Discussion Topic
whats comes after life.
Posted on 06/08/09, 07:14 am
Hello again, I was just wondering what everyone thinks happens to us once we die, do you think lights out over, reincarnation, heaven/hell, boogy ghosts wondering the ends of the earth.
In case you were wondering I was thinking maybe a little heaven followed by reincarnation.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm lets see :)))
In case you were wondering I was thinking maybe a little heaven followed by reincarnation.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm lets see :)))
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Reply #1 06/08/09 10:29am
I've been all over on this topic; currently am leaning toward reincarnation, much as it is presented in Buddhism. The problem I have with it is the evergrowing, out of control world population, not sure how it all fits. Sorry, just woke up and haven't had my coffee yet, so can't quite express my confusion...oh well. -
Reply #2 06/09/09 12:46am
Hmm I don't really know. I like to think you move on to another adventure of life. That might mean some are reincarnated and others like spirits or angels as we call them go to another place and pop in every now and then to guide some of us in the right direction in the life we live now. I also think some get confused and do not want to let go of the old life so they perhaps are caught between places. In all aspects I don't think it is lights out, I just think there are places we go that we are blind to see now. I do think there are many places out there and each person is destined to travel to one of them. -
Reply #3 06/09/09 11:53am
I am currently reading a lot of books on NDE (near death experience) and find it fascinating. There are no real experts on this subject since all of the experts have passed away LOL, but I have noticed a few things. One is that all of the self proclaimed experts (do I need to name names?) give a different description of the here after. No two seem to agree on what will happen, so I turned to the common man. Some doctors have been interviewing patients that 'die' on the table and keeping record and testimony. I find the children NDE's the most compelling. -
Reply #4 06/10/09 7:03am
If I told you that there was a real person, that lives on a different continent from you , and that was all I told you, and I asked you to draw a picture of that person, and told you that you may or you may not find out if the picture looked like the person at all, but only after your dead, would you even be interested in drawing the picture in the first place? Would you hang that picture up, if you did decide to draw it, and use it as some sort of thing to look at as reality for the rest of your life. looking at it every day and spending time in your life thinking about that person in your little picture? Would you show that picture to all your friends and tell them you knew that this is exactly how the person in wherever looks? And imagine what the name of that person was and take that as their real name and call them by it?
Another idea: There is two scenarios. A and B. In both scenarios, the present moment is exactly the same as it really is. Nothing is different then it really, truly is right now. All truths are the same in either scenario as they are right now for you. In scenario A, when you die, you continue on in one form or anther. In scenario B, when you die, that is it, you die. The thing that you are in life ceases to be. So in either scenario, what is really different? This is exactly has it is, right now. Your present situation is your present situation.
To me, any thought of the afterlife is simply either intellectual entertainment or some gimmick or hook to get you to go along with some religious dogma and rituals. Intellectual entertainment, there is nothing wrong with that, if you see it as it really is and can be enjoyed fully when seen truthfully, but gimmicks are just that and nothing more. But what about the truth of the present moment? To me, any divinity would surely be found only there and nowhere else.
As far as intellectual entertainment goes, i like to think there is something after death and not a single human being that ever lived has guessed right about what that is. I do enjoy all the stories about NDE, but what if the truth is that it takes 24 hours for the energy that is consciousness to dissipate back into the physical world after the body dies. Certainly, there would be NDE without proof of some afterlife longer then 24 hours, anyway. -
Reply #5 06/10/09 10:44pm
This is a good post. I find that each of the replies are quite interesting on what each of us perceives regarding what comes after life. Schmanek, you made some interesting thoughts and opinions on your take of this issue. Kind of reminded me of a person that likes proof in the pudding so to speak lol.
I don't know if I would go as far as to say that everyone's thoughts on life after death would be considered just intellectual entertainment though. For those people out there that have experienced NDE well until I have seen and felt what they did I would have to say my mind is quite open to their journey and what they may have experienced. Since there is so much unknown in the world one really can't prove what lies beyond and one can't totally rule out any belief or thought as to what happens after life. I do say some things must be taken with a grain of salt though.
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Reply #6 06/12/09 5:18am
I do believe in reincarnation, I think the new finding in quantum physics, and cellular and genetic biology have moved me toward that conclusion. Our body just biological computers who receives signals from elsewhere, which means that our souls are not even in our bodies. Bruce Lipton a leading genetics expert, say that all of our cells have antennas attached to them which receives signals, signal is our conscience or one may call it soul. -
Reply #7 06/12/09 1:02pm
This is a very interesting question/discussion. But what about the question - What comes before life? If we are everlasting, wouldn't we have been something before life? -
Reply #8 06/12/09 1:45pm
I'm also enjoying this. I'm wondering how I'll define 'life' from now on. Because, if there is a soul/mind/energy that is eternal, then it always was and always will be...shape or form may shift, that's all; so can there really be an 'after' or 'before'?
OR, 'life' is the unspoken assumption I think we began with here: these bodies with heartbeats. So by that standard we're back to the what's next/before question. If there is a Oneness that has fragmented, then that Oneness always was, with no beginning. All form will eventually return to this source, that's the after.
I'm winging it, probably obvious, lol, but am thoroughly enjoying myself. I'm a Unitarian Universalist...years ago when I first started visiting a local UU church, I read their newsletter, a joke was made about how followers of various faiths would react in heaven. The punchline went, "The Unitarians would start a friendly discussion just outside the Pearly Gates, debating whether it was really there". This group gives me that same, fun feeling that we can just talk about whatever, open ourselves to fresh perspectives. Am very glad to be here. -
Reply #9 06/12/09 6:22pm
Niffer64, you bring up a very good topic, the definition of life. maybe it is time for humankind to reexamine that definition and see if it might need to be changed.
I am starting to look at it in this way: There are two basic forces at work in the universe. The one is the force of disintegration. The entropy described in the second law of thermodynamics, loosely, anyway. That matter tends to decay and break down on it's own. That complex forms of matter will break down into simpler ones.
The other is the self organizational force. the one that takes simple matter and creates a more complex system out of them. This force, to me, is life. Including the evolution of species, the forming of , stars, star systems and, galaxies.
But, knowing that any opposite is not really separate from whatever it is opposite from, but that, the two are really part of a bigger one, always, this leads me to believe that these two forces are two halves of the one force. The arising and the passing away. The creation and the death forces. They continually work together to create and recreate all that we know.
Maybe the whole thing can be considered life. Maybe there is really nothing before or after life. Okay, I might be off on a tangent here. Just some thoughts I have.... -
Reply #10 06/12/09 8:34pm
Wow did you flash me back about 26 years, Schmanek, with that last reply. When I first met my husband, I was pretty much a blank slate on a variety of topics, including faith, the existence of god, etc. My husband, raised christian in the United Church of Christ (pretty darned liberal bunch of Christians by the way)basically said that decay is the natural 'order' of everything, that the existence of order is proof positive of God.
Anyway, that was just a pleasant trip down memory lane. So hey, thanks!
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