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Judicious Use of Antibiotics
Posted in ADHD / ADD by Dr. Jeremy F. Shapiro on Aug 30, 2009
 

Before I begin my brief rant on the importance of not over-prescribing nor over-using antibiotics, I would like to thank everyone for their responses in my recent blogs.  I realize some very strong viewpoints will often emerge, but always appreciative when things stay civil...which for the most part they have been.  Granted, this new topic may not generate as much discussion as the recent blogs and certainly one of the more enjoyable parts of sharing my thoughts is hearing yours in response, but the importance of not overusing antibiotics needs to be stressed these days...particularly in the pediatric population.

 

Why bring this up now?  Well, why not.  I must admit a recent medical article initially sparked my thoughts in writing this but since we're also moving (although the 100 degree days around here would make it seem so far away) toward the Fall/Winter seasons here in the northern hemisphere where typically more illnesses are to be found, now seemed to be a perfect time to remind you all of the simple fact that antibiotic resistance is a growing concern.

 

And at least in the pediatric population, there are not many, if any, antibiotics coming down the pipeline in the near future (conspiracy discussion for another time).  So it should become clear antibiotic use should only occur when determined to be medically necessarily.  Because when we use an antibiotic (meant for treating bacterial infections only) for a simple viral infection (i.e. a simple head cold) and not let the body allow its own immune system ward off the infection or always treat with broad-spectrum antibiotics (meaning it will take care of more than just the bacteria we are concerned with), we are contributing to the development of resistance.  And with more resistance, we become more limited with what we can treat with and, well, it should be clear what that means...just look at our current plight with MRSA infections in both the immunocompromised and immunocompetent populations.

 

So please keep in mind the next time you are in the office of your child's physician or caregiver and an antibiotic is not automatically prescribed, it may be the best thing for your child...both for the short and long-term.   

 

 

Dr. Jeremy



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As a nurse working in a family medical office, I see too often of antibiotics being rx'd. Its unnecessary, but they are written for many reasons. I've seen patients insist on antibiotics, despite having symptoms for only 2 days. Also consider the fact that most offices only allow 7 minutes for a Dr's appt. Yes! Seven minutes! It easy to hand a prescription to a patient than it is to argue with them that its not needed. I have explained numerous times to patients that antibiotics do not work for viral infections, and that most viral infections can last 7-10 days. From viral, it turns bacterial if not improving. So when patients call asking for antibiotics or for an appt to get antibiotics, I try to explain to them that unless they've been sick for at least five days, have a high fever or other worrisome symptoms, there's probably no need to come in only to be told its viral. I also try to explain they'd be wasting their money by being seen so soon. Alot of patients are grateful when I explain this to them. Some still insist, and to them, even explaining how MRSA developed from the over use of antibiotics still doesn't matter to them. Oh, well. I guess they'll just come in for their seven minute appointment and get the antibiotics they don't need. Its up to the prescribing providers to take a stand and back up their staff, instead of handing over a prescription after 2 days of viral symptoms. It makes us look stupid.
By sunygrl  Sep 28, 2009
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Your rant should have been a lot stronger as this is a huge problem. The doctors seem to be pharmaceutical salesman anymore.

EasyM is right, a huge part of the problem is the feedlot and the giving huge amounts of antibiotics to the animals. Not only don’t bacteria know the difference, most people are also eating those animals with the huge amounts of antibiotics in them. Hundreds of tons of antibiotics are given to animals each year just so they aren’t “downer” animals and can be sold for food.

Congress was supposed to act on this, they have something called Preservation of Antibiotics for Medical Treatment Act of 2009 – HR 1549. But like everything else, I haven’t heard of them doing anything about it.

Someone asked about taking antibiotics for the swine flu. NO, flu is a virus and antibiotics only work for bacteria. But sometimes people will get antibiotics when they have the flu if the flu can turn into pneumonia.
By Craig09  Sep 24, 2009
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What really gets me is that in these almost 2 years since losing my son I have doctors trying to force prescriptions for anitdepressants down our throats because they seem to think it is easier for my family to cope by throwing pills at human emotions. No one in my house has any problem (beyond what is normal) with coping with the loss of our son, we have dealt with this as a family since day one and are very open about it. The most assinine was the doctor who was trying to prescribe PROZAC to my 13 year old because "all teens deal with depression and he lost his brother"....this statement was made after a 30 minute consultation with my son the very firsyt time they met. No one in my family has taken them, really we are all doing just fine without them, meanwhile we are lucky to EVER get an antibiotic. My newborn baby had to go a week coughing til she'd turn purple, gasping for air, green snot nose etc until finally I had to really flip out to get her some relief. Let's remind everyone here how cruel that is to do to parents who's baby we had just before our most recent one, went to sleep completely healthy to never wake up again. I am a believer that things should run their course but when we hit the point where this has stalled we should not have to flip out to get a prescription.
By NickNicksmommykitkat  Sep 14, 2009
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Amen! I couldn't agree more with you. Dr. let me ask you what you think about the over use of antacids? Is it true that daily use for an extended period of time could lead to kidney stones for some people?
By ICish  Sep 04, 2009
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Having both worked in the health industry and been subject to over-prescription of antibiotics, I'd definitely throw my weight behind this viewpoint: all too often, drugs are seen as the quick-fix option for maladies which could just as simply be cured with a bit of rest and hydration.

Of course, serious illnesses deserve serious solutions, but the prevalence of MRSA and similarly AB-resistant bacteria should be a caution against reliance on antibiotics as the "magic bullets" of medicine. Here in Sydney, there's a proliferation of MRSA in the public health system, which has scared many patients away given the highly negative media coverage of the issue. Hopefully more practitioners will come to realise that the quick-fix isn't always the best one.
By nps001  Sep 04, 2009
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Hi, As a fellow medical professional, I have been singing that song for 15 years...so you're kinds preaching to the choir in my case. Good for you for putting the info on DS and educating the public! Hugs! sara
By shakysara  Sep 03, 2009
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Hi Dr. Jeremy,

I couldn't agree more. My daughter's doctor, as well as mine, (They're in the same practice, but I really like mine, so don't feel inclined to make a change to hers, who is trained in pediatrics, but practicing as a GP.) don't give antibiotics unless they're absolutely necessary. What they do is give you a script and then tell you not to fill it unless things deteriorate or don’t improve.

A couple of times DD has been complaining about her ears and I've taken her to the doctor. He has checked her ears and said that while they were red he felt it was a viral thing and would improve over the next few days, but to use the script for antibiotics if she was still complaining in about 4 days or if she spiked a temp. The same happened to me recently about my sinuses with my doc. I think this is the way to go, at least with people who're informed enough to decide what the words "getting worse" or "not improving" mean. It means you don’t have to make a return trip to the doctor.

BTW, both times my daughter got better without the antibiotics and I have too. So 3 times now doctors from our practice have been spot on in their diagnoses.

Thanks again for your great articles,
C.
By ClaresMom  Sep 02, 2009
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barrnone, its a virus. antibiotics don't work on virus, only bacteria.
By tadlem  Sep 02, 2009
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While I agree, there is another side of this issue.

Many adults hear the "Doctors Over Prescribe Antibiotics" mantra and then proceed to go to the other end of the spectrum. They do not go to the doctor even though the flu symptoms persist for more than 7 days (one patient had it for three weeks). Then all of a sudden a whole bunch of new symptoms occur and they do go to the doctor.

The only problem, those new symptoms are of a dead heart valve, killed when what started as the flu migrated to the heart.

I have seen similar instances where family insisted on pain meds being given and then once the patient starts having depressed respiration's, they had to be reversed.

Somehow there has to be a balance. It starts with education such as your postings here.
By JonathanSteeleRN  Sep 02, 2009
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What is your advice on taking antibiodics for the swine flu virus?
By barrnone  Sep 02, 2009
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I know the intent but practicality is another issue. Many animals in the USA are given antibiotics routinely for prophylaxis. Some chicken and hog farms use as many as 16 over the course of the animals life. Their rational is that the animals are in such close proximity that a bacteria or mycobacterium could wipe out hundred if not thousands before it could be treated. The bacteria don't know the difference between a hog and a human. Some are even available at local feed stores here in the USA OTC. I use to work for a pharmaceutical company. It is the same stuff used on humans, just a different label.

Many countries, practically all of the Central American countries sell antibiotics OTC. Even some of the most used like Cipro, Augmentin, and Zithromax. Of course some of the older ones like pennicilin, the tetracyclines like Vibramycin and the cephalosporins are available. The only ones I haven't seen in my travels are the aminoglycosides for obvious reasons.
By EasyM  Sep 01, 2009
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The big loophole here is the term "medically necessary." Unfortunately, that is left up to the drs who want to hand them out like candy, not just to kids, but also to adults. I have lost count of the number of times drs mis-dx'd me and I took abx unnecessarily. Now I ASK & keep asking if its really necessary. (side note, I really wish drs would bone up on alternatives.)

The scariest thing about them, horrible side effects not withstanding, is the desensitization of the 'bugs' to the abx's. It makes me very nervous now to have any sort of invasive test done. I've seen too many "trained" lab techs, etc. NOT wash their hands OR wear gloves. When I confronted one, she had the nerve to say it didn't hurt the patient - that it was more for her protection. I got her name and reported her, but I doubt it did any good.

We have to be our own advocates and that's hard a lot of the time because drs (I'm sure not you Dr. J) have a god complex and don't like their patient's input. I give it anyway and if they don't listen, I find a new dr.

Something worth repeating is HAND WASHING - Wash your hands after EVERYTHING! And use REGULAR soap. The abx soaps are a major contributor to the abx-resistant bugs.

Thank you Dr. J for bringing this to the forefront.
By MyTrueColors  Sep 01, 2009
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Welcome to Greece... the heaven of pharmaceutical companies!!! Doctors always over-prescribe, people always have a pack of antibiotics in their house (just in case), pharmacist's stores sell antibiotics without a prescription (contrary to legislation), patients and parents think that unless the doctor prescribes them something s/he probably is not a good doctor. And everything happens with the tolerance of the government because the profit is too big!

When I was a child I fortunately had a good pediatrician who never prescribed antibiotics without serious reason but in the rare occasions I visited other doctors they would prescribe a pack or bottle with the advice to take the whole package even if you feel better.

I recently went to a pharmacist's store while on vacation, recovering from a viral infection. The pharmacist's husband was a doctor and he was in the store at the moment. I asked him to give me something to give me something to sooth my coughing. His immediate response was "antibiotics"!!! He didn't know anything about me, he certainly couldn't examine me, and he certainly didn't care to examine me... I said "No, thank you." and bought some strepsiles instead....

Last year I had a muscular pain on my wrist. No clinical evidence of something serious. I was prescribed 2 non-steroid anti-inflammatory drugs, 1 muscle relaxer, and a couple of muscle relaxer gels... The doctor was so convincing that I decided to take them... While on this medication and on vacation again, I had a tooth ache, I called my dentists and told him the symptoms and mentioned all the medication I was taking. He said I should take 2 antibiotics, one of aerobic bacteria and one for un-aerobic.... "But, I am already taking all these..." I said. "No problem", he said... Of course you will wonder if I am so stupid. I don't know... but when the doctor says you should take this, I thought he knows better, I should trust him... The result was I had a shock including swelling, confusion, diarrhea, tachycardia, shaking, shortness of breath, pain in gastrointestinal area, pain in my lever and an esophagitis I suffered for many months after....
By paparouna  Sep 01, 2009
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YAY Dr. Jeremy I agree 100% thank you for awesome reminders
By Tamberly  Sep 01, 2009
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when i was about 19 (many years ago) i took antibiotics for and upper respiratory infection.. then more..then more. it killed the normal flora in my intestines and i wound up having a divided colostomy and eventually a closure, but not without severe complications. there ARE things to treat this today, but i cannot say strongly enough that prevention is the best thing! ANYTIME you take antibiotics, take probiotics with them!! my mom, a registered nurse, brought acidophilus to me (quite unknown at the time) and i believe to this day its the only thing that saved my life!
By tadlem  Aug 31, 2009
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Visitingnurse, I have had three bouts of bad cellulitis since May. This time I have been on antibiotics for 5 wks. I had a knot in my inner thigh that started out the size of a big grapefruit. it is now down to a marble size. I get high fevers, vomiting, bad aches. bad headache. Is that what you have with yours? My doctor is stunned about the big knot this time. I have had all kinds of test for this. I don't like being on the antibiotics this long, but I wanted the knot to be gone also. I know that this isn't good for my body or resistance.
By mscorgi  Aug 31, 2009
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I know about that and even they say that there is good bacteria and bad bacteria..
By samiandjean  Aug 31, 2009
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I think your rant could have been stronger. I think we all need a wake-up call. I had a severe cellulitis from a work injury (I am a nurse, and had a sharps injury). I had recurrent MRSA for over 2 years. For the last 2.5 years, I have had recurrent sores that erupt in the area where the original infection was, and severe pain . The antibiotic used to treat the MRSA "selected" , and I developed acinetobactor in my urinary tract x2. I am a very healthy person, with no other chronic illness. Too many health care workers that I have met think MRSA is "no-big deal". Along with antibiotic resistance, we also need to be aware of the increasing risk of illness and death from Clostridium difficile (c-diff), which may be caused by antibiotic use. If you must take an antibiotic, make sure to replenish your gut with good bacteria with yogurt and/or probiotics.
By visitingnurse  Aug 31, 2009
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I agree!! Another thing that contributes to antibiotic resistance is not finishing all of your antibiotics.
By deedlinz  Aug 31, 2009
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On the other side of that coin, I find some dr's won't prescribe antibiotics, when you really need them and it makes for a very bad time, and sometimes when you are sick it lasts alot longer to get better, so you miss alot of work. Luckily I had some antibiotics on hand and took them and got better in a couple of day's, my tonsils were very swollen and couldn't eat solid food without choking and the dr. wanted to give me seroquil instead, I was shocked to say the least. I don't use my insurance anymore cause of it, at least not to see my hmo dr's. But I am talking about adults with weekened immune systems from chronic illnesses as I have.
By MikeIntheDesert  Aug 31, 2009

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