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HPV Vaccine could do more harm than good
Posted in Infertility by Lee Trask on Nov 23, 2008

The Human papillomavirus Virus, or HPV, comes in many forms, (over 100!), but there are 4 strains of the virus that account for a majority of cervical cancer, and genital warts. It is the most common sexually transmitted disease, and it infects the mucus membranes and skin. While most cases of HPV are documented in women, it can infect men as well, although it is not as common.


Now many of us have come in contact with the virus, perhaps in our teens or 20’s. In most cases, the immune system will overcome the virus within about two years, without ever causing symptoms or trouble. However, for some women (and it is not understood why), the virus is not killed off by the body, and remains in the cervical area. In these cases, abnormal cells begin to develop. These abnormal cells can develop into cervical cancer. Cervical cancer is not passed down genetically; rather it is caused by the HPV virus. (This virus can also cause cancers of the vagina, anus and penis, although cervical cancer is the most common). There are usually no symptoms of these cancers until they are in very advanced stages. (For more information on this virus please see the CDC website:www.cdc.gov/STD/HPV/STDFact-HPV.htm#Whatis)


There is currently a vaccine on the market which was designed to protect women against the four most common strains of this virus, marketed by Merck under the name Gardasil. It has been recommended for girls as young as 11, and some states have been considering making the vaccine a prerequisite for entering school. However, there have been reports of deaths and serious illnesses directly attributed to the vaccine, A public interest group called Judicial Watch has uncovered reports through the Freedom of Information Act that at least ten fatalities have been reported to the FDA since September 2007. Judicial Watch believes the number of deaths is at least 18, possibly 20.


In addition, 140 reports of “serious adverse reactions” (27 of which are classified as life threatening), 10 miscarriages and 6 instances of the “debilitating” Guillain-Barre Syndrome have been documented since January of 2008. The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, (VAERS) has 8,864 cases associated with the vaccine, more than double from the previous year. For the full report:www.judicialwatch.org/gardasil


 


A young woman, Amanda, who is now 18, received the vaccine and developed an autoimmune myofascitis that has left her in chronic debilitating pain. Both of Amanda’s parents are doctors, and didn’t think twice about having giving their child the Gardasil vaccine when it became available. Her father spoke of his regret:"as the father of three girls, I've had to ask myself why I let my eldest one get an unproven vaccine against a few strains of a nonlethal virus that can be dealt with in many more effective ways. It's not like they are at high risk. It was the regrettable acceptance of the vaccine party line that [mis]led me. "www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/07/08/primarysource/entry4240485.shtml


As with all new drugs, treatments and vaccines, it is the first wave of the population who are the guinea pigs. Until these treatments are applied to the general population in large numbers over a period of time, the real side effects are not always known, (for example the arthritis medication Vioxx,  may have caused between 89,00 and 140,000 deaths before being pulled off the pharmacy shelves). Always consider the amount of time a treatment has been on the market, and do your homework on side effects both short term and long term. And, definitely gather information from sources other than the manufacturer, whose literature will always tell you their drug or vaccine is a miracle cure for what ails you.


For a Q&A about HPV from our own DrOrrange, go to


dailystrength.org/blog/260-answers-your-human-papilloma


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I had my last shot in august 08... what can happen to me....? *freaked*
By Sweetpea012607  Dec 22, 2008
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ok i had the last shot of the vaccine in dec. of 07. in feb of 08 i found out i was pregnant and in april i miscarried. since then ive had to have part of my cervix removed as hpv caused severe cervical dysplasia. i was told the shot protects u against the three most common strands. apparently the one i came in contact with wasnt one of those. its a personal choice everyone has to make for themselves. i made it for me and it didnt change the outcome of the hpv for me.
By erin0718  Dec 17, 2008
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A note to those who are against vaccines in general...

When a mother breastfeeds her newborn baby her milk contains antibodies to protect the baby against germs in his/her environment. A mere two hours after being exposed to a pathogen the mother's milk contains antibodies to that particular germ! A vaccine is simply an artificial way of doing the same thing. The antibodies are delivered in the shot.

A vaccine gives your body the ability to recognize and destroy a germ that is NOT in you environment, which your mother never had the chance to give you protection from. How could this possibly be a bad thing?

If you are still concerned about vaccines, please ask your doctor to explain further what a blessing they are to our society. Babies used to often die before their first birthday. This is now rare and vaccines are to be thanked for it!
By katiescarlett  Dec 17, 2008
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Please reconsider the insidious nature of this disease. You say it is rare for men to have it. Not true. Up to HALF of sexually active men are infected. Men do not have symptoms so continue to spread it. My ex-husband was infected and I spent 7 years with him but 8 years having surgery after surgery (5 LEEP/electric wire cauterizations and 2 laser cervical removal).

This disease is not "easy to treat". Easy for the doctor, maybe! After each surgery I had six weeks of cramping and bleeding and oozing as a new cervix grew in. Once I left my husband, the cancer did not return. I'm now cancer-free for 10 years.

I am definitely one of the lucky ones. The American Cancer Society says In 2008 an estimated 3,870 women in the US will die of cervical cancer, and around 11,000 new cases are expected to be diagnosed. You stated that possibly 20 deaths have been caused by this new vaccine and 140 women have had "serious adverse reactions". The numbers highly favor the vaccine in terms of risk.
By katiescarlett  Dec 17, 2008
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Here is my personal opinion. I am not saying that if you don't want the vaccine, that you have to take it or not, but the "information" available, especially on the internet is WAY to accessible, and in general, does not back the scientific research. If people truely understood that vaccines were not meant to hurt us, but prevent possible deadly disease, maybe we would be a more open to preventative care. What ever happened to patients "trusting their doctors". This is what this world is coming to. A bunch of non-medical lay persons, putting in their two cents, swaying the thoughts of those who just really want to protect thier families or themselves. Imagine for a moment, if everyone decided not to get any vaccines because of "what they had heard"! We would all be dying of measels, polio and diptheria. We are lucky in this world to have such advanced medicine to have these sort of things available. If I had the choice, I guess I would rather get a vaccine, then end up, in this case, ending up with one of the four protected types of cervical cancer.
By 2angelsinheaven  Dec 16, 2008
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GlamGrif.... I couldn't agree more! As for my personal experience, I have received all three of my shots. The first one I had almost a year ago and the third one I had almost five months ago. I have had NO side effects. I think the public is blowing this entire thing WAY out of proportion. Like GlamGrif said, vaccines will ALWAYS produce adverse effects in some people. I will say I am sickened by what happened to the girls who have died, suffer from seizures now, or have had their lives altered due to autoimme disorders or other illnesses related to the shot. It sickens and saddens me and I wish I personally would have done more research before I got the vaccine. As sad as it is, people need to realize most of this hype is caused by the vaccine being the first of its kind, new, and controversial. All vaccines have dangers. I am glad I got the vaccine. Cancer runs rampant in my family and Gardasil is just one more way I can possibly protect myself against cervical cancer.
By mstrombe  Dec 04, 2008
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Hi Lee, fantastic post!

In Australia they are vaccinating ALL young girls at school and as many young women who have left school are having this vaccine. As I teach at University I have seen so many young girls who have had this vaccine come in to Lectures incredibly sick and have had to send most back home as I felt that they are too unwell to stay. Further it has been found that because many young women feel that because of the vaccine they are now 'protected' against cancer, they are foregoing their PAP smears! and the government has had to implement an awareness campaign (at huge cost) to inform young women that they still must have smears....

I would NOT recommend this vaccine to anyone! Given time it may be proven to be safe but I feel the danger outweighs the benefits at the moment
By lina2008  Nov 29, 2008
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i STARTED MY DAUGHTER ON 2 DOSES OF THIS SHOT AND WHEN i HEARD ALL THIS TALK ABOUT THIS SHOT i STOPPED IT. i QUESTIONED HER DR ABOUT THIS AND SHE SAID IT IS JUST IN THE PUBLIC AND NO ONE HAS PROOF. SHE IS ALL FOR IT BUT MY INSTINCT JUST WASEN'T CONFIDENT ABOUT IT. I ALSO HAVE A 11 YEAR OLD AND I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE IT TO HER. ITS SCARY AS YOU TRUST YOUR DRS ADVICE AND THINK YOU SHOULD DO IT. THANK YOU FOR SHARING.
By kweeks2006  Nov 29, 2008
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Frankly I'm shocked at the commenters.

EVERY vaccine, all the way back to Polio vaccines have had some deaths related to them, and even more injuries. You can kill a child with benadryl and cough medicine too, and that happens much much more often than with vaccines.

Here's the deal: These same arguments were abound when schools started requiring Hep A/B vaccines (the "oh just teach abstinence" etc etc arguments). BUT, when push came to shove, the vaccine saved me from Hepatitis that I was exposed to from bad food at work.

When my daughter is old enough, she will receive Gardasil vaccines because it could protect her from cervical cancer. I've known way way too many MARRIED women who get HPV from their husbands to possibly think that abstinence until marriage would protect her.
By GlamGrif  Nov 26, 2008
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My daughter had no problems until she received the first of the series of this vaccine. After the first shot she completely stop having normal periods. Now she has to take birth control pills to have a normal cycle. Which puts her at higher risk of strokes, and other cancers that are caused by the pill. Seems to me she just exchanged one rare risk for a more known risk.

She is now infertile. This is a horrible result of taking a preventitive measure against the POSSIBLE risk of cancer.

I'd like to know how many other girls had this "side effect".

When my children were young there was a new vaccine every time I took them to the pediatrician. I eventually got so sick of them that I started refusing all of them. There is no way that a new vaccine every year can be healthy for our children.

We can not prevent every disease. Is it worth the risk of a vaccine to attempt to prevent another disease? I am beginning to wonder if this is really to benefit society or benefit the vaccine manufacturers.
By catlovesdi  Nov 25, 2008
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Editing my last sentence: But on the whole, as a sexually active young woman, I think this vaccine is a wonderful, wonderful thing.
By mauree  Nov 25, 2008
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Reading this post scared me initially, because I've already received two of the three shots, and my mother is an alarmist about vaccines to the point that I wasn't vaccinated as a child (and had rubella, measles, whooping cough, etc as a small child). I'm used to hearing her rant about vaccines with little or fringe evidence. There ARE serious risks associated with a number of vaccines, but her belief that the entire health community is plotting with the vaccine distributors to ignore the severe adverse reactions is flimsy at best.

Thankfully I'm one of the few young people who would take the positive route proffered by #5. Having researched the serious adverse reactions reported, I feel comfortable getting the third shot. I had no side effects with the first, some localized soreness for two days with the second. I will continue researching in the next two months before my next shot is due. But on the whole, as a sexually active young woman, this vaccine is a wonderful, wonderful thing.
By mauree  Nov 25, 2008
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Every time I take my daughter(15) to her doctor, they push us to give her Gardasil. I have refused right from the start knowing that this is a new drug and unproven out in the world. Yes they tested it before putting it out, but I was/am still leary of it. She will NOT be getting it EVER after reading this. I had a feeling this would happen. Thank God I didn't let her have it!! Thank you for this post and I hope others with young daughters will re-consider if they are thinking about letting them have it! Cheryl
By BeautifulDreamer  Nov 25, 2008
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For those of you sending me messages...read my response # 3 with the most recent data from the three surveillance organizations set up to monitor vaccines...there is no reason at this point to be concerned that the vaccine is harmful--every new medication and vaccine is faced with a critical eye as this one is...which isnt such a bad thing but separate fact from fiction.
Dr O.
By DrOrrange  Nov 24, 2008
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it doesn't TREAT anything.. it only protects against "certain forms of the virus"...etc.
so, why not teach abstenence?? and, since men are the carriers, why not find a vaccine to treat THEM??
women are generally the ones who have to take care of most sexual protections, whether it be birth control or, now, STD's. let's put some responsibility on the males. just a few thoughts.....
By tadlem  Nov 24, 2008
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That this is an untested, unproven vaccine isn't exactly true. The FDA did research on the vaccine before it went into public circulation. Some people think it is unnecessary because the risk is not clear. If that were the rational for all vaccines we wouldn't get them. Myself and my friends had chickenpox with no problems yet there is a vaccine. The same could be said about influenza!

On the other hand... It is true that sometimes the adverse affects are not known until more people have undergone that treatment.

And on yet another hand... In some cases some of use who have an adverse effects scream for recall when we were a very small subset of the population.

In all treatments there is risk to having and not having it. We need to know that Doctors aren't perfect. Often we have no way of knowing what is and isn't going to work with our bodies until it is done.
By Solta  Nov 24, 2008
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Geez poster number five.You're totally right.Let's completely ignore what Lee has just said.OR NOT.

I have already had both vaccines,and I can tell you my mother took me and couldn't tell me what the HELL they were even for."Some sort of...women's thing".People hear there's a new vaccine out and they automatically think that it's required.

I see no reason why the people shouldn't be informed.Maybe I was not affected negatively by this vaccine...or maybe I was and just don't know it yet.However, some people were and others wanting to get their daughters on this vaccination should be AWARE.It's not like the makers of Guardasil are just going to write that right into their pamphlet like so.
"
-4 strains of HPV can cause cervical cancer
-cancer may form in your vagina, penis or anus
-might...kill you, among other things"

Everyone knows admitting the fault of any product is not good for business.Why do you think they have all those med commercials say the side effects in a really deep and fast monotone?

I'm glad you posted this Lee.SOMEONE had to share the other side.
By NielikeKnee  Nov 24, 2008
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Full disclosure: I am male with no daughters.

In my opinion, the point of your article, as well as the title, is alarmist. At best, it is irresponsible. At worst, it could prove fatal. To highlight the worst-case scenarios, known as statistical outliers, without counter-balancing with the vast majority of routine vaccinations that have the ability to save millions of lives is a reckless use of this medium. The law of Unintended Consequences could play out in the needless suffering and death of more women.

Let's hypothesize with Poster #4, a 20-year old woman from Arizona who has just had the bejeezus scared out of her after reading your post. Rather than running scared into adulthood, she'll seize this opportunity to further research the benefits and possible detriments to this vaccine. Then, after she felt sufficiently informed, she'll tell all of her girl friends what she's learned and urge them to NOT take her word for it, but discover for themselves. In the end, because of this post, a grassroots movement grips the nation's young females in a fervor of enlightenment and they all make the best possible choice based on the information available.

Show of hands that agrees this scenario is likely?

Here's what I predict: She'll stop receiving the vaccine. But, humans are notoriously awful at predicting the future.

We are equally poor at critical thinking. We'd rather believe what a quasi-expert wrote on a blog, forum, or news article (if it's in print in must be true) than actually perform the work of discovering the facts for ourselves.

So, in the spirit of forum discussion (and so I don't pass myself off as a Nelly Naysayer), I challenge all women readers that have received the vaccine to post their completely routine, uneventful, statistically normal experiences right here. Hopefully, it will provide a necessary counterpoint to the alarmist tone of this post.
By mstelly  Nov 24, 2008
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I just recieved the 1st shot.....
do I have to recieve the other 2? or can I just stop
because this scares me...alot
By Britania  Nov 23, 2008
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Im glad VLT brought this up and Id been asked several times by members to write a blog about this.
This is a tough subject and ongoing studies are in the works but a 10/30/08 article about postlicensure safety monitoring by three national vaccine safety systems indicates that, in the more than 2 years since the human papillomavirus vaccine was licensed, serious adverse events have been rare and have NOT been specifically linked with the vaccine.

Here were some of their conclusions:

1) The CDC advisory committee on immunization practices estimates that more than 20 million doses of the vaccine had been distributed and are under passive surveillance, and more than 375,000 doses are under active surveillance as of August 31

2) Of the more than 10,300 adverse events reported thus far to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), 94% have been nonserious. Most of the adverse event reports to VAERS were consistent with prelicensure trial data.

3) Among the adverse events reported are syncope, dizziness, nausea, Guillain Barré syndrome, venous thromboembolism, and death, according to the CDC

4) Serious adverse events including syncope, venous thromboembolism (VTE), and Guillain Barré syndrome occurred mostly in individuals with other contributing factors. For example, of 18 reports of VTE, 14 were in patients who also used hormonal contraceptives, which are known to increase VTE risk.

5) As for the 17 deaths reported in association with HPV vaccination, no clusters based on patient age, timing of vaccination, or other factors were identified that might hint at a causal relationship

6) The Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment (CISA) Network, a collaboration of six U.S. academic centers that conduct research on adverse events associated with immunizations, has found insufficient evidence to support a causal relationship between HPV vaccination and the reported serious adverse events

7) Likewise, findings of the Vaccine Safety Datalink project, which was established in 1990 to improve the evaluation of vaccine safety through active surveillance and epidemiologic studies, showed that among more than 375,000 doses administered and monitored, no statistically significant risk for any prespecified adverse event (Guillain Barré syndrome, seizures, syncope, anaphylaxis, other allergic reactions, appendicitis, stroke, and VTE) occurred after vaccination.

I recommend it to my patients, Id give it to my girls as well but I also like that we take reports of adverse reactions very seriously and continue to discuss it....

Dr O.
By DrOrrange  Nov 23, 2008

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