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Cyndi Sarnoff-Ross is a licensed psychotherapist with almost twenty years of clinical experience in the fields of clinical psychology and organizational management br br She has worked extensively with a wide variety of…
How do you know when your marriage is really over?
Posted in Healthy Relatio... by Cyndi Sarnoff-Ross on Nov 05, 2009
A member wrote asking when to call it quits in her efforts to reconcile with her husband. Her attempts at finding a couple’s therapist, her husband’s lack of motivation to pursue counseling, and his "jealous and suspicious" behavior have made her question the point of trying any longer.

There's no easy answer but I want to stress that no one on the outside can tell you when your marriage is truly over. That is a personal decision and one that should be considered carefully. What I can tell you is, that is it extremely difficult to reconcile after a separation without outside intervention. Typically the problems that separated you in the first place will resurface and you will be back in a combative situation. From the little information the member provided about her husband, it sounds as if there are some severe issues with power and control at play. Accusing your mate of affairs or inappropriate relationships outside the marriage, when there doesn’t seem to be any justification for it, can be a sign of possessiveness and even potential abuse.

My suggestion would be to get into her own therapy and explore some of these issues. If the issues of power and control have always been present in the relationship then this member should continue to seek counseling until she has a better awareness of the dynamic. It may be that this jealous behavior by her husband is a new development. She needs to clarify her role in the relationship and her desire to reunite with her husband. It sounds, from her question, as though they are both conflicted about whether or not this marriage is over so, ideally, the two of them should get into a marriage counselor’s office together and hash out the issues. Technically the marriage is over when the divorce is final. Emotionally it is much less clear when a marriage, let alone any committed relationship is truly over.

Cyndi

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I wish someone told me this two years ago when my husband and I reconciled, today we are going down the same road of divorce, with the same issues that landed us there in the first place!
By TammiS  Nov 14, 2009
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I agree that nobody outside a marriage can decide when it is over. This may not be "popular" but I truly believe that if you have children & there is no abuse, than parents should stay together & raise their children if they can be civil towards one another. I understand that there are always exceptions to this such as addictions, adultery, etc.

I am no martyr, however, I stayed with my ex for years after I had fallen out of love with him for the sake of my children. I waited until they were off to college to leave him. Looking back, it was HARD - I was depressed, lonely in my marriage, dissatisfied (found DS lol), felt hopeless & trapped but it was so much easier to leave with the children out of the home.

With that being said & for people who are married w/o children, I agree with comment #9 "Once the heart loses feeling towards someone, it's over."
By jazzergirl  Nov 14, 2009
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Therapy, counselling, personal decisions etc are fine (although I have little if any time for counsellors for various reasons) but how can one stop people telling lies or twisting facts, back stabbind and are taken as fact by the partner? There are 2 sides to every story and in my case, my ex chose to believe others without giving me a chance to explain. Has anyone else experienced this and refused the option to TALK over things?
By Hankwheelie  Nov 12, 2009
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once the heart loses feeling toward someone, it's over.

once the judge decrees, it's legally over

:)
By GeocacherNY  Nov 11, 2009
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I new my marriage was over when he STARTED going to the bar almost every night. It wasn't about me, it was about him, what he wanted and needed. Since he felt this wasn't the thing to do I knew something was WRONG with him, yeah it was about him.
This isn't marriage or committment behavor so I gave him back his single life and 8 yrs later wanted to meet for coffee or tea. Singe Life wasn't so sweet when he realized what he destroyed. The one that causes the divorce they see later down the road what they did, it doesn't need to be brought to their attention.
By energylost  Nov 11, 2009
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Lizzz,
Thanks for the kind words and thoughts. I'm sorry to hear how your husband deteriorated so badly.
Please note that I wasn't talking about women so much as women-plus-the-system. I was also referring to the operators of this site who are unable and/or unwilling to acknowledge that issue.
Best wishes to you.
By ESF  Nov 10, 2009
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I'm sorry, ESF, that you've had some negative experiences with women to have the cynical feelings that you do. Marriage can be a wonderful thing, and I still believe in it, although I'm not sure that I'll ever get married again. I was married for 20 years to a man who gradually deteriorated in mind and body and refused to get help until after I left him. Before I departed, I made sure that he had plenty to live on. I was sorry the marriage had to end, but he turned into a victim, and he refused to accept responsibility for anything that happened to him. He drained all the life out of me. While I dislike living alone, I am better off the way I am now. Not all women are evil incarnate, not all women cause or perpetuate DV (although there was probably emotional abuse in our relationship at times, if yelling at each other is emotional abuse), and not all women leave men high and dry when a relationship is over. I hope someday you find a woman you can trust.
By lizzz  Nov 08, 2009
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Any thinking man knows: DON'T GET MARRIED - unless you feel like getting legally kicked out of your home on a false allegation by your wife; having your paycheck, pension, or other assets seized; etc. If I remember right, Cindy is the "expert" here who implies that men perpetrate all of domestic violence, when the TRUTH is that women perpetrate DV as often as men do. A man is best advised to AVOID women like that - because they will be the most likely to use the system to rape a man! A man's best strategy is to identify the few male-positive women out there...and stick to her like glue....but don't marry her!
By ESF  Nov 07, 2009
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Marriage is a licensed commited relationship. I watched my parents argue & fight while my father was a cheating, controlling wife beater that my mother sought constantly to please. I was happy when they finally divorced. & my point is to Please not try to keep together for the kids. My 92 yr old father thinks he was a great husband & provider ( can anyone's memory be that selective?) l think that when 1 person falls out of love & into resentment, the honorable thing to do is dissolve the union for the sake of all concerned
God Bless
By chipchip  Nov 07, 2009
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i done a little reading when my 18 yr marriage blew up. although one person can dissolve a marriage, generally there are two people who have had their fill. power struggle indeed. my ex wanted a non-working bum whom she could push around. i was considered a control freak cause i pushed my family to help them realize their respective dreams. my oldest son wanted a new dune buggy engine but didnt want to get his ass outta bed to build said engine. i controlled the direction of my family, i hear that thats unacceptable by todays skewed standards. tough s###..
By capnhardass  Nov 06, 2009
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fight* for a cause greater than themselves.
By danw78  Nov 05, 2009
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Everyone has different boundaries. Mine is infidelity. Once that boundary is broken...its over. I do believe that marriage is important and feel too many people opt out too quickly..this in turn has a huge ripple effect throughout society, and now we are seeing a 'like never before' amount of children growing up in broken homes.
The obvious answer is to try and keep original marriages together, for spouses to roll their sleeves up and for for a cause greater than themselves.
By danw78  Nov 05, 2009
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