No you are not a bad Daughter. You are doing the right thing. Here is something that might help you. Big HUGS!! LisaACOA ~XX~
DETACHMENT - AL-ANON Posted on 04/17/08, 03:13 am Detachment is neither kind nor unkind. It does not imply judgement or condemnation of the person or situation from which we are detaching. Seperating ourselves from the adverse effects of another person alcoholism can be a means of detaching: this does not neccessarily require physical seperation. Detatchment can help us look at our situations realistically and objectively.
Alcoholism is a family disease. Living with the effects of someone else's drinking is devastating for most people to bear without help.
In Al-Anon we learn nothing we say or do can cause or stop someones else's drinking. We are not responsible for another person's disease or recovery from it.
Detatchment allows us to let go of our obsession with another's behavior and begin to lead happier and more manageable lives, lives with dignity and rights, lives guided by a Power greater than ourselves. We can still love the person without liking the behavior.
IN AL-ANON WE LEARN:
*Not to suffer because of the actions or reactions of other people
*Not to allow ourselves to be used or abused by others in the interest of another's recovery
*Not to do for others what they can do for themselves
*Not to manipulate situations so others will eat, go to bed, get up, pay bills, not drink, or behave to see fit
*Not to cover up another's mistakes or misdeeds
*Not to create a crisis
*Not to prevent a crisis if it is in the natural course of events
By learning to focus on ourselves, our attitudes and well-being improve. We allow the alcoholics in our lives to experience the consequences of their own actions.
Discussion Topic
Am i a bad daughter?
Posted on 08/30/09, 07:59 am
Almost a month ago i finally made the decision to completely let my mother go. I cut her off 100% after being there and supporting her for 100% of the time since we got reconnected...I am almost twenty now, and hadn't talked to her for 8 1/2 yrs because i was bitter about being taken away from her by the state when i was nine. I finally regained contact with her when i went away to college. I was her pen pal as my older brother called it because she was in jail at the time...I still have the countless letters full of love and jokes and tons of cards she used to send me...Anywho, long story short, since that reconnection two years ago it has been non-stop drama; in other words, more relapses i can count. Screaming at her that she's not going to the store for more beer as i'm on the phone with a rehab center. Getting off the train for my christmas visit only to get back on twenty minutes later because she was piss drunk. Getting so stressed out that capillaries actually burst in and around my eyes and on my neck. Detoxing her myself because no hospital would because she was only out of rehab for two days. It's been insane, but i kept making the endless "if you do this one more time" threat. Well, finally i snapped.
After her last two or three relapses, she started to grow even more and more bitter. Giving everyone an attitude and hating the world. And God help you if you didn't agree with her, or asked her to try and see things from a different view point. I was the only one in the safe zone, as far as i know. She tried her attitude with me once, and i put her ass in line telling her that if anyone had a right to be mad at her, it was me. It was me! me! me! me! me! I know. selfish, but true in my opinion. Anyways, about a week before my brothers wedding (she was not invited because both my brother and i feared how that would go) she called me and started one of her usual rants about him. I just sat back and half listened as per usual because it was the same old shit, until my ears perked up at the "i'm going to say something to him about the money he owes you. I'm going to call him and tell him what a piece of shit he is" My brother and i have a business arrangement that she wasn't even supposed to know about but i couldn't lie to her. Well we went back and forth about how it's not her business, and she argued that it was for like forty five minutes. Finally she said she promised she'd try her best to keep her initial promise to me and not say anything. I told her to call me when she was in a better mood later. Ten minutes later, i get a phone call. Apparently, trying her best was hanging up with me and immediately calling my brother, a week before his wedding. I screamed i hung up on her, intended to cool down and let bygones be bygones. Well, then my nephew, her grandson that she's yet to met, again because of her alcoholism, was brought into the conversation. I said how much i loved him etc, and then her bitter ass goes and says, "why? he's a little bastard. He's nothing but a prick like his father. He runs from you" Well, let me make something clear...he ran from me after not seeing me for six months because i moved 600 miles away! after a day or so i taught him how to take his own myspace pics...and he's not even two yet! lol Well, that sent me over the edge. Hurt me, call me what you want, i can take the abuse; but if you think for a second you are going to trash talk my twenty month old nephew because you're bitter that you'll never be able to meet him because you can't stay sober, and we have a problem. I told her she was a stupid c-word (i hate that word with a passion, i swear i never use it unless i'm completely over the top heated which is VERY rare) and told her to go f-herself. I hung up, called the phone company and cancelled the cellphone i had for her in my name because her credit was too shot from all the times she relapsed and ignored her bills, and intended to never speak to her again. Well, i had to call her about a week or two ago because she was calling and leaving me countless drunken emails, and then called and harrassed my older brother, and then left me a nasty voicemail after that. I swear, she is so bipolar, I'd get nice i love you messages, and then ones that said i was nothing but an asshole exactly like my brother. I found it more hilarious than anything at first, but it got to be entirely too much. Especially the one that said "Hey moo, it's mom. listen, theres a storm coming and the sky is really dark and you can tell it's going to thunder and lightening real bad, and i just wanted to say....I hope it's your brother's wedding. I love you, byeee" and she said it sweet as pie, had me thinking she was going to try and rope me in by reminding me of how we used to watch storms together, and she said that crap!! WTF?!
Either way, i called her and told her that she needed to leave me alone and fought with her about how she was drunk in half the freaking voicemails she left me, and even drunker at that moment while we were talking. She tried fighting with me that she wasn't as she slurred her words, she was almost incomprehensible. Realizing that it was turning into the same pattern, i threw a couple of not so nice phrases at her again, and told her to have a nice life....I had never cursed at my mother in my entire life up until now. I was always nice. Even when i was mad, i was nice, and i'm not gonna lie, it felt really good to finally let it all out, and it feels even better now that i don't speak to her anymore. I don't have to spend everyday trying to decipher her phone calls and texts and worry about whether she's drunk or not. But at the same time i feel guilty. I feel like i have abandoned her. I keepp trying to remind myself that she's the one who abandoned me by continually picking up that bottle, but it doesn't make me feel any better.
I know this is a rather long rant, and trust me, this is the short version, but i need to know...am i doing the right thing? or am i the worst daughter in the world?
After her last two or three relapses, she started to grow even more and more bitter. Giving everyone an attitude and hating the world. And God help you if you didn't agree with her, or asked her to try and see things from a different view point. I was the only one in the safe zone, as far as i know. She tried her attitude with me once, and i put her ass in line telling her that if anyone had a right to be mad at her, it was me. It was me! me! me! me! me! I know. selfish, but true in my opinion. Anyways, about a week before my brothers wedding (she was not invited because both my brother and i feared how that would go) she called me and started one of her usual rants about him. I just sat back and half listened as per usual because it was the same old shit, until my ears perked up at the "i'm going to say something to him about the money he owes you. I'm going to call him and tell him what a piece of shit he is" My brother and i have a business arrangement that she wasn't even supposed to know about but i couldn't lie to her. Well we went back and forth about how it's not her business, and she argued that it was for like forty five minutes. Finally she said she promised she'd try her best to keep her initial promise to me and not say anything. I told her to call me when she was in a better mood later. Ten minutes later, i get a phone call. Apparently, trying her best was hanging up with me and immediately calling my brother, a week before his wedding. I screamed i hung up on her, intended to cool down and let bygones be bygones. Well, then my nephew, her grandson that she's yet to met, again because of her alcoholism, was brought into the conversation. I said how much i loved him etc, and then her bitter ass goes and says, "why? he's a little bastard. He's nothing but a prick like his father. He runs from you" Well, let me make something clear...he ran from me after not seeing me for six months because i moved 600 miles away! after a day or so i taught him how to take his own myspace pics...and he's not even two yet! lol Well, that sent me over the edge. Hurt me, call me what you want, i can take the abuse; but if you think for a second you are going to trash talk my twenty month old nephew because you're bitter that you'll never be able to meet him because you can't stay sober, and we have a problem. I told her she was a stupid c-word (i hate that word with a passion, i swear i never use it unless i'm completely over the top heated which is VERY rare) and told her to go f-herself. I hung up, called the phone company and cancelled the cellphone i had for her in my name because her credit was too shot from all the times she relapsed and ignored her bills, and intended to never speak to her again. Well, i had to call her about a week or two ago because she was calling and leaving me countless drunken emails, and then called and harrassed my older brother, and then left me a nasty voicemail after that. I swear, she is so bipolar, I'd get nice i love you messages, and then ones that said i was nothing but an asshole exactly like my brother. I found it more hilarious than anything at first, but it got to be entirely too much. Especially the one that said "Hey moo, it's mom. listen, theres a storm coming and the sky is really dark and you can tell it's going to thunder and lightening real bad, and i just wanted to say....I hope it's your brother's wedding. I love you, byeee" and she said it sweet as pie, had me thinking she was going to try and rope me in by reminding me of how we used to watch storms together, and she said that crap!! WTF?!
Either way, i called her and told her that she needed to leave me alone and fought with her about how she was drunk in half the freaking voicemails she left me, and even drunker at that moment while we were talking. She tried fighting with me that she wasn't as she slurred her words, she was almost incomprehensible. Realizing that it was turning into the same pattern, i threw a couple of not so nice phrases at her again, and told her to have a nice life....I had never cursed at my mother in my entire life up until now. I was always nice. Even when i was mad, i was nice, and i'm not gonna lie, it felt really good to finally let it all out, and it feels even better now that i don't speak to her anymore. I don't have to spend everyday trying to decipher her phone calls and texts and worry about whether she's drunk or not. But at the same time i feel guilty. I feel like i have abandoned her. I keepp trying to remind myself that she's the one who abandoned me by continually picking up that bottle, but it doesn't make me feel any better.
I know this is a rather long rant, and trust me, this is the short version, but i need to know...am i doing the right thing? or am i the worst daughter in the world?
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Reply #1 08/30/09 12:25pm
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Reply #2 09/02/09 8:12pm
No, you are not a bad daughter. However, ou must realize you cannot get sober for her. You cannot make her drink. You do not tie her down and pour it down your mouth. She makes that decision all by herself. Just as you cannot make her drink, you also cannot maker herself well. Right now, it does not sound as if she has any reason to want to change. She is getting what she wants.
I believe that the next time she calls tell her that you will no longer waste your time listening to her drunken rants. If she starts one of her rants anyway, just say 'Mom, I meant what I said. I love you. Please don't call me again unless you are sober"
She will not change until she percieves there is something bad enough in her life to be a real crisis. Then she might, at least for a while.
I agree with Lisa, detach with love. If not, she may pull you down to her level. -
Reply #3 09/04/09 4:06am
I always heard, the best thing for me, is to look at my reactions to life still and with that the healing process begins. Through AA, Alanon,Acoa, an arsenal of books, after being sober and many therapy sessions I've gotten more familiar with the issues, still affecting me as adult, who was raised in a messed up family. With continuous Clean_an sober time I've been able to make progress with detachment and clinging to old behavior produced and accepted by me , from that messed up family.
Best wishes to you,
Billy -
Reply #4 10/09/09 9:24pm
bump!!




