why agree or disagree??? It works it always has. Good enough for me.

I have stayed sober for 12 yrs. The one thing that we all have in common is that we have a problem with alcohol. The big book was written by alcoholics for alcoholics. I suggest to you, listen to the similarities not the differences.

That's what my sponsor told me many yrs ago. look for the similiarities and not the differences, good point.

I wont think you are knocking the program. I was just curious if you came across something and thought "this might help people more if this was added or left out" For instance (only an example no need to explain to me what it really means) The step that says admitt you are powerless to alcohol. Maybe it should be worded "overcome by the power alcohol has" Powerless might suggest people are inable to quit or if they relapse, binge drink because they admitted they had no power.

or maybe you dont disagree with a thing and think the founders had it just right

Sometimes I'm too confused to disagree, just try to go with the flow and take in the positive and work with it. Too many of my disagreements have led me to drink, so I'm trying to be open to whateve is positive and works.

why would we wnat to change the first 164 pages... to suit the little darlings whose feelings might be hurt,,from hearing the truth?

The big book is updated periodically, in the story sections..
good enough for me..

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it's written the way it is for a reason and i trust that. It's a gift.

Did you feel that way at the begining or was it a process over time.

It's always a process, feeling's and attitude's change over time the longer you are sober, alcohol affects the way you look at things and feel about things. I didn't like it at first at all, but i come to learn that,that is the disease,it get's wrestless once you try to stay sober. It will use everything to get you back into drinking again.

sounds fair, your picture scares me

don't get me wrong, i like the program and it has been helping me stay sober and i am grateful for all the changes in my life so far...
...So, when my sponsor tells me to remember the "third step" prayer and i ask him why?, the answer he gives me is "that is what i had to do" should be good enough explaination? and when i ask, "can i change it around" like it says i can in the BB(near bottom of pg63)he tells me "word for word" i shouldnt disagree?

My pic scares you, hahahaha, i think it's funny actually.

wow!

I think just like everything else, AA has its most excellent parts (which is that it works best for most) and some negative aspects, like what I'm going through right now. But overall, you simply can't argue with success. Millions of lives have been changed, and not just the alcoholics. Their families, friends, employers, drivers on the road, etc. I've only seen AA fail when the alcoholic fails to work it.

JMRH