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estrellaSMC
Female, 23
"I've finally gotten all of my special professors' signatures in my yearbook! What a great early birthday present."
1:04pm, July 10, 2009
I'm not sure if anybody remembers, but a while ago I was looking for information on signs of abusive people. I saved all of this in a file on my computer. Recently, a guy friend of mine (NOT a boyfriend, but we could have headed in that direction easily) started ignoring me for long periods of time, and I grew sick and tired of it. So I wrote a letter, telling him that the friendship was over. I haven't sent it yet, because it partially a venting letter.

Anyway, I remembered something in our conversations that had been a red flag for an abusive person, so I looked it up in my file so I could put the exact quote in my letter. Well, while I was in there, I read through and found that there was quite a bit more that applied to this friend than I had originally thought. Here's the letter (Jonathan's the guy's name, in case you didn't figure that out):

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I started writing this as a letter making excuses for why I couldn't spend time with you this weekend. I realize now why I did that. I was afraid of your reaction. I didn't want to make you angry at me. That is not a good way to feel about a friend, especially a friend I used to feel so close to. Friends as close as I felt towards you should be able to talk about anything without fear.

Did you really think you could barely contact me for almost a month and then one day come waltzing back and expect things to go on as if that month hadn't happened? I don't think so! Even I don't expect that to happen when I lose touch with a friend for a certain amount of time, either because I lose a way to contact them or because I get lazy or something comes up that causes me to forget to write to them. Life happens, even when friends, even good friends, aren't there.

It's over, Jonathan. Our friendship is over. I've moved on. I had literally forgotten all about you by the time you emailed me again. One day, maybe about halfway along in your house sitting, I thought of you. It took me a minute to remember who you were. Then, I wondered why I hadn't heard from you for a while and then remembered about you talking about house sitting for a friend. I was then able to release you from my mind. I've moved on.

You said on your profile on the online dating site where we first met that you want people to be understanding. It's not understanding. It's sympathy. Oh poor Jonathan has Asperger's Syndrome. Oh poor Jonathan has depression. Oh poor Jonathan has anxiety. Or poor Jonathan can't walk without a cane at times because of circulation issues. Oh poor Jonathan has vision trouble. Oh poor Jonathan isn't creative like I am so he can't help out with raising money for the Asperger's Syndrome Meetup (I caught that one, disguised as a compliment). Oh poor Jonathan was born three months early so he had a rough start in life and thus deserves two middle names in a poor attempt to make up for it. Oh poor Jonathan wasn't physically fit to pass the army's fitness tests so he had to drop out. Oh poor Jonathan couldn't go to tech school like he wanted to because his parents wanted him to go to college. Oh poor Jonathan. Oh poor Jonathan.

Hello?! What about me? Oh poor me, I have Asperger's Syndrome. Oh poor me, I have anxiety. Oh poor me, my father was emotionally abusive and is still a jerk. Oh poor me, I have low self esteem. Oh poor me, I can't get a job because I didn't have one in college because I wanted to focus on my studies. Oh poor me, I have very few friends. Oh poor me, a female minister I used to consider my friend turned out to be a real jerk and told me she wasn't right in the middle of an upset, which I tried unsuccessfully to resolve that happened just before I left to move away so I could start college causing even more emotional pain and forcing me to see that the friendship I thought I'd had with her was nonexistent and deal with the emotional pain that still hasn't completely gone away even after five years. Oh poor me, I lost my horse who I loved more than anything else in the world because she was young and rambunctious and Mom and I were too inexperienced. Oh poor me, I waited too long to tell the first guy I ever liked (a guy in college) that I liked him and before I could, he got a girlfriend. I have my fair share of issues and reasons to indulge in self pity, but do I sit around and say "Oh poor me" all the time? No! I struggle and fight and work through it all. Don't you know how I have managed to make progress these past years? It's partly because I had good therapists, I admit, but it was mostly because I worked hard and struggled with it. I have continued to struggle and grow and will continue to for the rest of my life. I don't just sit at home all the time not bothering to apply. I keep trying. I take web site design jobs for friends, which helps me because then I can tell potential employers that I have "real world" experience, which makes me more appealing to them. There are things I know I won't be able to change. These I have had to work at letting go of and coming to peace with. I don't think I'll ever be able to quite let go of what happened and is still happening with my dad, but I have found other places to look for fatherly affection. I have dreams, too. I have dreams of success: a good job that I love and a house with a lot of land and horses.

I don't see any sign of things like that with you. You seem perfectly happy just to sit at home and wallow in self pity. You could never hold a job because of your depression. You'd get a job and then depression would hit and you'd stay home and lose your job like *snaps fingers* that.

This is a harsh world, Jonathan. Especially for an Aspie. The fighters, like me, are the ones who actually get things done and have good lives. The "oh poor me"s, like you, never get anywhere. They end up in out of the way jobs earning the minimum wage and collecting social security. That's no way to live. A therapist tried to convince me that was the best I could do in life. I said "I don't think so!" and will continue to say that until I make it and can say "look at me now!"

Don't try to apologize and grovel and beg for me back, Jonathan. It won't work. Abusers do that all the time for the people they abuse, promising that they'll change, and then when the person comes back to the abuser, the abuser forgets these promises and goes back to their old abusive ways. I am not going to fall into that trap.

I am not saying that you are an abuser, but you do have abusive tendencies and display red flags. I have ignored them in the past, but I cannot any longer.

'Does he refuse to talk and listen?' is the first red flag. You have done both not talking and not listening. Sometimes I have asked you questions and received no answers. Or I have made a comment and you haven't acknowledged it. Related to that piece of this red flag is 'Has he lied to you, hidden things from you?' Other times, I couldn't get you to stop talking so I could get a word in edgewise.

'Does he dislike or degrade his mother?' is another one. I well remember how on your birthday you said that you hadn't taken your cell phone with you so that people couldn't reach you. You mentioned your mother and how she was always calling to check in on you and you did it with a nasty, mocking tone in your voice. That was the first red flag that I actually noticed and it gave me an unpleasant feeling.

'Does he insult your friends and family?' I also heard that tone you used when you have imitated my mom. It was similar to the one you used when imitating your mom, and I won't have that.

'Does he make excuses for not working?' You have done this from the beginning. You blamed it on your Asperger's, though I think that it's probably more likely your depression.

'Does he tell you about past affairs?' Well, you've told me about past girlfriends. I'm not sure if this counts as past affairs, but I know that you are sexually active so I feel fairly confident betting that at least some of them were actual affairs.

'Do you rehearse what you will say' or, in my case, write, 'so as not to make him angry?' and 'Do you fear his reactions?' are two more. I often have read and reread, and even had mom read the emails that I have sent to you, especially ones that were difficult subjects. I didn't want to upset you because I was afraid you'd get mad at me. Even when I sat down to write this email, I was doing it again: making excuses for why I couldn't spend time with you instead of just telling you right out that I don't want to be your friend any more. I'm sick of it.

'Does he make you feel stupid, ignorant, or incompetent?' and 'Has he ever made you feel small, insulted, abandoned, hurt or useless?' When I told you I enjoyed fan fiction, you talked about it and your friends who read and wrote it in a negative way and that made me feel like you thought I was like that, too. That didn't make me feel good.

'Has he ignored you for long periods of time?' Every time you would go away, both when you went on vacation and when you were house sitting in Montpelier, I barely heard from you. Then there were the times that you were having a bout of depression when you would vanish off the face of the earth for a while.

'Discounting: Discounting causes partners to believe something is truly wrong with their basic communication skills. Discounting is an insidious technique utilized by abusers to sustain control. If the partner says "I was hurt when you said..." or "I feel bad when you shout at me. . . " he'll discount her feelings with the message: "You're feelings and memories are wrong, so they're worthless". It's all too common for a partner to trust him and come to believe that there is something intrinsically wrong with her sense of reality, humor or perceptions. She may spend hours trying to figure out how it is that she comes across the way he says she does. These discounting statements are meant to avoid taking responsibility for his hurtful behavior, and avoid empathizing with her. If he accepted her pain as real, he'd be a step closer to the reality that he caused it. In his combative mind, this could strip him of his power by making him look bad (like a bully).' There have been times when I have said something and you have brushed me off, saying I was jumping to conclusions or that I should stop worrying so much.

'Trivializing: Trivializing says what you've done or expressed is unimportant or useless. Trivializing can be very calculated and made to sound "helpful". The partner is left feeling crestfallen, but isn't quite sure why. When trivializing is done in a candid and sincere tone of voice, it can be virtually undetectable. Often the partner trusts her abuser, so she may listen with an open mind to the abuser's comments and end up feeling perplexed that he doesn't understand her work or her interests. Women who have been trivialized often believe they haven't been able to communicate that certain things are quite important to her. Her abuser trivializes her accomplishments, work, and passions, leaving her wondering "did I not mention that I'm proud of (or I love) that?" She's in her reality, where it's impossible to believe he meant to cut her down, so she believes she hasn't explained herself very well. It's confusing, because unless he's deaf and blind, how could he love her and not know her? She's left feeling lonely and misunderstood, and he subtly puffs up from another power victory.' I know I've told you about how special and important my graduation from college was, but I never felt like you understood what a great accomplishment it was for me because every time you would immediately start talking about something else.

'Forgetting: Abusive forgetting is a form of manipulative denial. The abuser bluntly denies the partners reality, and in doing so shuts down any possibility of communication. To her, it feels like a scornful brick wall. We all forget things sometimes; but this is not genuine oblivion; it's denial that an event (interactions, usually) happened at all. These "forgotten" events usually had great impact on a partner. Victims of abusive anger often try to discuss incidents with their abuser to resolve issues in the hopes of avoiding the same explosion in the future. He will deny it ever happened with an accusatory comment like "What are you talking about? I don't have to listen to this!" Some abusers consistently "forget" making the promises which are the most important to their partner, "forgetting" an agreement to some arrangement that she needed his support to succeed at something; like mailing an important work document when she couldn't. "I never agreed to that!" or "I don't know where you got that idea?"' Remember how you promised and we agreed that we would never let a day go by without writing to each other? When that promise slid, it felt like this kind of forgetting.

I was hoping that our friendship would just die a natural, peaceful death. It would have been easier emotionally for both of us if this had happened because we both have had friends who broke a friendship in a particularly explosive and hurtful way. For a while that seemed to be what was happening, but now I see that it won't work. I'm sorry it came down to this, but it's what I want and feel like I need. I know that I will probably still see you at the Aspie groups, but I will not save you a seat next to me, or ask Mom to give you a ride home with me after the group, or go out of my way to make sure we have a ride together if the group goes somewhere else for the Meetup like we did that time we went to the beach. Also, you are welcome to come to church, but Mom and I won't give you a ride there and back, and you are not to sit with us.

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Mom said, when I showed her that letter that it was the most articulate venting letter she'd ever seen and even said she almost wanted to encourage me to send it to him.Only the fact that he'd probably react badly and that it wouldn't do anything to change him kept her from telling me to send it to him.

She also said that I had a good grasp on the subtleties of abuse. without Daily strength, though, I wouldn't have had that. So I wanted to thank everyone on Daily Strength, because without you and your posting your red flags, I would never have seen him as abusive. Yes, I would have cut the friendship, but I wouldn't have understood the severity of what was really going on. So, thank you.
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  1. terrys

    good for you for taking care of youraelf


    terrys

  2. catlover02

    Congratulations for being the person that you need to be in order to take care of yourself. I am really sorry for everything that you have gone through with your friend. I hope that you are ok. Take Care. Dawn


    catlover02

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Thursday, June 18, 2009 | A Painful story

This day started out so great. About a week ago someone from my church offered to have me design a web site for them. It's paid and everything! I was working on that and finally found information that not only is relevant to this project, but to other projects I'm working on. Information that is crucial to being able to design a good web site, and I found it! I was so happy and excited. I felt like I could actually make a living at designing web sites.

 

Tonight I was supposed to go to a meeting of fellow Aspies in the area where I live. It turned out when I got there that the date on the web site was wrong and it had actually been yesterday that the meeting happened. Ooh! I was annoyed at the head of the group for not telling me. I also lost control of my mouth and was rude to a janitor at the meeting place.

 

One other person did show up. A friend of mine named Jonathan. We met through an online dating site and had met face to face at this group because we both have Asperger's Syndrome. Anyway, when we figured out that we'd missed the meeting, we walked to the bus station together to head back home.

 

Once I got back home, Mom and I started talking. I told her about what had happened and I also told her about some of the things that Jonathan and I had talked about. She became upset when I told her about the stuff I talked about with Jonathan. For the past few weeks she has been upset whenever I talked aobut him. She says he's treating me badly. I don't know what to think. I see a small incident here and there. Mom can connect the dots between them when I can't.

 

For example, his birthday was about two weeks ago. He received some money from his parents and decided to use it on a trip to Boston. He left the day after his birthday and stayed until last Monday. During that time I heard from him twice via email. Both times the emails were quite short. At the beginning of the vacation I worried and got upset that he wasn't writing to me. I checked email practically every five minutes, hoping there'd be something there. To keep from doing this, I started on a project which occupied my thoughts and kept me from getting upset. We had been emailing each other every day before he went on vacation. Now that he's back, he hasn't picked up the emailing every day habit like I hoped he would. the only time I heard from him is yesterday he called to ask me about when the meeting was. Not having any information to give him other than what was on the site (and turned out to be faulty) I told him that. He promised he'd write last night and never did.

 

Another thing is that sometimes I have asked him questions in emails and he doesn't answer them. I don't really know how to handle that when he does it. In the beginning of our friendship, I didn't want to seem like a nag, so I never pushed it. Now I've almost gotten used to it.

 

Mom says he's secretive because he doesn't go into details about things like what he does all day. I assumed this was because of his being a fellow Aspie. I remember being like that myself until Mom taught me how to give details, so I assumed it was the same thing with him.

 

I must admit, it's scary about what has happened. I have heard stories aobut how people who knew Mom and Dad thought that there was something wrong with Dad but never said anything because if they did Mom would have defended Dad. I find that's happening with Mom and me. Whenever the subject of Jonathan comes up, Mom gets mad and I get upset and feel like I have to defend him...and we're not even dating!

 

There have been times that I have entertained the idea of Jonathan and I dating, maybe even getting married someday. For a while these daydreams were very strong. I even thought about writing a story about it, but I never did because the first wrinkle in our friendship came along and cut those feelings way back. I haven't been able to get rid of them completely, though.

 

The reason for that is that when we do email and we do spend time in person, I always have such a good time. Time just seems to fly by as we walk around a nearby shopping area we both like or along the shore of a nearby lake, talking or enjoying a comfortable silence. We really get along great when we're together.

 

It's just...Mom sees all these things and can make connections that I just can't see. When I first heard aobut people Mom knew thinking that Dad didn't treat Mom well enough, I decided that if somebody I knew voiced one little concern about a guy I knew and was considering dating, I would at least seriously consider what the person was saying and seriously examine my relationship with this person, if not cut the relationship off completely. With Jonathan, there have been several occasions when Mom has raised concerns tht I have either brushed off or gotten upset and tried to defend him, thinking she was just being suspicious because of what happened with Dad.

 

I actually did write a story about what happened with that first wrinkle in our friendship soon after it happened. I changed our names in the story and posted it on fictionpress.com. Here is a link to it if anybody wants to see it:

 

http://www.fictionpress.com/s/2667728/1/Star_and_Angel

 

After that, Jonathan did email me again, but he was rude in the email. I told him I'd prefer ont to see him at church that week because of my hurt. The week after that, he started coming again.

 

I feel like I should cut it off, but Mom says that I should wait and see. Everyone I know says that I should just be friends with him. I feel like that's impossible because my feelings keep going towards the romantic only to be shot down by something Mom says, or by Jonathan disappearing for a week at a time.

 

I just don't know what to do. I need advice. Anybody have any for me?

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  1. khabri

    It doesn't hurt to wait and see how things are going. Hold back or step back emotionally by taking the time away for a moment. It will help you think clearly.

    Some friends may mean well but you need to search your heart once you are able to step away for a bit. With a lot of relationships trust your gut feelings. If you feel there is cause for concern, then follow that and see where it leads. It doesn't hurt to be sure of how you are feeling.

    Can you take a long time away from the relationship and then see how you feel about him after some months away? Take the time to nurture yourself and treat yourself like the beautiful person you are.


    khabri

  2. ABashfulBeauty

    Hi hun, I agree with khabri, just wait and see how things are going. Maybe he was mean bcuz he was upset over something (not you) and maybe he was taking it out on you. Please keep us updated hun. Lots of hugs!


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  3. tlynnc

    wait and see. For one thing in regards to details, guys are not detailed in general. I dont know what type of details hes leaving out. But, Maybe he doesnt know how he feels about you, he may feel pressured? I dont know the whole situation. But you should try pulling away and meeting new people with potential romantic interest. If you feel like hes jerking you around. Maybe tell him how you feel and see his reaction. I know this is scary but you have to know so you can either move forward together romantically or remain just friends.


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  4. aspiespouse

    I think your Mum is just trying to protect you. I went out with a man against my moters advice when I was your age. I got hurt, it took me about 5 years to get over it, but I learnt a lot. Your Mum is trying to help you avoid hurt and pain. I dare say I will try to help my daughter avoid heartache when she starts dating, but whether she will listen or not....who knows. My standard advice about relationships is when they give you more pain than pleasure you should end them (this is for unmarried people without children). Worrying all week and enjoying a few hours with a man is not a good balance. Also he probably is not interested in you romantically and if he is he is not showing it. If you were able to have a relationship with him my guess is that it would not come out as one that causes you more pleasure than pain and will not last. If a man likes you, you usually know it. My husband has aspergers and when we were dating I was in no doubt that he was interested romantically. Life was not perfect after marriage, but before it was pretty good. Listen to your Mum.


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  5. emsinmanchester

    Hi Estrella

    I am not sure what advice to give because I can see it from both points of view and I am concerned that if you can get upset when he doesn't contact when you're just friends, what might happen once you have invested more in him. I don't have aspergers so I cannot comment on whether his behaviour is typical or not. On the other hand, life is about taking risks and I would hate to be recommending that you live in fear, because, then your life would be like mine - not living at all!

    Tred carefully if you are going to tred!

    And keep us informed, we can help!


    emsinmanchester

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