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The Spanking Debate Continues
Posted in Anger Managemen... by Cyndi Sarnoff-Ross on Sep 29, 2009

 

For quite some time now parents have been counseled not to spank their children.  Social scientists have reported everything from depression and anxiety to aggressive behaviors being evidenced in children who are regularly spanked as a form of discipline.  For decades psychologists doled out advise about how to use spanking in a productive way. We have come a long way since that was the parenting method of choice. Yet surprisingly there is still some debate on the subject. While the majority of child development specialist counsel against spanking there are still some holdouts that recommend the practice.

Robert Larzelere, associate professor of human development and family services at Oklahoma State University, reports from his research on the subject that spanking was in fact an effective tool and seemed to work better in curbing negative behavior than 10 of 13 alternative disciplinary methods. His research focused on children between ages 2 to 6 years.

Countering Larzelere's observations are many other social psychologists including Susan Newman who is the author of "Little Things Long Remembered: Making Your Children Feel Special Every Day." She and others maintain that parents should not resort to spanking at any age and that there are many other preferable forms of discipline.

Research has provided us with enough information about the efficacy of spanking as a useful disciplinary tool. We have learned that children who are spanked at an early age tend to act out in more physical ways then children who are not. Adults who were spanked as children tend to spank their own children more often than those who were not. This makes perfect sense because it is the only form of discipline that is intuitive to them. It is what they know. It is also clear that the parent-child relationship suffers as a result of using spanking as the chosen form of discipline. It decreases trust of the parent by the child and encourages avoidance of punishment which can lead to sneaky behavior.

I recognize that there are two sides to this debate but I can honestly say that I have never advised, nor will I ever counsel parents to use spanking as a punishment. There are simply too many other options. Parents get frustrated and exasperated and in the end spanking is more about the parent's feelings then it is about an effective means of discipline. Having tools to deal with a child's misbehavior and having readily available consequences can help a parent to feel empowered and to regain control when their child is acting out. This is easier said than done but in the long run I feel strongly that the act of spanking can in some case be a slippery slope to more abusive behavior.

This topic can be a heated one among clinicians and parents, each side clinging fast to a strongly held belief about the practice. It would be interesting to hear from members here at DS about their ideas and practices on the subject. Just a note about that request: please respect other's opinions and comments and refrain from personal attacks. There is room for healthy debate on the subject.

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I was severely "spanked" as a child. A long strap or belt was the preferred device. After a "spanking" I was covered in blood welts from top to bottom. It wasn't so much a spanking as a beating. The damage was bad enough that I would have to take in an "excuse" from home to stay out of gym class or any other activity for 2-3 weeks while the welts healed..sometimes a month or more. The excuse was always some made-up malady that I supposedly had. I determined early in life I would never do such a thing to my children. And I never did. I tried out a hand to butt spanking thing. One "tap" was for a particularly bad infraction. 2 taps was for extremely bad behavior. Both were with a timeout in their bedroom. I quickly saw the taps, which were, by plan, just enough to be felt through the pants, so they knew that a spanking had been given. But soon I saw that it just did a similar thing that beatings had done to me...it made them mad, angry. Not sorry, not apologetic. Recognition of their wrong was overwhelmed by Humiliation and Disgust. So that ended very quickly. Timeouts, talking, taking a quite walk, removal of privileges--and sticking to those, not waffling away with "pleeeeease Daddy, I'll be good now." by saying.." wellll, Ok , if you think you've learned your lesson". No. I am the Parent. I have to lead. Not destroy. I stuck to the disciplinary action, usually a time out or similar, and a careful, thoughtful talk. That may have made them mad of course, but they developed understanding rather than fear. Respect rather than rebellion. If you beat a child they very well may become beaters themselves. Turned out that my folks had been whipped and beaten. They were good people otherwise, but they didn't realize they were causing loss of respect, and rebellion. One day when I'd grown big enough, Dad jerked off his large, long belt and pushed me toward the back room where the beatings were given. I spun in my steps, as I had determined to do, and even though outsized by nearly a 100 lbs and half a foot to a strong grown man, I was ready to thrown down into a real fight. Win or lose I'd had enough. Thankfully that was the last day of any beatings or attempts. But many aren't so lucky. They go for revenge. Either right then and there, or later with others--friends, children, wives, husbands, siblings, strangers... I was lucky, I never went that way. And I thank God to this day. I was lucky, and I thank God for that "luck".

Mancave
By Mancave  Oct 02, 2009
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But I completely disagree with spanking and plan never to use it on any child, my own or any others.
By ellychelly  Oct 01, 2009
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I was spanked on rare occasions when I was young, but I don't think it had any lasting effects.
By ellychelly  Oct 01, 2009
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I was spanked as a child, I spank my children and it works. its like the first time you touch a hot stove, you touch it, it burns, you get hurt, you dont do it again. Same concept. A spanking is not going scar you poor lil johnny for life nor will it make them into killing machines when they grow up. Get over the abuse bull.
By superdadRKJ  Oct 01, 2009
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I was raised by folks who were from the down south old school. You better believe I got hit! It wasn't spanking...it was called whoopin. And, on our block, if you misbehaved in front of anyone's parent, they hit you and when your parents were told about what you did, you got a second whoopin. My dad only whooped me once (with a belt that he was wearing) but my mom was the pro. She'd make us go get the instrument of the torture. I remember a radiator brush, ironing cords, jump ropes, clothes lines, and belts. It made you think twice before doing something that you knew you'd get a whoopin for! Me, being the youngest, used to get whoopins for stuff the other three did and my mom never believed that they were lying on me. OY Vey! Anyway, I am now a law abiding mother of one and grandmother of two and the older three siblings are 1. a crack head; 2. a drunk; and 3. a crack head with HIV. Go figure! I say that whoopins can work depending on the child. By the way, I don't whoop my grandkids, I just take away stuff that they like when they're naughty and give them the disapproval talk and couple that with making my daughter take them to counselling. I am a firm believer in counselling.
By cyndilu  Oct 01, 2009
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I believe that the Lord comes from within your own heart. And that they greatest gift he had given us is the freedom to choose between right and wrong.

I believe that children are placed within our care to "TEACH US" how to be better people, by teaching them how to be.

If you need rely on a book to tell you how to be civil to others , maybe you are better off not having children.
By TinaP123  Oct 01, 2009
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Hey all the parents here who DON'T SPANK, you are SAINTS.
It takes a lot of patients to raise children. I think the world of you for finding other methods of discipline -- THIS IS REAL RESPECT. I don't even think our family animals should be hit. I never even hit the dogs we had. I think it's very disrespectful to use spanking as the only means of discipline. Maybe some kids need it, at the time, they are doing something wrong.
I don't believe in hitting any human or family pet for any reason.
By energylost  Oct 01, 2009
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I am a new parent and have yet to experience discipline from the parents viewpoint. I was spanked as a child and while I think my parents used it excessively I do not believe it is necessarily a negative thing. I worked in daycare and learned through that experience some children respond well to other methods of discipline (especially those who are taught from a young age) while there are others who do not respond at all to other methods. If my child is raised from a young age to listen and obey then I believe it will rarely if ever be necessary to spank my child. However if my child does not respond to other discipline methods then she will get a spanking as a last resort.
By NervousP  Oct 01, 2009
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I do not believe spanking is necessary or good. I raised 2 children to adulthood and I admit swatting their behind a very few times out of frustration (of which I am not proud) but for the most part did not physically punish them. They are both wonderful, caring, moral young adults. I think there are other ways to get your idea across as far as getting them to behave, whether discussing it with them, giving them time-outs, withdrawing privileges - but most of all, modeling good and moral behavior. Like one time I went shopping with them for some clothing and shoes, and realized outside the store that they had not charged me for something - and we went right back in and paid. My daughter told me later how much that meant to her, in bringing home the message to be honest. The same thing applies to being kind, working hard, taking responsibility. You correct their mistakes and show them how it is done. Hitting them can work in the short term but in the long term does not help them. Also, I have read studies saying that people who are spanked a lot as children have more sexual problems as adults. Why risk long-term damage to your kids if you can get them to behave in other ways than spanking?
By catrice  Oct 01, 2009
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I believe spanking is an important tool in raising children. It should be done without anger or extreme, but it is an excellent way to teach children that there are real consequences to bad behavior. Also, our God and Creater instructs us to raise our children this way: nurture, admonish, and the rod.
By 14weeks  Oct 01, 2009
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I was spanked, beaten and verbally abused as a young child. I vowed I would never hit my own child someday. I did not. Ever.
By Pennyphone  Oct 01, 2009
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What about non-parents? Can't they have an opinion on this, too?

I was raised in a family with one parent who was a spanker and one parent who wasn't. I hated it, and I hated the spanking parent (my dad). My dad used to hit me in the head and the butt whenever I was bad. No discussion about it, just WHAP! with his hand. It got to the place that I cringed whenever I was caught, even when I was caught by my mom, who never spanked me. I continued to cringe when I was caught for a long time after my parents divorced and Dad moved out, even though I knew Mom would never spank me. It still happens occasionally to this day.

This is the result of spanking.

In theory, I would never spank a child knowing what it did to me. In practice...I'm not sure because I don't know if I would have enough self control. This is a reason I have decided never to have kids of my own.
By estrellaSMC  Oct 01, 2009
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I believe that spanking a child not only hurts them physically, but it devastates them emotionally.
You are teaching them how to treat other when you treat them that way.

I never once spanked my daughter, and she is a well adjusted 12 year old with self confidence and love in her heart.

Instead of spanking them, give choices, take things away, I believe that the understanding as to "why" they chose the wrong path is a better deterrent than hitting a child.

The world is full of violence, a child's home should be a safe haven. Safe happy homes is a fundamental right that all child should have.

I hear some of you say that beating a child produces...."respect for their parents", "most well behaved kids"
Respect? come on..... If you do to your child what would be a illegal for anyone to do to you, you are nothing but a criminal in my book.

I wonder how many of the adult s who were beaten as children, leave their own children alone with their grandparents who beat them.

When you spank a child ... you are telling them that it's OK for someone to hit them, you will desensitize them and they will never know who to trust.

Teach them love , empathy, and self awareness early on and you will never have to resort to an animal-like approach to teach little people how to be human beings.
By TinaP123  Oct 01, 2009
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I believe violence begat's violence.Spanking's is A form of violence and that's what lead's to war's.I did time out's and grounding.I also told my children useing bad word's is violence and it's the same as hitting.Even when Rep.Wilson yelled up to president Obama was very violent.It's the same thing as if he would have went up and punched him.
By rinehart  Oct 01, 2009
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I'm a baby-boomer and I was spanked also, I do not believe in spanking. I also feared my parents and grew to resent them. I never learned from a spanking -- I just did it again to get them angry. I felt they spanked me cuz they were angry and didn't want to use words. This was very wrong. I felt like hitting them back. Hitting is wrong. I was taught not to hit my sibblings or anybody else, but they could hit me -- not acceptable.
I too don't have much contact with them.
By energylost  Oct 01, 2009
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Speaking as one who was spanked, I do not believe in spanking. I feared my parents, didn't trust them, grew to resent them. In spite of my unhappiness, I was honor role, gifted program. Now I am grown and I don't speak to either one, they don't know my number and they don't know where I live. Good riddance.
By dee33710  Sep 30, 2009
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Oy, spanking! I was spanked as a child and remember how we used to try to torment my mother by yelling and screaming when she spanked us when in reality we barely felt it (even though she used a wooden spoon sometimes - which was legal all those years ago).

So, do I spank my son? Not usually. To be honest, I have found that when my son is acting out and I am considering spanking it is because I have not been giving him very much attention and he wants more. I am a single parent so I know how hard it is. I still try not to spank. Partly because at my son's developmental level I think he does not undrestand me spanking but him not being allowed to hit others, but this level is specific to him. Sometimes I stop what I am doing and give him the time he is wanting, if I cannot I stop for a short time to redirect him to other (safe / acceptable) behaviors. Redirection for us sometimes includes a time out, and/or an explanation of expectations.

Spanking small children: I have heard that infants need you to gently tap the back of their hand with one finger while firmly saying 'no' and gently pulling their hand away from dangerous or 'no no' objects. This is supposed to be to help them learn the meaning of 'no' long before they understand a verbal explanation of it, but the way this was explained to me it is not supposed to include either slapping or hitting on the bottom (i.e. spanking). I am surprised to hear some mention of spanking infants and hope that people are just using different words to mean the same thing I have described.

So, I am not totally against spanking and feel that I do not suffer ill effects from having been spanked, but to be honest other methods work better for my son.
By Beryl367  Sep 30, 2009
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Ok, so what do you suggest? Time out? That doesn't work. I had to beg DHS to take my child because I was at the end of my rope. I wasn't working so there was no Carebridge at the time. My daughter ended up being sent to a group home and, only after the state was satisfied that she had issues, sent to an outpatient psychiatric school where she learned to cope with her illness (she was never medicated, thank GOD, but there is some strain of illness running through my family) and she was then put in an emotional support class in public school. I don't even know if these classes still exist in the public school system. Thankfully, my daughter is grown now and she has children of her own and I have input into their upbringing. They don't get spanked as much, but they do get spanked in extreme situations. Mostly, we just have to give them a disappointing look for them to get in line.
By cyndilu  Sep 30, 2009
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Oh, and by the way, if you can correct me for being wrong with my view, then I am more than happy to listen to a voice of reason, however as it stands, for now at least, I AM THAT VOICE, lol!!!
By BeatinBP  Sep 30, 2009
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Nobody is/was born with horns in head, pitch fork in hand, NOBODY!!! ALL behaviour is learned, and taught by whomever. Children are the most impressionable, trusting, innocent, and even gullible of all human beings.

They copy what they believe to be acceptable behaviour patterns, regardless of whether right or wrong. To physically assault them for merely playing out what they have learned is a crime against them in more ways than one. You do not have to be a Rhode Scholar to work this out, but then again.
By BeatinBP  Sep 30, 2009

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