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Dissociative Symptoms Can Be Dangerous
Posted in Anxiety by Julie Cohen on Oct 23, 2008


I have worked for many years with victims of chronic trauma and abuse.  Many of my clients had a clear cut PTSD diagnosis and along with that suffered greatly from dissociative symptoms.  Dissociation is best understood by viewing it on a continuum.  One end of the continuum are mild symptoms such as excessive forgetfulness including forgetting your keys or getting in the car and not remembering where you are going.  On the severe or extreme end of the continuum are severe dissociate symptoms that included the diagnosis of Dissociate Identity Disorder (formerly multiple personality disorder or MPD). 


The dissociative symptom that I see most often falls somewhere in the middle of the spectrum.  And although not a severe symptom, its consequences if not treated could be deadly.  Here is how this usually presents in session.  A client might say, "I was driving to work and was so consumed by the thoughts of my abuse that I didn't see the car in front of me stop.  I had to slam on my breaks and pull off to the side of the road."  Or, "I walked out into the middle of the intersection and the light was red.  All these cars almost hit me and people started screaming at me.  I never even noticed the traffic signal.  I don't know where my mind was..."


So this is a little different than typical thoughts of dissociation where memory is completely wiped out and a person as if awakening from a trance says "where am I?"  Often I will ask clients who present with a history of abuse, "do you ever have times where you forget where you are or feel lost for a few moments?"  Typically, the response will be reciting a situation involving stepping into traffic or almost causing a car accident. 


I don't have a scientific answer for this but clearly; in every person that I work with who has this symptom there is an excessive amount of worry and anxiety.  There is almost always intense persistent ruminations about the past abuse or potential abuse.  This is most common with people who are still in an abusive relationship or worried about potential threats of harm.  On a positive note, when the threats of abuse and abuse stop, the ruminations usually diminish significantly.


If these symptoms resonate with you the most important issue is keeping yourself safe.  Either this means finding help to get away from your abuser and/or gaining awareness of your dissociative symptoms.  If you are in an abusive relationship check out the "help" icon on this page for crisis referrals. If you experience symptoms that are mentioned here I would strongly encourage you to seek professional help.  Finding ways to decrease your anxiety is essential to healing.  Also, you may want to consider not driving or be extremely cautious when crossing the street. 


 


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Thank you for posting this. It explains a lot about what I am going through. I stopped driving because of it. Its to scary
By imajlv  Jun 28, 2009
34
Me to a tea
By burntsienna  Jan 22, 2009
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its the most scary thing to realize you've walked through down town without the slights awareness that you did it. whenever i get into overwhelming situations i drift away, i am not there i am in another world all together. how can i keep myself in the here and now? to realize that any where from 5 to 20 mins have past without any memory at all makes me feel totally out of control and vunrable.
By vmc  Jan 19, 2009
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It's crazy because I do that a lot. I will zone out while I'm driving, in classes, talking to other people and when I "come to" I will not have known what was going on. I thought maybe it was some kind of dissociation but now I know for sure...
By MandyG  Jan 12, 2009
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So where do you draw the line at defining "dissociation" ?

I've never been able to figure out if this is what I went through. I never had what might be called "blackouts", and although I might occasionally lose track of time, I don't recall ever actually 'losing' time.

But there were definitely times where thinking of events might put me into a state where I wasn't "all there"; In fact I gained quite a reputation as a "space cadet".

Where do you draw the line between, say, "extreme daydreaming" and dissociation ???
By Portlander  Dec 12, 2008
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I had no concious memory of my attack untill fairly recently, just nightmares, fear in certain cercumstances, and a awareness that something was terribly wrong. But I am now more concerned with my drive toward the feminine, and whether or not it is a form of disociation, or if I would be having this struggle with my gender regardless of being abused.
By inpainincanada  Dec 05, 2008
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What about one not remembering days , not just moments. thank you. This is a great concern to me.
By benice53  Nov 18, 2008
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i was abused as a child, although i only remember bits. ive always kinda spaced out, but no one ahs ever really said anything bout it. then when i was in a relationship an was raped it happened alot. an carried on. it happened mostly when i was in a difficult situation, sometimes i think maybe i do it so i dnt have to deal with things.
By newhope01  Nov 15, 2008
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when I was married to my 1st husband. I thought that I was did. I know that I dissociated a lot. My husband was did. I had a friend that had about 300 personalities. when I was married to 2nd husband, I saw a movie one nite, a scene triggered something within me, and I dissociated real bad. I felt so spaced out, as I walked to his truck. I do not do that these days. Dissociating these severely is something to be concerened about sometimes. Anyways, I wanted to add my two cents.
By joy1961  Nov 14, 2008
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Dear Julie, I have only just joined this support group, but was thrilled to see this article here. I have D.I.D., and have been treated for it for 10 years now. Over time it has progressively improved to the point that now I can recognise dicossiation as it occurs. I can feel an episode coming on and I now know to be especially careful with what I do. eg. Crossing the road, I always wait at traffic lights. I stopped driving 8 years ago as I noticed that I would sometimes drive for entire trip without really taking notice of things.

For me fortunately I had other "parts" take over and do the things that got me to places safely, but I could never be entirely certain they were always "switched on" to the environment around me.

Its also fantastic that disociation is more widely treated these days. Where I live in Australia, it is still difficult to find doctors that "believe" in it, so naturally diagnosis is rare. Fortunately I found my doctor, and he diagnosed it. Within my treatment I have set up "safety" things, and have become more conscious of when/how/where I become disociated, triggers etc.. but am so concerned about the safety of those people who are going undiagnosed, or misdiagnosed, and then again... completely untreated.

I have found often that depression and thoughts of suicide and self harm can bring on disociation, and that these are the hardest times to bring myself out of it. Because I have the desire to cross road without looking so that i do cause harm to myself. But.. I am more and more aware of these changes and act quickly to re-associate myself with the world and the environment around me.

I am far from being "cured" and in a way don't believe in a cure for D.I.D. for me, its about making all my personalities funtion together, not combine into a single person.. so really I don't see it so much as a disorder. Rather a new order in which I function. My goal is to be able to function and remain conscious of all changes within me, and remain safe. Its been a looooooong journey to get to this point, and I know i have a looooong way to go.

Once again. I am so thrilled that you brought up dissociation here. It is something that has gotten me into trouble a lot in the past, and if others are aware of it, they can seek treatment for it.

Thanks, Paynter
By pellycandoo  Nov 10, 2008
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I was diagnosed only a couple of months ago with DID, it was such a relief to hear her say it, it now explains a lot of things throughout my life. My kids(5 adults now) have dealt with us for all these years not knowing it is a mental disorder, they just learnt what to do.............they think/say "mum just loses it sometimes, is crazy, loony etc" and even introduce me to people as 'that' in case i switched in front of friends. I have not told them since diagnoses, will not, but it now helps me understand myself and my actions. Now the work begins.
THANK YOU FOR THIS BLOG, I WISH IT WAS HERE A YEAR AGO, I HOPE IT HELPS MANY OTHERS WHO ARE "LOST"
CHEERS.
XOO
By nadine62  Nov 05, 2008
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Thank you for addressing this issue. I had a car accident almost three years ago because I thought I would have to confront a teacher about a child with special needs whom I was teaching. I am now beginning EMDR for PTSD and told my therapist that dissociating while driving really scares me, of course. I think my being aware that I've been triggered helps, and if I start feeling "foggy", I can just pull over. A few years ago, I wasn't as aware of my "triggers", but I am now. Knowledge truly is power.
By CG303  Oct 28, 2008
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Hi, I have DID and have a great therapist, however, I have become over the last couple of years disabled and homebound- and live with an alcholohic, possibly still bipolar, verbally abusive man who- if he works, works mostly at home. Therefore I am really stuck. Sometimes I think about leaving him, but I've stayed because he is the father to my children and they need a dad. He is a pretty good dad when he tries and doesn't drink - come home drunk around them very often.
It has been really hard for me because now that I can't drive and have a bunch of serious physical diagnosies- my family (my husband's family really) disreguards the need I have for the help for my mental disorder and doesn't want to take me to my appointments. I end up talking on the phone to my therapist but it's not the same for my altars. I've tried some DID forums but the ones I've tried have been difficult to navigate and not effective for me.
I end up switching - on line- with regular people- and they pretty much don't know what to do, how to respond, so- the usual- they don't say anything.
I know however, from hard experience when my life is in danger and how to call for help. I do that a lot actually. Sad, but true. I have to be on a no-self- harm contract a lot. It used to be easier because I could make agreements- and they could have privileges for good behavior- but now we can't get out to do anything. (can't walk hardly at all)
I'm not sure why I wanted to write, I guess I just wanted to share. Say it hurts. It's hard. I wish I could go see my therapist in person again.

oh- there is a good book I have called, "Getting through the Day" that explains the continum of dissociation if anyone wants to understand better the difference between normal dissociation and having multiple personalities. I don't remember the author, but despite the title, it is an excellent book.

From somewhere over the rainbow,
zoe
By prismed  Oct 27, 2008
22
sigh.. i live with the abuser, it's inescapeable.
By elFauno  Oct 26, 2008
21
thank you for this ..i am experiencing this also,sometimes i forget if i already took my vitamins or not,where i put some items and many more small stuffs...but the last time this happened to me just last week was when i went to the school with my daughter and i dressed her up in her school dress uniform never noticing that that day she was suppose to wear a jogging pants and tshirt for her usual p.e. day for every week..i was surprised when i saw her classmates wearing a different uniform and realized that it was a monday where they have the usual p.e. day...it made me realized that there are really many major things inside my mind for many years already and as a result sometimes i get confused on small details...journalling here helps me...............
By mommyau  Oct 26, 2008
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I have been diagnosed with DID for 4 1/2 years and the symptoms can be dangerous! It is scary to "switch" from one part to another and not know what has been going on, where I have been or what I have done. There are a lot of other symptoms that go along with this like depression and anxiety, suicidal ideation and attempts, substance abuse and many more. Keeping safe is essential and learning good internal communication is one way to do that.
By karens10  Oct 26, 2008
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My husband has the symptoms but I don't know what would cause them.

The only thing I can thing of is his anger with his father for "devaluing" him. He feels his father doesn't respect him or even care for him. But his father will give his sister everything.

She is a drug addict and now is disabled. My husband is also disabled. But his father controls the money. His mother has to "sneak" money to him so she feels he is getting a fair shake I guess. But it is sad that it came down to this. The parents live a good days drive away. And this is what the father encouraged after we got married many years ago. My family lived here at the time.

Could the feelings my husband have because of his father's indifference be considered abuse? I went through basically the same thing with my adopted mother but ignored it because I knew she was sick. My husband can't get through it with his father though... a former air force master sargeant. He is now over 70 years old.

My husband claims he will have no sorrow for his father when he dies. So would this be "abuse?"
By geekygranny  Oct 25, 2008
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I was abused quite frequently as a kid. When things got really bad, I retreated, as though I had become a third person looking down on my situation. Somehow, the abuse was easier to endure if I could think of it as happening to somebody else. Although the abuse itself is a distant memory, that coping mechanism still lives on in my life today. My family occasionally note that I'm not paying attention and do something to bring me back to contemporary reality. It has not killed me or injured anybody else yet; I just need to be aware of it and compensate to the best of my ability.
By Paxton  Oct 25, 2008
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Should I be concerned about dissociative disorder??? I frequently space out in the middle of conversations or during movies (and I miss major parts of the plot). I try to concentrate, but forget after a few minutes and zone out again. This also happens frequently at work and my vision gets slightly blurred. I was sexually abused as a child and have never been able to cry about it in counseling (going for several months). I feel numb a lot of the time. I also lose everything and forget what I am doing. I have never caused or been apart of a car accident, so it isn't severe dissociation... should I be concerned at all?
By hardir  Oct 25, 2008
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What is the difference between being disassociative like this article discusses and having DEPERSONALIZATION?? Are those two words for the same thing or no? I'm sorry if this is a stupid question--I am new here, so plz don't jump on me. Thx in advance if somebody [or the original author] could post and possibly clear this up 4 me. =]
By valmont32677  Oct 24, 2008

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