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Teens with Fatalistic Attitudes Engage in Risky Behaviors
Posted in ADHD / ADD by Cyndi Sarnoff-Ross on Jul 01, 2009

A survey was done using more than 20,000 teenagers, which resulted in a disturbing outcome. Almost 15% of these teens had the belief that they would die at a young age.  A commonly held belief about why teens engage in risky behavior is that they feel they are immortal, invincible and somehow impervious to harm. It has also been assumed that these youth do not understand the consequences of their behavior. Based on this study many teens reported using drugs and engaging in risky behavior because they felt hopeless about their future. This study was conducted at the University of Minnesota and was authored by Dr. Iris Borowsky. In essence, these teens felt that they didn't have much to lose and therefore they had little regard for their own well-being.

It turns out that the teens with the more fatalistic attitude were not more likely to die early as a result of their belief system but they were more likely than their more optimistic counterparts to engage in activities that could eventually lead to an early demise.  This belief that one may die young, in some cases, may be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

It is important to note that there were cultural considerations in this study and many of those teens with  negative visions may have had good reason to be pessimistic.  Blacks, Native Americans and low-income teens, all who are disproportionately exposed to more adversity and violence, were more likely to report that they would live a relatively short life.

This study has profound implications on the possibility of detecting a teen's propensity for risk taking behavior. Simply asking the question about life expectancy may provide answers that foreshadow future difficulties. This is important information for Pedestrians, school teachers, parents and anyone that works with children and preteens. It may offer an early warning signal that lets the adults know that a teen is at risk and support and counseling can be offered.  By the time a teen reaches a therapist's office negative patterns of behavior have been established. It is not until the parents or school feel that they themselves can no longer manage a teen that they seek out the help of a professional. If we could have information about the potential for risk taking behavior, before the actual behavior begins, it would go a long way towards servicing the needs of at risk youth.



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This is very interesting....I wonder if there's a link to a fatalistic attitude and the brain chemistry of depression and/or self-loathing/self-hate? I had just read a book about cutting, and it was very interesting to explore why people would want to hurt themselves.
By cwyni  Jul 29, 2009
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As someone who personally knew Nick Contreras who died in an AZ boot camp about 12 yrs ago,& lots more like him, I hope that other programs become available to help such kids. Coddling such kids seems to just empower them to get progressively worse. I'm not qualified to formulate such programs, but I have to say that trying to keep family together for everyones sake is a joke!!! If single parents are partying instead of supervising/ interacting kids & poverty gets mixed in. Crime of some types will happen Stealing cars, shoplifting, drugs, are all gonna happen. & kids are treated like thier the victim!!! These are not thoughts; they are observed policies. Comments anyone??
p s Im a 56 yr old g-pa
God Bless
By chipchip  Jul 20, 2009
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The fact that I feel like I'm going to die earlier rather than later has let me live my life completely free and without regret. Just like if someone told you that you had 1 year left to live, you'd actually live it how you wanted, hopefully. The future holds what it will hold, so I'm just going to live today - in the here and now. Que Sera Sera - what will be, will be.
By xbrokenxhallelujahx  Jul 16, 2009
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You may have not read the national interned news about a 14 yr old girl who died in a car she shared with 4 boys. The driver was a male who drove around the down railroad gate, around a car and tried to beat the train who hit the car and killed them. This happened in near Detroit. Tragic and the article on the internet states that kids take chances when other kids are with them. This is not the only case of kids under 21 or 30 taking risky chances.
By Jeanne100  Jul 12, 2009
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This survey is predictable. As we can see the youth everywhere, most of them acts like there is no tomorrow for them. I believe that elders are responsible for this. Culture also is a big factor but this isn't the main source of this problem. There are lots of it that worsen this issue. Learn more: easy loans.
By KalebN  Jul 06, 2009
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The hypothesis of the study seems to be that the idea of fatalism gets "into our heads" at a young age and we decide to go ahead and do risky sorts of things. Another hypothesis of the study is that we take these risks under the assumption that we have nothing to gain. This is where things get complicated. I think the second hypothesis is false because it is contradicted by gender. If our minds are so malleable as to be easily influenced by such fatalistic ideas, then we shouldn't find a difference between men and women in terms of likelihood of taking risks, and yet is practically common knowledge that young men engage in many more risky activities than their female counterparts.

What makes the second hypothesis false is the well-supported fact that we are a species that evolved to take risks in certain environments in which we would have had a substantial amount to gain from doing so. Young men have more to gain in the currency of social status by taking risks than women do, which is why you find so many more taking those risks. Again, a substantial amount of evidence shows with a good level of certainty that women prefer men who have lots of friends, money, and other kinds of social status. Taking risks within a group is one such way of attaining said status, though there are many others. Men have evolved to match the preferences of women because that is what gets their genes into the next generation.
Though culture certainly has a role to play, evidence suggests it is around %50. Granted, that is a big 50, but it is a 50 that is built on the platform of the default settings that evolution by natural selection has programmed into us.

Also, we should expect to find men in low-income areas to be more inclined to take risks precisely because they stand to gain more for taking those risks. If they don't take those risks, they face a life of being the low man on the totem pole, which is no way to secure an income or have a family. Strange as it may seem, risk taking is adaptive for our species. And we aren't the only species that does it. Peacock feathers are incredibly risky for the young peacock because they attract predators. They also attract females, so there is an ecological balance in which some young peacocks are killed because of their feathers while others live long enough to mate and have more ornamented offspring. It is cruel, but it is life. We can only hope to improve the economic situation of our risk-taking brethren so that they don't feel the need to do so as much.

Anecdotally, I am a young man, and I take lots of risks with action sports. They are exhilirating, and I wouldn't trade any of my greatest moments for anything. They were also my riskiest moments, but that rush is so great that words can hardly describe it. I am programmed to love taking risks. It actually makes me happy. The rush I get doesn't "justify" it, but it does give context and perspective. I know people who would rather die than live another day without the joy of taking risks. It gives life color. I think that as a society, we need to direct risk taking to a constructive place where it is more measured and controlled. I wear a helmet when I'm out snowboarding. It is but one of many precautions I take to ensure that my risks aren't "stupid," whatever that may mean.

To conclude, it is false to assume that all variation amongst individuals is due to culture alone. Behavior genetics studies show that culture counts for %50. The rest is the code in the genes that built us. I should also mention that we still don't know much about the %50 culture part. We find many more similarities between identical twins than are explained by culture. The genetic contribution for them is somewhere around %80. In time, it is likely that we will find that many of our cultural "ideas" are outgrowths of the nature our genes built for us. The idea of marriage didn't just pop up out of nowhere. It was a way for men and women to present a union to a group, almost as a way of saying, "He/She's mine. Don't you dare touch him/her or everybody in our tribe will know what you are up to." This, in turn, is built on the platform of genes. It's good for men's genes when their wives don't cheat because it guarantees their fatherhood. Similarly, it is good for women when their men don't cheat because it means their man is likely to stick around to care for the kid. We created a tradition around our nature and we called it culture.
By bendixso  Jul 05, 2009
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Unfortunately, no matter what is "done" to try to remedy risky behaviors of youth, it is something that will continue. Youth will always think they are invincible and immortal. It's part of the mentality of youth. We do live in an era when there seems to be more harmful consequences to risky behavior.

I have been blessed to know many people who are making a difference in the lives of some youth. It gives me hope. There are those people who have lived through hell who are affected to make a difference in the world. There are also those who have not lived it, who are willing to make a difference in the world. I believe the youth that are blessed by such people will make a difference in their parenting, which is an extremely important part of the equation. Personal responsibility is taught by those who live it, it is "caught" in growing up or by personal conviction.

So much money is spent on studies by the government to report statistics that cannot truly be helped by more money being spent by the government on a program that doesn't work. Does knowing the statistics help anyone? Surely, the money could be put to better use. (not to mention, our government is spending money we don't truly have, it's all borrowed)
Becky
By BeckySy  Jul 05, 2009
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Isn't feeling immortal and believing they'd die young contradictory ideas? When I was younger I took more risks, probably because I was a little more care free but I think if I believed those risks would lead to my death I would have been a little more conservative!
By GoldfishCM  Jul 05, 2009
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Appleby, I don't think you highlight anything that I do not agree with, but answer the remedy to the following. My mum, as a child, was repeatedly raped by friends of her father whom paid him $10 a pop to feed his alcohol addiction. An uncle, a war veteran, lived under the same roof as her for a time and he also repeatedly raped her, he even accused my child mum of cheating on him. My mum was abused that much that she sincerely believed that it was a normal course of event for her to grow up that way.

My mother received no counselling whatsoever for her abuse, she has lived her entire 70 year life without help, tell me, and convince me, how would anybody have been able to help her given that she never believed that such help existed? She was abused by both her parents, supposedly the two most important people in her life, and was led to believe that that was normal. This is the point that I am trying to make, my mum could quite easily have gone off the rails, but didn't, but I bet you there are millions of people out there that live in the western world who could tell similar stories and justifiably hate society for letting them down, and act accordingly. Make no mistake, SOCIETY let my mother down.

You talk of intervention, but that doesn't get out to everybody, because sadly it is impossible to do so, so without intervention we see these poor souls spend their "conseqence time" eventually in jail, where they belong? I think not.

You are right to say I know very few slum kids, the fact is I know none, I live in Australia, and whilst homelessness exists it is obviously not to the same degree that it happens in your very proud country.
By BeatinBP  Jul 05, 2009
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BeatinBP,you clearly do not know very many slum kids, or for that matter very many very wealthy kids (the behaviours are quite similar in many cases, for the same reason). I went on a round the world cruise when i was a senior at University, a gift from an eccentric uncle who had grown up dirt poor and Made Good through his own determination, by the time he was 35. It was called the World Campus Afloat, and many if not most of the students were the children of famous people. You could ell which of us were the working and middle class kids -- we were the ones who were clean, neat, well dressed and well behaved, and who were not getting arrested in foreign lands. We had been instructed in how to behave, and we knew that everything we did reflected upon our parents. The wealthy kids were (frequently) ill-dressed, bad mannered, dirty and in endless trouble. Nobody had taught them any better.

I taught a class of slum kids aged 10 (grade 5) in an after-school program and in the main they were eager to learn -- once they knew that somebody actually cared if they learned, and particularly once they understood the advantage in learning. There were little girls who were the *mothers* in their families because their mothers were worthless lumps or absent on their own adventures (prostitution, drug addiction, crime, *partying*) and either they looked after their siblings or nobody did. The program had a community garden, and both boys and girls were tending gardens that helped feed their siblings and sometimes their mothers.

In both cases -- rich and poor -- the kids were shaped by the worthless or oblivious people around them, but they would respond to the other sort if people around them took an interest or showed them a better way. Up to a point. The ones that did not respond and that ended up in prison or reform school or boot camp were also an example -- of actions = consequences. If there are no consequences save some liberal whining *Oh those poor babies! See what WE did to them!* they will go on to be even more worthless and dangerous to the world. There are consequnces for good behaviour and for bad behaviour. Be sure these kids reap what they sow. That is the way to turn them around.
By Appleby  Jul 04, 2009
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My son was an admitted thrillseeker & said that not knowing If you're gonna survive a stunt is an "unbeatable rush" Would this be like the joy of facing the unknown??
God Bless
By chipchip  Jul 04, 2009
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Just a little addition to my previous comment. I just read the comment of Shocked137 and find it impossible to believe that he honestly believes his own words. We are not born independently, it isn't until we reach a certain age in our lives that we become so, until then we rely on our parents, our aunts and uncles, our grand parents, our school teachers etc. to properly guide us there.

If this cluster of people fail us then we will be menaces to society, and why? Because that is what we have been taught, how can we know better unless we have been taught so? It is easy as a do-gooder to throw it back onto the individual to be responsible for their actions, but I do not agree with this belief, it is a short sighted view, and an opinion invariably cast by one who has been more fortunate of a better upbringing.

Children are innocent, and therefore vulnerable, and sadly, for a proportion of them, they are robbed, they are taken advantage of and wounded, for some, mortally. Make no mistake, we are all products of our upbringings and live our lives according to that blueprint, with the odd exception.
By BeatinBP  Jul 03, 2009
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The above certainly makes sense, my question is though, who cares enough to take the necessary steps required to fix what appears to be an obvious problem? There is little doubt in my mind that part of this 15% would also be criminally minded, what does society do with criminals? Is putting this group in jail the remedy to the problem?

The odds are that a majority of this group would have been brought up abusively, they would not have been properly protected by society when help was needed the most, and would not turn to it for help later on, instead taking the law into their own hands, and being punished for it accordingly. I know I have wandered off here somewhat, but I do believe that this group take such risks because they have be poorly treated and educated in their most important formative years, a fact that this article does not necessarily highlight.
By BeatinBP  Jul 03, 2009
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I have been to USA in the years 1968 -72 back here in 2001 to live. I was in midwest & west earlier & now I live near Washington D. C.. I have been associated with university teaching and research. I have closely observed teens during this period. When I first observed them the freshmen were shabily dressed , clothes dirty, smoking, drinking and sometimes trying drugs to do experiments on themselves & others. They were least bothered about the consequences. Today the students are all well dressed & very particular in attending classes & finishing their homework/assignments etc. They behave well in class & outside. Even their behaviour on road is good. Of course on road they may cross speed limits as is usual with teens when behind a driving wheel in a car.. I wonder what this study shows & is it based on a large enough sample to predict the future of our current generation of teens.
By hindustani41  Jul 02, 2009
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Alright, Appleby! Finally someone who feels the same way that I do... We create the life that we live with every decision we make. Take responsibilty for your actions, make your life what you want it to be and please, stop blaming others for what you have done to yourself!
By Shocked137  Jul 02, 2009
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I grew up in the 1960s and virtually everybody thought he or she would die young back then -- in case you are too young to remember, we had all the same worldwide problems we have now, plus a glut of unemployed college graduates with huge college loans, who had been told that as soon as we had our degrees we would be stepping into big time salaries and instead stepped into the Nixon Wage-Price Freeze. We also had the Atomic Clock ticking, the imminence of Mutually Assured Destruction, the Berlin Wall and the Cold War, and we had the Draft.

Most of the people who were sure they would die young are still around making rabbit hash of the world by pushing sex, drugs, and boo-hooing over Michael Jackson who of cousre pushed sex and drugs through his lifetime and his music. Many of those crying over his self-inflicted demise will follow him into his grave, unless the parents who are crying right next to them start acting like adults and help them clean up their act.

And just for your information, the Blacks and *Native Americans* [Indians] who are *being exposed to* a wretched environment are in fact being exposed to it by the example of their wretched parent(s) who have been taught by the same Hippies who planned to die young, that they are entitled to a free ride on the gravy train to the Big Rock Candy Mountain for life, and have discovered that the world does not in fact work that way...and as they rotate in and out of rehab, prison, foster care and Programs, they are passing along their screwed up lives to their kids.

We will only see a diminution of this problem when we jerk this world back to Personal Responsibility and stop blaming everybody else for the fact that our personal surroundings and circumstances suck. It IS their own fault. THEY need to clean up their act.
By Appleby  Jul 02, 2009
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Thank you Cyndi for the awareness blog. Served this population for more than 8 years. There is a great need for recognition of issue.

Cris, LMFT
By CrisD  Jul 02, 2009
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