard time with. Does anyone else have a Aspie with ODD? How are you dealing with it and what works with dealing with this disorder? What do you do as far as discipline? We are at our wits end with this part of his diagnoses and would love some advice.

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sadmom
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My 17 yr old son has Aspergers and also has ODD. This is a horrible thing to deal with. No matter what we say, he will take the opposite view. One example....once, when I said I was cold, he insisted that I was not!
The only thing we have found is to try to use reverse psychology. If we don't act like something is very important, then he is more likely to comply. We definitely have to choose our battles. Our priorities have changed over the years. If my son doesn't want to bathe for a week, I don't bother to argue with him anymore. The more I insist on some things, the more he digs his heels in and opposes me.
When he was little, I used to physically make him do things. Now that he is 6'4" tall, it's impossible. One thing I've learned is that if you can stay calm and not start yelling, things are much better. This is very hard for me, because I lose my temper easily, but I work very hard at it.
I wish I had some good advice for you, but this is a continuing trial for us. It's so very depressing to know that you can't control your child. Maybe a child psychologist could give you some tips on how to handle this. If you learn anything, please share with me.
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I have a 37 year old son who behaves in a way that mystifies me...I cannot do anything right, according to him. I have learned to not talk about anything he might turn on.
I e-mail him across the house and have learned to speak to him in his language. He relates to computer talk, things that cost money and a black or white condition. Even though he is very talented and smart with the computer he is stressed when dealing with others. I hear your torment but AS people are super sensitive and smart and will accept you if you talk their talk.
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Hello, our son is 11 and has always been contrary to the max, always questioning and rarely taking no for an answer without hours of explanations. Things have become much easier as he has become older. When he was young we explained everything and as he became older we began to see that it didn't matter why, it was kind of a compulsion of sorts, something he needed to do. So, knowing how important rewards are to him, we started a rewards system, giving him extra privileges and favorite foods. If things get really bad we will take away favorite things but try to avoid that. Also, it is very important that we schedule, so he knows when we will eat, when it is time for shower, even when his nails will need to be clipped (something he can't stand). When people do not have children affected by Asperger's, they do not understand the web of intricate rituals, but for us, it is just an every day thing. My main recommendations would be setting up a rewards jar or system where he can pick the reward for doing things as asked. AND, make sure there is schedule. Hopefully that helps.
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One book I have that has good, detailed advice for all types of behavioral issues is: People with Autism Behaving Badly, by John Clements, copyright 2005 by Jessica Kingsley Publishers. I got it through www.SpecialNeeds.com $19.95 It may or may not help you specifically, but is very structured, able to help with all types of problems, present and future...
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My 9 yr old Aspie has ADHD and ODD also. He is very bright but the ODD is the thing that gets him into trouble. We've tried spanking...didn't work. We've tried loss of stuff...didn't work. The only thing that works is explaining to him what he did and what you will not tolerate. After he breaks an infraction (because he will) give him a consequence and then mark it down on a calendar. We work on a reward system that sometimes works. One odd thing...we started going to sensory integration training (at a gymnasium) and for the rest of the evening the ODD wasn't so bad. We got a report that he did great the next day in school. I'm dying to know how he does next week after the sensory training...to see if it is doing any good.
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Thank you, thank you. I didn't know that there was a name for this. My husband (63) has ODD (or from the sounds of it does). It drives me crazy. There is a way to handle this type of disorder. It's played havoc with our marriage and communication. There's a test?
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It can be difficult to discipline a child with defiant behavior but not impossible. I would look into a child behavior modification program that will give you the tools that you need when you encounter these behaviors as well as give effective consequences. Stick with it and you will be glad that you did.
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I believe I have ODD but as an adult it is more or less under control. As a child it was bad and what I believe is that the whole thing is a control issue. Basically "If I do what they say then they have control over me. Even if I know it's right and even if I want to do it I will do everything I can to do it in my own way."

Soooo, If I needed to be ready on time and my Mum used to yell at me to hurry up I wouldn't - I'd make sure she was aware of the fact that I wasn't hurrying but I somehow made sure I was as near on time as possible to show that I COULD do it but in my own way. Hope that makes sense.

AND if there wasn't a way that I could make it happen in my own way then it simply wouldn't happen.

NOW my 9 year old daughter displays the same tendency so being the wise old owl that I am getting to be these days I know that I mustn't hurry her, that I mustn't yell at her, that I musn't suggest that she has to comply, no threats, no ultimatums.

I have to remain calm and always make sure that I am a help and a guide to get things done and not an overseer.

If I get it wrong then she won't budge and we miss appointments, are late for school, let people down. I have also had to let some of my standards go as trying to keep them is impossible. Thankfully I am getting it right more often these days and we are all a lot better off for it.
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"Mom told me you said I was an angry person. I'm not an angry person, I'm cynical."
"They come across the same way to most people"
"No they don't."
"Yep, they do."


yep. they do.
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hi..just joined this site and yours was the first letter i read.im Terri.im 48..live in U.K. have an 18 son with Aspergers and o.d.d...life was incredibly difficult cos i couldnt get a diagnosis for him until he was 15 half....life.school etc was a daily battle...all the drs i visited with my fears told me the usual rubbish...nothing wrong..lacks discipline.not enough love!??! just plain naughty..the list was endless..i always knew his cond had a name but didnt know what till i got access to the internet when he was about 10 and began researching..cut long story short..got diag at 15,,by then so much of life had been impossible,,so much repair' ? work to do and still doing..the o.d.d was not exactly diagnosed but his a.s.expert..said it was just part and parcel of the A.S. contrariness was the order of every day...and still is...!knowing helps!! i dont get mad.dont make an issue of it..the less attention you pay it the better at least for us both.reverse psychology used to work..but at 18 hes too smart for it now!! its frustrating iknow..my advice...? don't sweat the small stuff...it passes quicker..(as do the anger issues which were huge with us,,less now)...the less attention you give it the better ..just try to caryy on like nothing happened...!!?? it is my recipe now for a reasonably calm life....whatever gets you both through the day...love Terri..(tpk.24@hotmail.co.uk)
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My 8 year old has had some OCD since he was a toddler. Between understanding what he was sensitive to, picking battles, the remainder, we set limits and guidelines of what behavior is acceptable and what is not. There are certain things we can understand and be sensible with, but other times for him to lash out over certain things in a social setting that really did not need to be lashed out at, he would receive his warning and given his choices/consequences. We did not back down and stayed consistent. Hang in there and yes, it's a tough road, but you WILL get through it.
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I have a 10 year old that has just been dxd with Aspergers, ADHD combined type, ODD, Seizure disorder, sleep terror disorder and Sleep walking disorger and Boarderline Interlectual functioning. I know its hard. I felt as though I was the ONLY one with a child with so many dxd. I have to watch my daughter extremely close with her baby sister. She is really rough with her.. at home its a different story its like I can handle it alot easier when its here.. however when she is at school thats our major problems.. however her knowing that I was called helps so very much.. even when she is off with my mother.. if she has to call me my daughter turns into an angel.. I know her knowing that I am disappointed in her turns her day around. IDK what to do.. I am new to this as well I am just glad there is places we can go to seek out advice from other mothers in the same boat!
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My daughter had ODD as a child. She was a nightmare to raise. What saved us was a special school for children with learning differences. We got a second mortgage on our home and sent her there for four years.

What we found out was that her difficulty dealing with social situations and understanding body language was causing her a great deal of frustration and grief. It came out as ODD.

The school was a godsend and got her on the road to understanding how to cope. Once she gained coping skills, she got better and better. Now she is a great kid (she has yet to completely "grow up") and has made great strides. When I say great strides, I mean it. She is doing things that I never thought she would be able to do.

I am proud of her.
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By the way, we did not send her away. The school was within driving distance. We just took her to school like any private school.

I agree with tsibs12, though. Consistency is an absolute MUST. Aspies desperately need routines. Deviate from them and you've got chaos. I learned to prep her ahead of time if we wanted to do something different.
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I don't see ODD as being a real disorder, but more so, a personality flaw.

That said, I am a twenty-year-old female clinically diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome, with my mother also trying to pin with the label of ODD. Why do all my behaviors need a label? Why can't I simply just, I don't know... Be an asshole?