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Cyndi Sarnoff-Ross is a licensed psychotherapist with almost twenty years of clinical experience in the fields of clinical psychology and organizational management br br She has worked extensively with a wide variety of…
Should you discipline someone else’s child in public?
Posted in Parenting Presc... by Cyndi Sarnoff-Ross on Oct 21, 2009
Standing in line at Target the other day, a woman behind me said in a frustrated voice, “Why can’t people control their children?” It is a pretty noisy store so I hadn’t noticed anything until I looked around and saw a woman trying to cajole her child out of the store after the child had made quite a mess near the register. It was one of those moments when you simultaneously feel badly for the struggling parent and unfortunately (and unfairly) just a little judgmental. Thankfully no one said anything to the struggling mom but I know the woman behind me in line felt like doing so.

I have heard from many of you here at DS about your frustration with other people’s children. Sometimes the comments are warranted and sometimes, well, they are just plain angry attacks. Either way I have often wondered how those of you who are frequently annoyed by other people’s children interact with them out in the world. Do you discipline other people’s children if you feel the parents aren’t doing a good job of it? There are good arguments for both sides of this issue.

In favor of staying out of it is the idea that it is not our business and that people have different parenting styles. Life out in the world is messy and we can’t always have quiet when we want it particularly when we are somewhere that people frequent with their children. In some cases we can avoid the aggravation by not going to places that children are likely to be running amok. I would say that Target, at certain hours of the day, is definitely one of those places. We can and should respect other people’s boundaries even when we feel ours are being encroached upon. That goes under the old saying that two wrongs don’t make a right.

The argument for disciplining other people’s children includes the notion of 'it takes a village.' Do we not do a disservice to everyone if we don’t intervene when we see kids engaging in inappropriate behavior? An example of this might be if we witnessed a group of kids in the act of bullying or if we see a child in a store willfully damaging property while their parent remains oblivious. Not only are we likely to have a positive effect on the misbehaving child but we are also setting an example for our own children by redirecting that child in their presence. We are teaching our children to get involved, stand up for what is right, and be concerned about things beyond themselves and their own life. These are good character traits to build.

I think we can all agree that in the interest of safety we should always intervene. If a child’s behavior is putting them or someone else in danger it is incumbent upon us to get involved. In my opinion, when another child’s behavior affects your own child, for instance a child becomes rough or aggressive with your child at the park or another public place, then you need to step in and model for your child how to be assertive and take care of yourself. As they get older you can help them with the words to do this themselves. Depending upon a number of different variables including, the circumstance, the other child’s behavior, and even my mood I may or may not chose to get involved in a situation that has nothing to do with me or my own children. I have often pulled over in my neighborhood to admonish teens playing in the street putting themselves at risk and frankly making it hazardous to pass by them. But in a situation like the one I experienced at Target I would keep my opinions to myself. No one really knows what is going on at that particular moment with that parent or child and to assume that the parent simply doesn’t discipline their child is definitely making a judgment with very few of the facts.

I can clearly see both sides of this argument and recognize that different moments call for different types of responses. It would be interesting to hear from some of you on this subject particularly those who have been so vocal in the past about their reaction to other children’s behavior in public.

Cyndi


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As for giving someone a hand, I don't know if that would be met with resentment or acceptance. Some people don't want any kind of interference whatsoever. I do think a sympathetic smile to the struggling parent is a nice gesture, though. I would only interfere if someone was getting hurt. I have done that when a child was trying to climb out of a cart and mom or dad wasn't looking, for example, but even then, I choose my words carefully, "Oh, be careful sweetheart! You might fall out on your head!!"
By GMaWilli  Oct 30, 2009
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I don't understand why people have more kids than they can handle. I was not addressing kids with behavorial problems, this would be out of line.

Hey JsShadow you got it right, That's what I'm sayin too :)

I do feel sorry for kids who are forced to shop all day, no food, snacks and the most boring trip of their lives --shopping in shops with no interest to them for HOURS.

TAKE THE SCREAMIN KIDS HOME :|
By energylost  Oct 28, 2009
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If a child was in danger or was hurting another child I would get involved. I can never understand parents shopping with unwilling children, how boring for them. How would we like to be taken to shops we have no interest in and be hauled around for hours. Get a babysitter or family member to watch the kids. Shop when they are at school or after dinner, or at the weekend when there is someone there to keep an eye on them. When you have no other choice but to take them with you keep it short, take a snack and water for them to drink. They have little stomachs and can get dehydrated. For those in line, let those with tired toddlers go ahead. Kids that age don't know why they have to wait and don't have any staying power. The mothers of these children and everyone in line will be grateful. Lastly, a screaming child should be taken out immediately and the adult should shop at another time. I have done all of the above. A Grandmother.
By JsShadow  Oct 26, 2009
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Mandy, just want you to know I read your rant and understand. (((((HUGS))))) You make some excellent points. Every generation since the time letters were first written thinks the generation younger than them is lazy and disrespectful. People seem to love to pass judgement. There is a certain cockiness to youth, it can be true, but lecturing and sermonizing do not teach them humility. Showing compassion by example is the way to lead.
By pianogirl  Oct 24, 2009
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I would not get involved unless I thought that the child was in imminent danger of being hurt, or I thought the child looked like there was abuse going on in private. Otherwise, having had two children, I understand how hard it is to do ten things at once, and I am well aware of when my children are misbehaving. Those who comment are usually people with an old-fashioened sense of child discipline - they never spared the rod. You get great results when you beat your children while they are small, but things change when they grow up. Modern parents know that, but people of older generations have no clue. They just beat their children to get them to be afraid of them and behave, and then wondered why their relationships with their adult children are so bad.
By AngloAustrian  Oct 24, 2009
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To the adults who speak to me or my child rudely or even cruelly, make disgusted noises & hostile faces at my child, I sometimes say "She's 5 with a neurological & autism spectrum disorder - how do you explain YOUR behavior?" Try to imagine, here you are a short small child surrounded by big powerful adults who are glaring at you & radiating anger-does that calm you down?!

Sorry to rant here, I just don't understand why instead of pointing fingers people don't offer a hand or even a small gesture of kindness & compassion. A sympathetic smile can keep a mom from snapping & making things worse. Let the parent with the screaming kid go ahead of you in line. Make a silly goofy face at a child getting rowdy. See a child having a fit & a parent struggling? ASK - can I help in any way? In my opinion, if you are not willing to do those small things, just move on by without acknowledging, & maybe ask yourself about your own actions & behavior.
By MandyRW  Oct 24, 2009
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To the adults who speak to me or my child rudely or even cruelly, make disgusted noises & hostile faces at my child, I sometimes say "She's 5 with a neurological & autism spectrum disorder - how do you explain YOUR behavior?" Try to imagine, here you are a short small child surrounded by big powerful adults who are glaring at you & radiating anger-does that calm you down?!

Sorry to rant here, I just don't understand why instead of pointing fingers people don't offer a hand or even a small gesture of kindness & compassion. A sympathetic smile can keep a mom from snapping & making things worse. Let the parent with the screaming kid go ahead of you in line. Make a silly goofy face at a child getting rowdy. See a child having a fit & a parent struggling? ASK - can I help in any way? In my opinion, if you are not willing to do those small things, just move on by without acknowledging, & maybe ask yourself about your own actions & behavior.
By MandyRW  Oct 24, 2009
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I am so tired of the judgmental stares & snotty comments when she needs to spin or just move around, touch things, makes weird noises or god forbid if it's suddenly too much & has a meltdown where her system overloads & she ends up in a screaming heap on the floor. There's many "normal looking" kids with these diagnoses & these are typical *symptoms* these kids suffer through. You think it's awful, try being the child. Or the parent, with a heart aching for your child, a mind frustrated with the sheer difficulty of even everyday tasks & a dose of humiliation on top.
By MandyRW  Oct 24, 2009
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Are there slacker parents who can't/don't discipline their kids? Absolutely. Are there 100% devoted parents who've had the day or even year from hell & are doing their best to keep a million balls in the air & just can't sometimes? You betcha. Who are we to not only make snapshot judgments of a stranger's parenting ability but self righteously presume have the right &/or ability to step over a parent to their child? No one. You just don't know, not that child, that parent, nor what struggles the family may be facing.

My daughter has an autism spectrum disorder & sensory processing disorder. She "seems normal" to look at, you wouldn't peg her as having autism or ADHD unless you KNEW her WELL. The stimulation of being in a public place, the normal noises, lights, sheer activity & volume of grocery stores, department stores, etc effect her neurologically - actually take over the way her brain is working, so to speak.
By MandyRW  Oct 24, 2009
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I am a bit shocked by the overall tone of some comments, & saddened by the lack of compassion. There's no job harder nor more rewarding or unpredictable than parenting, because you are "making" another PERSON. No one can control another person's actions ALL the time, & no one is perfect, least of all the newest people in the world who are just beginning to learn an immense amount in a very short period. To me this seems an easy question: if a child's behavior is an immediate safety hazard to them or others, how can you NOT step in? If it's not, address the PARENT not the child- most kids nowadays are taught not to speak to strangers & may fear you. A simple friendly "Hi, I thought you might want to know your child ______" or if it directly affects you "Excuse me, I need to let you know your child _____" As an adult, model the manners & respect you are expecting from a child.
By MandyRW  Oct 24, 2009
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Oh, kids cry, but TANTRUMS are NOT acceptable!!!!!!!!!!!!
By energylost  Oct 23, 2009
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I am totally shocked at how kidz are permitted to "act out in" in public! I had no idea this was going on! I have always worked in an office atmosphere until recently so all of this is new to me.
I never saw this when I was growing up! If I did act out, my mother took me outside and really gave it to me, verbally, and reminded me She was going to deal with me further, when we got home! She wanted us to be well-behaved in public -- to respect people and others property!

A lot of kids are disrespectful becuz it is a reflection of an absent parent. Screaming is unbearable -- not pleasant to anyone's ears, and the other stuff that goes on. I was NOT Permitted to scream at home becuz it was unpleasant, so therefore, I didn't scream in public.

When I see this, I blame the parent (s) and---

I WISH I COULD STEP IN TO SHUT THE KID UP TO STOP THEM from YELLING for HOURS!!!!!!!!!!

What children display today, is very unacceptable!
By energylost  Oct 23, 2009
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Kidz who ACT OUT IN PUBLIC do so becuz this is a REFLECTION of how they ACT OUT AT HOME. They obviously are apermitted to act out WITHOUT any consequences.
My reflection in public was what I was taught at home and acted - respectfully, no yelling, hitting, throwing other's property on the floor, demolishing others property.

I see that that parent has NOTHING TO SAY to the child during the "acting out" in public.

Kids can cry, BUT SCREAMING IS OUT OF CONTROL!

Yeah, I'd like to offer a Hand instead of judgment!! The PARENT will let the kid (s) RUN, FIGHT, WITHOUT ANY discipline for the WHOLE HOUR OR 2 they are in the store.

The SCREAMING IS TOTALLY UNBEARABLE. I don't think it would be permissible for me to shut the kid up, but yet the parent doesn't do anything about it. Oh, and it gets worse when they are at the register, there the kid screams EVEN LOUDER.

THIS TELLS ME THEY DO THIS AT HOME!!!
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW PARENTS CAN LET THIS GO ON, I TRULLY DON'T!!
By energylost  Oct 23, 2009
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Oh, and comment #1... I forgot to add that was well said too. :o)
By guysgurl  Oct 23, 2009
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Comment #2- I want to know what is wrong with a father reading a book to his child on an airplane???? Are we not allowed to talk because other people need to 'work'??? Holy cow. You are on a freaking airplane. Would you rather he read to his child to keep them entertained or listen to the child whine and cry from boredom? Would any of you on that flight felt the same if he had been having a conversation with an adult speaking the same volume as he was while reading the book?
I'm sorry, but this account of this experience just felt a little too stuffy to me! Chill out...
I completely agree with comment #11... well said.
By guysgurl  Oct 23, 2009
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Sorry, but you all sound like a bunch of grumpy old men. We've all had days when our otherwise well-behaved child acts out and if you think your kids are/were perfect or that you were as a child you're deluding yourself. Lighten up. Kids cry and have tantrums. I agree they should not be allowed to destroy property and rudeness should have consequences at home, but in public, let the parents handle them and offer a hand instead of a judgement.
By pianogirl  Oct 22, 2009
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In my day, MY Mother Told me I was not going to embarrass her in public by throwing a fit in public (screaming)and I was going to get it when I got home.
My siblings and I were told not to touch anything AND TO PUT IT BACK becuz we could break things and it needed to be put back the way we found it.
She didn't let us litter.

WE would have never Licked the Mirrors, this would have been considered to be FILTHLY! This happens pretty much all day!

I would have never thought of to pull tags off the clothes, either, but they do this also and yeah it ends up -- on the floor!
Adults R just as bad, their coffee from starbucks -- ends up on the floor in a corner, or in the f.room, under clothes,
Why can't adults just ask for a garbage can or take it out to the mall, there are g. cans there too!

In my day, we were brought up with HIGHER STANDARDS!

Good article!!
By energylost  Oct 22, 2009
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13. I approached a Woman one day and told her that her daughter was tearing up the store, after the kid had thrown several signs -- On The Floor, and rearranged the clothes; she responded, "No, she couldn't have done this, we just got here"! As she said this, her other monster (daughter) threw a sign on the ground and then in Spanish told them to stop (I think)!
14. Kids will deliberately Knock Down the T-stands (that have clothes on them)!
NOW, THIS ALL GOES ON PRETTY MUCH EVERY DAY, EVERY HOUR!

I Don't see ANY discipline! So I've been stepping in recently becuz the parent(S) DO NOT!

It would be nice if the parents control their kids in public and themselves too. I don't understand how they cannot hear or see any of this going on!!
By energylost  Oct 22, 2009
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5. They Demolish the displays and play with the manicans they end up -- on the floor!
6. There's a floor mirror and the kids Fight over who gets to stand in front of the mirror!
7. Immediately 1 or all of them will Lick the mirror and then Smear it!!
8. They Swing at the clothes on the rack so they end up -- on the floor!
9. They Immediately Lick the mirror in the fitting room and Smear it!!
10. They come in with treats, and yeah it ends up -- on the floor and the parent is just as bad at this!!
11. They try anything on --shoes, coats, hair things and yeah it ends up -- on the floor!
12. While in the f.room With the Parent, the kid tries to open the locked door making the DOOR create a lot of noise, Oh and Screaming at the same time!
By energylost  Oct 22, 2009
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I work in a retail store, pt. It seems that parents lOSE their hearing and eyesight once they have a child!
1. They can shop for hours with a child SCREAMING so loud you can hear them from here to New York, IF YOUR NOT IN NY!
2. It's fair to say that if there are 2 siblings, they will Fight, and yeah there will be Crying!
3. After 2 minutes their Running around like it's a ball field!
4. Within 2 minutes the children are Tearing up the store --Taking signs down and they end up --on the floor!
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