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Cyndi Sarnoff-Ross is a licensed psychotherapist with almost twenty years of clinical experience in the fields of clinical psychology and organizational management br br She has worked extensively with a wide variety of…
Couples and Money – Honesty is the Best Policy
Posted in Anxiety by Cyndi Sarnoff-Ross on May 27, 2009

We all have ideas about money and most of us have some anxiety around financial issues. When two people come together to form a partnership (romantic or business) ideas about money can and often do clash. When money matters become personal, meaning within a family, a marriage or cohabitating partners, there is the potential for heated arguments and mistrust. This is why I feel strongly that full disclosure is the best course of action. Everyone in that union should know what the books look like.

Who pays the bills or manages the finances is really a personal decision and that responsibility should be given the person who is most skilled at it and who has the ability to complete the task in a timely fashion. Access to certain accounts and or trusts, and the possibility of prenuptial agreements are a matter for a Family Attorney, if need be, and not a Family Therapist. What is in the domain of the therapist is the caution that secrets, even when pertaining to money, are seeds of disaster.

So many times I have seen one partner go on a shopping spree and not tell their mate out of fear of anger and admonishment. They hide their purchases deep in a closet or somehow fold the charges into something that looks like a necessity.  I have seen couples get very sneaky when it comes to money matters. In these difficult financial times most of us are cutting back and this has caused some individuals to feel deprived, which in turn can exacerbate the need to sneak around with regard to purchases. Somehow the person doing the sneaking convinces themselves that it isn't really a betrayal. It's as if their adolescent self takes over.

Another problem I see is that one mate will make a large purchase without discussing that purchase with their partner (I am of course not talking about surprise gifts). Sometimes one person is very spendy and the other very frugal. This can work out fine if everyone is upfront with their needs and desires and they can balance each other out. It is when dishonesty takes over that the trouble begins.

When a relationship gets to the point of merging funds or even sharing life expenses, it is wise to have a discussion about your ideas with regard money. How much money is "enough" money? This means, is there a number that you would hit at some point that would satisfy you and relieve your financial stress? This doesn't mean you would stop working - just stop worrying (as most of us do). If you have any extra money how would you like to spend it?  Some people would love a vacation, others a new item for the home or a nice meal out. It is wonderful when two people have the same ideas about how to spend that tax refund or gift from a family member - but it doesn't always happen that way. You may be surprised to learn how different your mate's answers are to these questions. It is better to find out upfront that you have different ideas then to learn about them by surprise. Often someone is dreaming of that long awaited vacation that they have been planning in their head and their partner arrives home with a new television set. This is an example of poor communication. While having any extra funds at all seems like a good problem to have, it can actually create genuine conflict between two people if the groundwork is not properly laid early on in the relationship.

When ideas differ profoundly, compromise is the key. Maybe this time you take the vacation and next time you make the desired purchase. If the money needs to go to life expenses, then both partners need be on board with this decision in order for couples to avoid the ever present trouble of living beyond their means. When finances run short, both people need to be aware of the circumstances and participate in the solution. Sometimes secrets are kept in order to avoid worrying the spouse. It is not fair to keep someone in the dark - even if you think it is in their best interest. In the long run what they will most likely experience is shock and a feeling of betrayal.

So lay it all on the table before forging ahead into the world of joint accounts and community property. Decide everyone's role and responsibility for the financial well-being of the family and most importantly, in good times and in bad, keep it honest.



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When is honesty not the best policy?
I need to write a paper on something and I decided to write it on a question of: Is honesty ALWAYS the best policy? I believe that it isnt, mostly because of if a family who was harbouring a jew had been honest and told the Nazis, then that jew would have died. But i need more examples.
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By nirmay  Jun 17, 2009
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For married couples: How do you divide money?
My husband and I both work, and we consider our earnings Our money, and all our accounts are joint accounts. My husband is assigned to pay the bills, and we pay current bills from the account which currently has more funds.. It doesn't really matter because it's all our money anyway.
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By nirmay  Jun 15, 2009
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I'm speculating a bit here, because you haven't given any context. But here's my take.
A man who acts the way an honest person would act may be acting that way either because he is in fact honest or because he wants to give the appearance of being honest. In other words, in the latter case he treats "honesty is the best policy" as a principle, but he's not innately honest.

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By nirmay  Jun 11, 2009
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People need a new funding option, as the normal options for short term expenses and emergency bills, credit lenders at banks and the credit card companies, are experiencing a major shortage of funds to lend. Ivory back scratchers, gold toilets, mistresses, and trips to golf in Tahiti when you're supposed to figuring out how to pay back the bailout money are things that must be preserved, and so the rest of us need a new funding option. Many a budget in America has been hard hit, as millions have been laid off and credit is tighter than it has ever been, and many are turning to payday loans as a new funding option.
By Suzzane09  Jun 09, 2009
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Some suggestions for wives.

1. Remember gender differences. When a woman says, I have to discuss this with my husband before I do anything, she's saying, we are a loving couple and do not do things without discussing them as a couple. When a man says it, he means, unlike other men who are powerful and authoritative, I lack the means to make my own decisions and like a child who had to ask his mother's permission, I need to check with my wife first.

2. If you want discuss matters, you cannot make thing unpleasant for the other person

3. Each person should have sme discretionary money.

4. Avoid credit cards as much as possible, these are evil things operated by nasty, dishonest companies.
By hopey5000  Jun 03, 2009
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I think it would be a positive goal to have support groups shown on DS on how to manage money, how to manage money as a couple (trust), how to solve debt, etc. Websites we can look up to help build our knowledge on postitive money management.
By mkcoleman  May 31, 2009
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Great article. Honesty is the best policy.It is s more difficult for parties marring later in life and wanting to more separate. Wishing to be more independent but marriage is a partnership.
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By mare13  May 31, 2009
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My dad once bought my mom a $200.00 vacuum cleaner as an anniversary gift and paid for it with HER credit card!
Needless to say THAT went over well.
By ALC67  May 30, 2009
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The bane of my early existence was the man who brought me expensive gifts paid for with my money. (Kind of like Obama making free with my wallet, eh?) I have heard a lot of My Husband Is A Rat Fink stories, since my day job is in a female-intensive environment, and 90% of the stories concern finance: either the guy buys expensive Boy Toys without consulting her, or he makes her turn over her paycheque and ask for five cents for shoelaces. The worst are the young women whose older husbands tell them not not to worry their pretty little heads about things, then five years later decamp with Fifi La Tush leaving her with three kids, a mortgage in foreclosure and five years of unpaid taxes.

Charm School taught us how to manage servants but did not teach us how to manage money. In some ways the two are the same. Even if you do not do the work yourself, you need to understand how the work is done and what the result should be, and to inspect the work (or the books) on a regular but surprise basis and have anything explained to you that you do not understand, in a way that you can understand. You also need to have a veto over anything including investments that you do not approve or think are safe. (Daddys father, and my youngest sister, are always seeking Donut Mines -- our family code for a way to earn $100,000 a month for doing nothing.)

And by all means if you are one of those people who buy and invest according to a political agenda, discuss this BEFORE you get married; do not assume that your husband will only drink Fair Trade coffee or wear shoes guaranteed to not be made in Chinese sweatshops, only to find out later that he does not care where his shoes are made as long as the price is right, and he will only drink Folgers Coffee even if the farmers do not get paid at all. (And that Ben and Jerry are cartoon characters or Pinko Commie Rats, not staunch upholders of the American Way.)

If couples spent 20% of the time discussing finances that they spend discussing sex, and only 20% of the time discussing sex that they actually DO spend, more marriages would last.
By Appleby  May 30, 2009
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I agree with your ideas,it so natural and interesting

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By wklecream  May 30, 2009
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I really enjoyed your article about keeping it honest when it comes to finance. My husband & I keep separate savings account & one joint account. We put in a set amount when we get paid & that money goes to bills. The excess money goes into our savings. He buys what he wants & I buy what I want. This freedom has been great for the both of us. I would hate to have to consult with my spouse everytime I bought something & I know it would be annoying for him as well.
By icewaterblue  May 30, 2009
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I remember when I was 14,15 years old. Dad maxed out all the credit cards and left Mom holding the bag for the bills. In short order the got divorced and mom was STILL stuck with the bills because he didn't have any money. She had to file for bankruptcy and she had a hell of a time doing anything because of the bad credit rating. It wasn't her fault, he did it all behind her back and she and I suffered for it for years.
Currently I have a friend who has a massive collection of comic book figurines and statues. His wife sayd 'He keeps sneaking them into the house' but she's so gaga over him she won't confront him about him spending money on all this stuff when they have bill collectors calling them daily. A month ago they took a trip to Florida which he paid for with HER credit card.
Another friend related a story about a friend of HIS who gave his wife money to pay the mortgage every month. After 3 months they got a foreclosure notice. She'd spent the money on trips to the movies, dinner out and things like that. She said 'I can't LIVE without those things!'. Well they lost the house and moved in with a friend, him her and their two kids under 5 years. All I can say is STUPID.
I think there should be 3 bank accounts in a marriage; his hers and theirs. His is the money HE earns. Hers is the money SHE earns, THEIRS is what they contribute to for household expenses like house/apartment, utilities, transportation, etc. AND NEVER have joint credit card accounts.
By ALC67  May 30, 2009
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I think my wife and I have a pretty good financial arrangement. We both work. The bills are split. We have an amount agreed upon that we can spend without needing to discuss it with the other. My wife is very penny conscious. I like to spend at times. Although I have the "right" to spend money on stuff as noted above, I usually mention my plans to her. Often she tells me the purchase isn't a good idea. I suppose I mention my plans so she can save me from myself. ;) We have frequent disagreements about money, but an emotional upset about it is very rare. The money issue can reveal a lot about a person's values, frames of reference, basis of identity, and even past traumatic events. My wife lost both of her parents, her father at 11, and her mother at 17. Prior to that, their house burned down, with all posessions lost. Money was always tight in the family, but her parents, especially her mom conveyed an incredible work ethic and facility for self-disipline in her. I admire her financial discipline.

My dad was chronically depressed and alcoholic. My mom was bi-polar schizophrenic. Our family was evicted repeatedly. We "started over" with virtually nothing many times.

When I got out on my own, I tried to compensate for my past by accumulating "stuff."

My wife instinctively knew as Og Mandino said, "True security isn't based on what a person has, but in how much one can do without."

If she has a secret stash of money somewhere, I don't mind.

I'm not so attached to things, but I still like to spend money every now and then. Sometimes I buy stuff just to give away.

My wife has acknowledged the possibility that her extreme financial caution may affect her ability to make significant financial strides. I know I might have the same problem for the opposite reason. Sheesh!

One reason for the short family history lesson above is to suggest that it is possible to maintain a value system that was formed during our early years, based on assumptions that may or may not be currently valid. Hence, a sincere discussion about money values can draw a couple closer or identify differences and be quite liberating either way.
By Spiritriver  May 29, 2009
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I think it's important like you said to discuss our individual values regarding money.

I had a boyfriend who said he was broke and better go back to work, as he was taking time off due to not feeling well. The shop got robbed including $2000 in cash he had for savings in a tool box. I felt betrayed - he just said he was broke, what's with the hunk of money? He insisted as savings he considered it "untouchable" - he was very dishonest in general it turned out and it just gave me reason to distrust him more. I felt mislead - anyway not everyone agreed with me, but this was obviously not full disclosure (thank GOD I said no to marriage - it turned out to be a very unhealthy relationship).

I know when one person budgets and the other spends freely (the situation I had been in with him) it seems like something that would be hard to live with unless both people could agree openly on a workable compromise. I think being able to trust the person is paramount, which I eventually didn't have.
By Loved1  May 28, 2009
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While I haven't reached this point in a relationship I think this is the only way to go about it. I am very private about my finances and I can see myself struggling with this issue. I could never see myself being able to understand why someone would spend $200 on a pair of jeans, but secrecy just leads to mistrust, and better to deal with issue at hand than let it grow into something worse.
By Want2Improve  May 28, 2009
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This article makes me feel guilty. I wonder if you spend $40 to $80 on illegal pain medication for pain from working so hard,does this entitle the other to have free rain (spelled wrong but you know what i mean)to do whatever they want because you have engaged in an illegal activity? Of course with no other outside activity like drinking or gambling ,or womanizing it does not seem like much of a SIN.

what a very good article. I am so glad I had the good sense to listen to someone else who is far more knowledgeable about the matters of life.I understand this is only written for people to recognize that there might be a problem and to take the required actions to rectify it. but it is very enlightening,and gets to the root of anger also. valid anger that can build up and take control of thought processes.

people behave badly over money they say,.arguing fairly is healthy from what I understand.as long as you stick to the rules of engagement !

thanks for another great article

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