The Wisconsin Tourist Federation has changed its name after being made aware that its acronym WTF had become crude internet slang.
The Moro Islamic Liberation Front, however, is standing firm.
(stolen from glenn reynolds)
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In the past half century scientists have repeatedly discovered that the basic laws of physics are uncannily suited for the existence of life. From a purely scientific viewpoint, this is shocking. A scientific universe is an impersonal universe. Nonconscious atoms and molecules cannot be said to take any notice of us or to be concerned in the slightest whether life exists or whether the universe is nothing more than barren space interrupted by the occasional planet. Yet, despite this scientific viewpoint, the universe screams out that it is fine-tuned for the existence of life.
Let me quote Richard Dawkins, one of the world's leading atheists and author of "The God Delusion" about these basic facts. Inside the nucleus of every atom is a force that holds the atoms' protons tightly together. Physicists call it the "strong" force. Dawkins says, "If the strong force were too small, say .006 instead of .007, the universe would contain nothing but hydrogen, and no interesting chemistry could result. [which means that no life could exist] If it were too large, say .008, all the hydrogen would have fused to make heavier elements. A chemistry without hydrogen could not generate life as we know it. . . .The Goldilocks value--.007--is just right." (God Delusion pg 171).
The December 2008 issue of Discover, a mainstream science magazine, looked at the fine-tuning of the universe and said this: "Tweak the laws of physics in just about any way . . and life as we know it would not exist." and this: "In some strange sense, it appears that we are not adapted to the universe; the universe is adapted to us." and this: "There are many such examples of the universe's life-friendly properties--so many, in fact, that physicists can't dismiss them all as mere accidents."
Or consider this from BioLogos, a foundation run by Dr. Francis Collins. (Dr. Collins was the head of the Human Genome Project which sequenced all of human DNA. He was recently appointed by President Obama to head the National Institute of Health. Full disclosure: Dr. Collins is a Christian). "Another interesting example of a finely-tuned initial condition is the critical density of the universe. In order to evolve in a life-sustaining manner, the universe must have maintained an extremely precise overall density. The precision of density must have been so great that a change of one part in 1015 (i.e. 0.0000000000001%) would have resulted in a collapse, or big crunch, occurring far too early for life to have developed, or there would have been an expansion so rapid that no stars, galaxies or life could have formed.9 This degree of precision would be like a blindfolded man choosing a single lucky penny in a pile large enough to pay off the United States’ national debt."
None of these are controversial facts. This isn't like the debate about evolution where scientists are on one side and some religious believers are on another. In this case, religious believers and atheists alike acknowledge that science demonstrates that the universe appears to be made with life in mind. So how do atheists and non-believing scientists get around this problem? They tend to give one of two answers. Either they say that it's just a bizarre coincidence, or they posit an infinite number of universes--often called "the multiverse"--and then say that we simply happen to be live in one of the infinite number of universes that is fit for human life.
It's quite ironic because either of these "explanations" destroys science's best arguments against God. Let's start with the atheist response that all these life-enabling laws of physics are just a coincidence without any explanation. Yet, normally atheists argue that the scientific worldview is superior to the religious worldview because science explains everything and eliminates mystery. But here science ENDS in mystery! Science ultimately says, "I have no idea why the universe seems to be designed as if it knew life was coming. There is no explanation. There is only mystery." Here, science exasperatedly throws up its hands just as much as any religious believer who can't fathom God's will and says, "Only God knows."
A different version of the problem occurs if an atheist attempts to take refuge in the idea of the multiverse. Normally, scientists will say to a religious believer, "We can explain so much without positing any extra entities like God. If we can explain everything through science, why bring God into the picture at all? What work does God do? Why say that God even exists?" And yet look at what the atheist does here! Look how the atheist ends up positing something they can neither see, hear, or feel! The religious believer may posit one God that they cannot prove, but here the atheist is positing an infinite number of universes that they cannot prove!
So I ask everyone reading this--what is the most believable answer from the three choices available to us?:
1. that there is absolutely no explanation for the fact that the universe is designed for life
2. That we should imagine an infinite number of universes just so we can explain how one universe could appear to be designed for life
3. that God exists and designed the universe with life in mind.
You know my answer
Since, I am a Christian, people may doubt whether I’ve been honest with the quotes and scientific facts I’ve presented. That is why I’ve tried to quote for the most part from nonreligious scientific and atheist sources. If anyone wants to verify that I’ve used these sources honestly, I am including links to the papers found on the web. And you can read pages 169 to about 180 in Richard Dawkisns “The God Delusion” to see where he professes his belief in the multiverse
Here is the link to the article in Discover, a scientific magazine:
http://discovermagazine.com/2008/dec/10-sciences-alternative-to-an-intelligent-creator
Here is the link to BioLogos, a foundation that seeks to combine religion and science run by the leader of the Human Genome Project and President Obama’s pick to head the National Institute of Health
http://biologos.org/questions/fine-tuning/
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I think it's great to believe in God. But cherry picking facts to support your argument is not science.
Question 1 is loaded. The universe is loaded with molecules that combine and recombine in various ways, and one of those many ways produces life.
The universe being infinite means God exists? There's no logical path to that conclusion from those data. The Catholic church thought that admitting the Earth circles the moon would make people lose faith. Obviou8sly, they were wrong. If you're defining God as "that which is unnameable", then I think you can go some place with this argument. If your definition is the more common one, then you're just making the conclusion you want to believe in.
Number 3 seems to be number 1 repeated. The Universe is not made for life. Most planets will be lifeless. The Universe was made by and for chemical reactions at the atomic, molecular and sub-atomic levels. A small minority of those reactions produce life.
Pseudo-science such as Intelligent design is ruining the futures of children who are taught to believe it. How can they get into the best Universities if they flunk basic science?
Again, it's great to believe in God. But it's the use of pseudo-science that is the threat to America's prosperous future.
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Blunt--very well structured and supported. Scrooched--as to the definition of God, that is exactly why Blunt did not go into detail about it in this entry. He never made any presumptions here that God is more than "some Divine Force"--he only uses the likelihood of a Divine Force to contribute to his belief. As far as the validity of Intelligent Design, it is not definite proof. A God could not be proven, because by definition he is non-physical and therefore untestable by scientific method. On the other hand, we put our faith in many things because of the likelihood of those things and the lack of other explanations. Gravity is the most obvious example. Do we know without a doubt that gravity is what is really holding us down, and it isn't some other unknown force? No, we do not know 100%. There is some likelihood, however slim, that the theory is wrong.
Blunt--very well structured and supported. Scrooched--as to the definition of God, that is exactly why Blunt did not go into detail about it in his entry. He never made any presumptions here that God is more than some Divine Force--he only uses the likelihood of a Divine Force to contribute to his belief. As far as the validity of Intelligent Design, it is not definite proof. A God could not be proven, because by definition he is non-physical and therefore unable to be tested by scientific method. On the other hand, we put our faith in many things because of the likelihood of those things and the lack of other explanations. Gravity is the most obvious example. Do we know without a doubt that gravity is what is really holding us down, and it isn't some other unknown force? No, we do not know 100%. There is some likelihood, however slim, that the theory is wrong.
When it comes to Intelligent Design, no one will argue that the universe expanding from the Big Bang (another theory, by the way) was very very lucky. Blunt gives his own examples of remarkable instances of complexity. In the end, we have very few explanations for these unlikely events, and a God is one of the only solutions we have, and the most probable one. Note I do not specifically say the Christian God; the proof only implies a supernatural creator with intentions for purpose. A purpose that would take a whole other discussion to define; but intentional creations are made for a purpose.
You give me another explanation for this indisputable (Blunt has already sufficiently supported that) complexity.
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Scrooched,
There is no pseudo-science in this journal entry. As I noted in the entry, not a single piece of science I cited is controversial. Atheists and religious believers both agree on it. I specifically cited non-religious sources to back everything up. I also specifically gave the links to those sources so people could see for themselves whether I was "cherry picking."
Let me clear one thing up with your accusation that I'm using pseudo-science. I think you are conflating what I am talking about with people who deny Darwinian evolution and instead advocate "intelligent design" in biology. I will have nothing to do with any of that. I would fight to teach my children genuine science instead of that type of pseudo-science. But evolution by natural selection takes place in the realm of biology. Everything I wrote about in this journal takes place in the realm of physics.
Again, I ask you to read Dawkins "The God Delusion" and see for yourself that he explicitly endorses the absolutely unproved multiverse theory in order to evade belief in God. The Discover magazine piece is much shorter and reaches the same conclusion. As for Biologos, it is one of the leading religious websites that fights against pseudo-science. You'll find many articles there explaining the science behind evolution and natural selection.
You speak far too quickly when you accuse me of pseudo-science. I am not the stereotypical Christian you assume me to be
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1. that there is absolutely no explanation for the fact that the universe is designed for life
finding the source that moves and hold together ie..the "glue" ingredient of the universe is impossible... because it can only be done by looking outside the experiement.. and since we are part of it..it would be like trying to taste your own tongue. its an endless chase for that which evades us.. ourselves.
2. That we should imagine an infinite number of universes just so we can explain how one universe could appear to be designed for life
yes, this is true. there are an infinite number of universes. Just stop for a moment and look at a simple tree, first you see it, then sense it, then smell it, then visualize its energy, then move in closer and see more...the bark, whats in there? the roots the sap and all the senses of these new places...
everything is an infinite number of universes all the time... its ONe essence appearing allways in all-ways.
3. that God exists and designed the universe with life in mind.
there is synchronicity as life. for example we are like bikers, the motion carries us and balances and keeps us moving, but the initial force to get going on the bike comes from the first push off which is us... or then agian...where does that push off come from...oh a thought? hmmm but where did the thought come from... and the chase goes on and on...
an endless evading mystery....the more you try to capture it and find the answer the deeper you go...and eventually return to the self..
"Subversive" is the LAST word I'd expect most people to associate with Christianity. Religion--especially Christianity--in our modern mindset is about "telling people what to do." It's about "not letting people be themselves." The problem is compounded in America with the association of Christianity with the Republican party. The common stereotype is that the democrats are for "change" (see Barack Obama) while the Republicans are for the "status quo." Critics of religion see this "attempt to control others" as the essence of religion. Atheists talk about "liberating" believers from power hungry priests who take advantage of them. Marx derided religion as "the opiate of the masses" and thought it was one of the greatest obstacles to creating a better world here in this life. After all, if you get the mass of people focused on the world to come, won't that take away their energy from making this world a better place?
So how can I seriously maintain that Christianity is subversive? Easy. The whole Bible is subversive. The Bible isn't a rulebook. Contrary to what people think, very little of it is written in the style of the Ten Commandments. The whole of the Bible is the story of God intervening to rescue a broken fallen world. The absolutely fascinating thing is HOW God goes about interacting with the world. Time and time again throughout the Bible, God rejects the world's values--the world's power structures--and points to greater values.
Unfortunately for us, much of the Bible was written by cultures whose norms are alien to us. So when we read the Bible, we miss how subversively God is acting. Let me give an example. In ancient cultures, the eldest son in the family was the inheritor of the family's wealth. So the eldest son controlled everything after the father. A good example of this is how kings pass on their crown. The eldest son is the first in line for the throne. He gets to own everything.
Yet, in the Bible time and time again, the eldest son is not the one that God chooses to work through. God works through Abraham's younger son Isaac instead of Ishmael. God works through Isaac's younger son Jacob instead of Esau. When the prophet Samuel is looking for the true King of Israel, God leads him to Jesse's house, and Jesse brings out his seven oldest sons for Samuel to choose from. When Samuel sees Jesse's oldest son and sees how big and strong he is, Samuel thinks "Surely the Lord's annointed stands here." But God answers Samuel by saying "Do not consider his appearance or his height . . .The Lord does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart." Then God tells Samuel that the one God has chosen to be King of Israel is not any of the oldest seven sons but the "runt of the litter" who is in the field tending the sheep. In other words, the one God chose didn't even seem worthy by society's standards to be a candidate for consideration.
I don't want to give the impression that it's only with men that God interacts in subversive ways. If societies throughout the ages have too often valued a man's worth only by his physical strength and material acquisitions, societies have also too often reduced a woman's value to her physical beauty. Yet, just as God subverts the world's values in so many other ways, He does so again when it comes to society viewing women as nothing more than their looks. There is a great story early on in the Bible where Jacob sees a beautiful woman named Rachel and immediately falls in love with her. He is so stricken with her beauty that he agrees to work for Rachel's father for seven years to earn her hand in marriage. But Rachel's father plays a trick on Jacob after the seven years. He gives his other daughter Leah--who is described as physically unattractive--to Jacob instead. Yet, Jacob is so smitten with Rachel that he agrees to work another seven years to win Rachel's hand. All this time Leah is miserable. She feels ugly and is desperate to be loved by Jacob. All this is important because Jacob is later renamed Israel, and the whole of Israel are the tribes that are descended from each of his twelve sons. The fascinating end of this story is that all the greatest hereos of Israel come from Leah. King David is one of her descendents. Jesus is another one. Leah was the unattractive girl that nobody wanted, and yet it was through her line that God would bring the messiah into the world to save humanity. God chose her even if the world (and her husband) did not.
Even the selection of Israel itself as God's chosen people is subversive. The tribes of Israel were nobodies. If it wasn't for the Bible we would scarcely know they existed. They never had massive lands or empires like their neighbors in Egypt or Persia or Babylon or Assyria. In terms of worldly power, they were the geopolitical runt of the litter. And yet--and this is a cause for such wonder!--now the majority of religious believers around the world take their faith from this tiny, seemingly insignificant set of tribes. Christianity and Islam are both Abrahamic traditions that accept the God of Israel. Christianity believes that Jesus was the fulfillment of the Hebrew Scriptures. Islam believes that the Koran is the perfect word of God that corrects the errors in the Jewish and Christian Bibles. Islam accepts the Hebrew prophets but think that Mohammad provided God's final and true revelation. So I ask all atheists, all agnostics, all skeptics: How is this possible? How could the idea of God that one small people who never conquered more than a fraction of the world's territory come to conquer the religious beliefs of the rest of the world? Today both Islam and Christianity are spreading like wildfire throughout the world: africa, asia, south america, you name it. Many people believe that in a matter of decades China will become the world's largest Christian country. God could have picked a people with the earthly domaince that the world values and respects to bring His word into the world. Instead, God was subversive; he chose tiny Israel.
God's subersiveness to the world's values does not stop at the Old Testament. The story of Jesus and the New Testament is even more subversive. Christians believe that God became flesh in Jesus. That means that when God chose to be born as a human, He deliberately chose not to be born in a majestic palace, but in a dirty manger, in a place where animals would eat. God did not come into the world as a warrior-hero, but as a lowly carpenter. But most importantly, in Christianity, God did not triumph by anything the world would recognize as victory. Instead, Jesus is killed by crucifixation, a punishment reserved for the lowest of the low. A few decades ago an edgy and anti-Christian comedian named Lenny Bruce liked to rile up audiences by saying, "If Jesus had died today, Christians would be wearing little electric chairs around their necks." Lenny Bruce was trying to show his listeners that Christianity isn't the nice respectable religion that good middle class people like to think it is. The irony is that he was absolutely right that Christianity isn't some pleasant respectable middle class religion. It's something much greater and more wondrous than that. The opening lines of a book on church history I recently read put it well: "Christianity is the only major world religion that begins with the humiliation of its god." This is subversion of the world's values on the highest level.
Lastly, in order to understand how subversive Christianity truly is, one must step outside of our own time and look at the context in which Christianity emerged. This was a time when Rome ruled most of the known world, when the emperor--or "Caesar"--of Rome was for all practical purposes the ruler of the world. Christians deliberately applied to Jesus the language the Roman emperor used to describe himself. The Roman emperor called himself the greek word "kurios" meaning "Lord." The early Christians took that same word and applied it to Jesus. What they were saying to the Roman emperor was that he isn't the real Lord; instead, this man who died as a lowly criminal is the real Lord of the world. And untold numbers of early Christians went to their deaths at the hands of the worlds' powers because they believed so strongly in that fact.
Forget what you have heard. Forget what you think you know. Real Christianity is as subversive as it gets.
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Christianity used to be subversive.
As you pointed out, one problem is the definition. As far as I'm concerned, people who follow the teachings of Christ are Christians. But the dialogue is dominated by people who have let their fear turn Christianity into a weapon of hate. And as long as those people are dominant, it's going to be hard for many to feel OK with the religion.
If Jesus returned to Earth today, Fox "News" and Rush would denounce him as a Socialist and a Communist (two words they can't even define) and incite people into violence against him. They'd crucify him again, and Bill O'Reilly would bring the nails.
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Scrooched, I agree with much of what you say. Jesus predicted that there would be plenty of people who would do things in His name who never knew Him. I also agree that Christians should be wary of being seen as simply an arm of the republican party. Because if people see Christians just as a part of the republican party, then when they dislike republicans they will also dislike Christianity (or what they think is Christianity) too.
Personally, I think the Gospel message contains so many things that challenge BOTH liberals and conservatives.
The one place I disagree with you on is that I don't think it's fair to judge Christianity as a whole by some of the worst people who do things in its name. There were a lot of Nazis who thought they were contributing to "survival of the fittest" by killing the Jews. That doesn't mean I think Darwin is disproved.
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Well put, Blunt. I can see how subversiveness is indeed a theme within Christianity. And you know I have no preconceptions, because I know close to nothing about it.
I don't think religion developed as a means of gaining control. Things just happen, and certain people take advantage. Individuals. Religion itself doesn't decide what you do, it can only make suggestions. And even though most religions encourage leadership, it does so only because of the obvious reasons: for guidance and general order among its members. Just like you could have any political leader who may or may not take advantage of his post. But will we blame the concept of government? I think very few people misunderstand the need for some semblance of leadership.






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ellychelly
*laughs histericaly* that is way to funny
Ineedhelp2008
That's hilarious! Lol!
sassybp
They don't mind the extra spiciness. LOL
Humunculus
2 funny. Remember when North Carolina had to redo a bunch of license plates because the computer generated ones made a batch that had WTF and then three numbers.
Marah
LOL
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