Standing in line at Target the other day, a woman behind me said in a frustrated voice, “Why can’t people control their children?” It is a pretty noisy store so I hadn’t noticed anything until I looked around and saw a woman trying to cajole her child out of the store after the child had made quite a mess near the register. It was one of those moments when you simultaneously feel badly for the struggling parent and unfortunately (and unfairly) just a little judgmental. Thankfully no one said anything to the struggling mom but I know the woman behind me in line felt like doing so.
I have heard from many of you here at DS about your frustration with other people’s children. Sometimes the comments are warranted and sometimes, well, they are just plain angry attacks. Either way I have often wondered how those of you who are frequently annoyed by other people’s children interact with them out in the world. Do you discipline other people’s children if you feel the parents aren’t doing a good job of it? There are good arguments for both sides of this issue.
In favor of staying out of it is the idea that it is not our business and that people have different parenting styles. Life out in the world is messy and we can’t always have quiet when we want it particularly when we are somewhere that people frequent with their children. In some cases we can avoid the aggravation by not going to places that children are likely to be running amok. I would say that Target, at certain hours of the day, is definitely one of those places. We can and should respect other people’s boundaries even when we feel ours are being encroached upon. That goes under the old saying that two wrongs don’t make a right.
The argument for disciplining other people’s children includes the notion of 'it takes a village.' Do we not do a disservice to everyone if we don’t intervene when we see kids engaging in inappropriate behavior? An example of this might be if we witnessed a group of kids in the act of bullying or if we see a child in a store willfully damaging property while their parent remains oblivious. Not only are we likely to have a positive effect on the misbehaving child but we are also setting an example for our own children by redirecting that child in their presence. We are teaching our children to get involved, stand up for what is right, and be concerned about things beyond themselves and their own life. These are good character traits to build.
I think we can all agree that in the interest of safety we should always intervene. If a child’s behavior is putting them or someone else in danger it is incumbent upon us to get involved. In my opinion, when another child’s behavior affects your own child, for instance a child becomes rough or aggressive with your child at the park or another public place, then you need to step in and model for your child how to be assertive and take care of yourself. As they get older you can help them with the words to do this themselves. Depending upon a number of different variables including, the circumstance, the other child’s behavior, and even my mood I may or may not chose to get involved in a situation that has nothing to do with me or my own children. I have often pulled over in my neighborhood to admonish teens playing in the street putting themselves at risk and frankly making it hazardous to pass by them. But in a situation like the one I experienced at Target I would keep my opinions to myself. No one really knows what is going on at that particular moment with that parent or child and to assume that the parent simply doesn’t discipline their child is definitely making a judgment with very few of the facts.
I can clearly see both sides of this argument and recognize that different moments call for different types of responses. It would be interesting to hear from some of you on this subject particularly those who have been so vocal in the past about their reaction to other children’s behavior in public.
Cyndi
Hey JsShadow you got it right, That's what I'm sayin too :)
I do feel sorry for kids who are forced to shop all day, no food, snacks and the most boring trip of their lives --shopping in shops with no interest to them for HOURS.
TAKE THE SCREAMIN KIDS HOME :|
Sorry to rant here, I just don't understand why instead of pointing fingers people don't offer a hand or even a small gesture of kindness & compassion. A sympathetic smile can keep a mom from snapping & making things worse. Let the parent with the screaming kid go ahead of you in line. Make a silly goofy face at a child getting rowdy. See a child having a fit & a parent struggling? ASK - can I help in any way? In my opinion, if you are not willing to do those small things, just move on by without acknowledging, & maybe ask yourself about your own actions & behavior.
Sorry to rant here, I just don't understand why instead of pointing fingers people don't offer a hand or even a small gesture of kindness & compassion. A sympathetic smile can keep a mom from snapping & making things worse. Let the parent with the screaming kid go ahead of you in line. Make a silly goofy face at a child getting rowdy. See a child having a fit & a parent struggling? ASK - can I help in any way? In my opinion, if you are not willing to do those small things, just move on by without acknowledging, & maybe ask yourself about your own actions & behavior.
My daughter has an autism spectrum disorder & sensory processing disorder. She "seems normal" to look at, you wouldn't peg her as having autism or ADHD unless you KNEW her WELL. The stimulation of being in a public place, the normal noises, lights, sheer activity & volume of grocery stores, department stores, etc effect her neurologically - actually take over the way her brain is working, so to speak.
I never saw this when I was growing up! If I did act out, my mother took me outside and really gave it to me, verbally, and reminded me She was going to deal with me further, when we got home! She wanted us to be well-behaved in public -- to respect people and others property!
A lot of kids are disrespectful becuz it is a reflection of an absent parent. Screaming is unbearable -- not pleasant to anyone's ears, and the other stuff that goes on. I was NOT Permitted to scream at home becuz it was unpleasant, so therefore, I didn't scream in public.
When I see this, I blame the parent (s) and---
I WISH I COULD STEP IN TO SHUT THE KID UP TO STOP THEM from YELLING for HOURS!!!!!!!!!!
What children display today, is very unacceptable!
My reflection in public was what I was taught at home and acted - respectfully, no yelling, hitting, throwing other's property on the floor, demolishing others property.
I see that that parent has NOTHING TO SAY to the child during the "acting out" in public.
Kids can cry, BUT SCREAMING IS OUT OF CONTROL!
Yeah, I'd like to offer a Hand instead of judgment!! The PARENT will let the kid (s) RUN, FIGHT, WITHOUT ANY discipline for the WHOLE HOUR OR 2 they are in the store.
The SCREAMING IS TOTALLY UNBEARABLE. I don't think it would be permissible for me to shut the kid up, but yet the parent doesn't do anything about it. Oh, and it gets worse when they are at the register, there the kid screams EVEN LOUDER.
THIS TELLS ME THEY DO THIS AT HOME!!!
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW PARENTS CAN LET THIS GO ON, I TRULLY DON'T!!
I'm sorry, but this account of this experience just felt a little too stuffy to me! Chill out...
I completely agree with comment #11... well said.
My siblings and I were told not to touch anything AND TO PUT IT BACK becuz we could break things and it needed to be put back the way we found it.
She didn't let us litter.
WE would have never Licked the Mirrors, this would have been considered to be FILTHLY! This happens pretty much all day!
I would have never thought of to pull tags off the clothes, either, but they do this also and yeah it ends up -- on the floor!
Adults R just as bad, their coffee from starbucks -- ends up on the floor in a corner, or in the f.room, under clothes,
Why can't adults just ask for a garbage can or take it out to the mall, there are g. cans there too!
In my day, we were brought up with HIGHER STANDARDS!
Good article!!
14. Kids will deliberately Knock Down the T-stands (that have clothes on them)!
NOW, THIS ALL GOES ON PRETTY MUCH EVERY DAY, EVERY HOUR!
I Don't see ANY discipline! So I've been stepping in recently becuz the parent(S) DO NOT!
It would be nice if the parents control their kids in public and themselves too. I don't understand how they cannot hear or see any of this going on!!
6. There's a floor mirror and the kids Fight over who gets to stand in front of the mirror!
7. Immediately 1 or all of them will Lick the mirror and then Smear it!!
8. They Swing at the clothes on the rack so they end up -- on the floor!
9. They Immediately Lick the mirror in the fitting room and Smear it!!
10. They come in with treats, and yeah it ends up -- on the floor and the parent is just as bad at this!!
11. They try anything on --shoes, coats, hair things and yeah it ends up -- on the floor!
12. While in the f.room With the Parent, the kid tries to open the locked door making the DOOR create a lot of noise, Oh and Screaming at the same time!
1. They can shop for hours with a child SCREAMING so loud you can hear them from here to New York, IF YOUR NOT IN NY!
2. It's fair to say that if there are 2 siblings, they will Fight, and yeah there will be Crying!
3. After 2 minutes their Running around like it's a ball field!
4. Within 2 minutes the children are Tearing up the store --Taking signs down and they end up --on the floor!