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Greetings Readers and Posters ----

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			<title>Comment by hockeymom5592</title>
			<link>http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Physical_Emotional_Abuse/forum/6301494-couples-counseling-and-abusive-relationships/lastpage</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Very valuable post, Ilene.   
  
 And to think I almost went for <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a> with him when I first moved out.  Of course, he was way too fearful of it...that someone might find out what he's been up to....way too comfortable in his isolation, but I did try to get him to commit to it.  Wow, so glad I di...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 15:58:18 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by SnowHeart</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Great info! Thanks SO much!! :)]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:07:02 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by 7janedoe</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[i have to agree totally with your post llene - i did some couples counselling with my ex and let the ex in on my individual couselling for past abuse including child abuse - yes i got the token changes but it just gave him better insight how to screw with my head in the end - dont do any therapy wit...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:56:23 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by Taranay</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Thanks so much for posting this. The fact that <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a> usually doesn't help abusers helped me <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Leave" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Leave')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Leave">leave</a> a few days ago, because I realized that his problems probably weren't fixable. If it had only gotten worse in 5 years, there was not much chance of it getting better. 
 I kept questioning if I was d...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:07:17 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by hockeymom5592</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[BUMP  for the new folks....]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:24:30 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by Susan151</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[What a great post!  This is exactly my experience, or just about.  My stbx loves going to counselling.  The counsellor he likes to see is predominantly a marriage therapist. Over the years, she has validated him.  Encouraged him to express his feelings.  She has tried to teach him how to empathize (...]]></description>
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			<title>Comment by AgentSmith</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I think this happened w/ my ex and his ex wife.  They were married 17 yrs.  My ex is abusive and a sex addict (and alcoholic and workaholic).  I think she was trying to get him help for his sex addiction.  They went to <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Couples_Counseling" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Couples_Counseling')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Couples Counseling">couples counseling</a>.  He claims that "she said I was a sex addict because I wanted...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:49:47 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by MyTrueColors</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[This fits my ex to a T, even to this very day. And I have had "counselors" completely take my ex's side and tell me I was cold and rigid (exactly what my ex was to me).    
  
 My ex would change 1 thing for 1 freaking day and then revert back to his old self and tell me he had changed but it wasn't e...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 01:17:20 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Hey MyTrueColors ---- 
  
 Boy, I could relate to what you wrote.  Thanks for your reply.  How're you doing now? 
  
 Emotional abusers seem able to con clinically trained practicioners as if the counselors/therapists (even PhD's) had gotten their certification from the Five and Ten. 
  
 My then-partner ...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 08:22:04 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by JUNE4</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[they also stop going to counselling if the therapist does start asking them questions which they find uncomfortable making up some illness they have so can't attend, When we went the therapist got us doing role play which was awful.the whole session was only concentrated on how he said I treated his...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:09:15 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
			<link>http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Physical_Emotional_Abuse/forum/6301494-couples-counseling-and-abusive-relationships/lastpage</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Someone whom I believed to be in a dysfunctional, abusive relationship was recently considering <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Couples_Counseling" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Couples_Counseling')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Couples Counseling">couples counseling</a>, and I referred them to this thread, so I'm bumping it up, so they can find it easier. 
  
 <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">Counseling</a> and various therapies, and also coaching, are all ways to find one's way through to ...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:34:12 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by flyingfree</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I understand and agree with what has been said but I do have one question. Are we in danger of underestimating the potential resources of the victim/target. 
  
 In my own case I have several things going for me: 
  
 1. I am a man and physically stronger than my wife so physical abouse and the threat o...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:34:58 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[flyingfree wrote: 
  
 I am finally overcoming my personal and relationship issues. 
  
 Wonderful.  YYYyyyyyyaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy 
  
 Hoping all goes well and healthfully, for you. 
  
 Take care. 
  
 Ilene]]></description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:16:45 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by flyingfree</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Thanks Irene]]></description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:10:39 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by GraceWest</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Ilene and everyone here, thank you so much for this post and the thread of comments! This is one of the most valuable things I've read on DS because this exact scenario has happened to me... but I left feeling defeated and crazy. 
  
 In my case, I went to <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a> alone for 3 months and really felt...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:30:17 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Gosh, Grace ---- 
  
 I'm so sorry! 
  
 From what you described, I don't feel like that therapist had much to recommend her to anyone in any kind of real need. 
  
 There ARE good therapists.  But you have to really search for them. 
  
 Add to that, that most therapists don't get any genuine foundation in...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:36:34 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by powerofone</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Tried therapy for myself and it was good.  He came along and it helped for the short term. 
   Tried again and he was convinced she sided with me because she was a woman.  There ya go.   
  Has anyone read anything by Dr. Steve Stosny?  Would that be a good place to get information?]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:55:19 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Hi powerofone ----- 
  
 I just made a really quick visit to the Stosny site and it looks like it's worth another look.  I can't vouch for everything ---- just spent a couple quick minutes, but he seems on point.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:10:40 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by Lily61</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Ilene, 
  
 You are right on point.  I tried joint <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a>, even arranged for a male therapist, thinking my husband would be more agreeable to go and more likely to listen.   
  
 My husband lied during the sessions, and later twisted the counselor's words to try to use them against me in arguments. ...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:16:46 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by GraceWest</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I bought a book recently that addresses this very thing: Section One, Chapter 4 is called "Why marriage <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a>, <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Psychotherapy">psychotherapy</a>, anger-management and abuser treatment made it worse."  The book also includes an Abuser Boot Camp, which for anyone who's willing to work through it may be helpful. 
   
 ...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:28:51 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by powerofone</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Yes GraceWest that's the doc I was referring to. 
     There is SO much info, takes some time.   
    If I had an extra few thousand laying around, I would so be at those Boot Camps with or without "him."   
 Personally, I find this statement he made comforting "Whether overt or silent, all forms of ab...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:40:54 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by Ninnie22</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Thank you for the info!!! It validated my worries about going to <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a> with my abusive ex! He has a psychology degree and knows how to manipulate almost any situation to his favor.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:44:43 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by flyingfree</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[GraceWest, I am very sad for your story, it seems to me like your husband seems to like money more than he likes you. 
  
 <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Family_Therapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Family_Therapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Couples Therapy">Couples therapy</a> obviously only works if both parties are willing to participate. Unfortunately there are those who think that they have nothing they need to work on because they a...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:03:44 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by KittyMooMoo</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Bumping up.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:58:23 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by marie0509</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I agree with a lot of what you wrote. My ex who was abusive in all ways what so good at manipulating everyone. he could talk the talk and had so many think I made it all up and was nothing but seeking attention and drama lol what a joke. I found help with a local womans battered shelter in the state...]]></description>
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			<title>Comment by adtamer</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I went to <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a> several yrs ago by myself because you know "everything is in my head" i didn't tell him what i was going for somehow he found out that it was discuss him and my marriage he had a major fit. Do you think <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a> will work for us? He does not like people <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Talking" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Talking')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Talking">talking</a> about him at al...]]></description>
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			<title>Comment by VERYNICEGIRL</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Very good to read, thanks!  We did <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Couples_Counseling" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Couples_Counseling')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Couples Counseling">couples counseling</a>, and he stopped going because he felt that the therapist was taking my side.  It did not work for us, but it worked for me, to have some one to talk to.   
  
 Adtamer, my husband is the same way!]]></description>
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			<title>Comment by Stargazer1971</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Wow..all of these stories I can empathize with.  
  
 I first urged him to go to a men's group while the kids and I went to Individual <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a>. He quickly flunked out of that program. Said the facilitator was a previous abused woman and she's biased, didn't do assignments, said he wasn't like those...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:28:13 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA["""""   BUMP  """""]]></description>
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			<title>Comment by KittyMooMoo</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Bump.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:36:14 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[bump]]></description>
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			<title>Comment by jojo42</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I can laugh now but at the time it was very hurtful but my stbx would actually say..."I can't wait to get you in there and then the counselor will see who you really are and that you are really the problem". We went to 5 different people and he would quit them all by session 4....when he would start...]]></description>
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			<title>Comment by Voiceit</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[i went to 3 sessions with my ex-abuser. It was the only way i could get him to recieve ANY help or <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Talking" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Talking')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Discussion">discussion</a>. However you are absolutely right that the counsellor had no ability to recognise the abuse. It did allow me to realise a few things though. I heard the me me me tone of my abuser. I saw the...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:49:08 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Voiceit ---- 
  
 You said you realized and recognised some things. 
  
 How are things with you now? 
  
 Ilene]]></description>
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			<title>Comment by raniagale</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[My first husband went to one session and as soon as the counselor said, "since she is the one ready to <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Leave" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Leave')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Leave">leave</a>, we will focus on your problems first", he walked straight out.   
  
 My current husband went to one <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Family_Therapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Family_Therapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Family Therapy">family therapy</a> session with the kids and I (my kids counselor) and she asked me later if he...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:11:39 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[bump]]></description>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[bump for awesome self]]></description>
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			<title>Comment by whodathunk</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[very good post.]]></description>
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			<title>Comment by findingfeelings</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[My ex and I spent over 2 years going to a highly qualified, very skillful therapist. Unfortunately, my charming narcissistic ex completely snowed the therapist, who said it was possible my husband was just one of those people who couldn't access their feelings and that I was "doing the work of my hu...]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[That about sums it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2011 15:06:56 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by Carm416</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I agree that not to many counselors are trained to work with abuse and that abusers have a way of conning the therapuetic process.   
  
 My ex was very abusive and conning.  He has conned his current therapist into believing everything he says about his past relationships.   
  
 He has been in therapy...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2011 16:36:40 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[bump for msaishe73]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:34:48 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by TwilightStar</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Thats so frustrating especially as when you start to really notice the relationship has gone sour and you cant figure out how to make the points you need to clear the most effective answer would seem to be <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Family_Therapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Family_Therapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Couples Therapy">couples therapy</a>. Especially if you have not had that eye opening moment where you realize it r...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:27:27 +0100</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[bump for sapphires]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 09:34:49 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[bump for rachelrachel]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:26:10 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by AngrBoda</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[bump for beckyvs]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 23:56:31 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by bmama85</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Oh I'm loving this post....Thank you thank you! I did a good 2 1/2 years worth of therapy with my ex...with 2 different therapists and could never understand why I was always the one to blame! 
  
 I really believe that abusers know how to control and manipulate therapists in a <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Family_Therapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Family_Therapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Couples Therapy">couples therapy</a> setting...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 00:45:23 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA["""""""""""""""""""""" So if <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Family_Therapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Family_Therapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Couples Therapy">couples therapy</a> is not effective then how can an abuser change or get help?""""""""""""""""""""""" 
  
  
 Most can't and don't. 
  
 One abuser in a couple/three million 
 might be able to change for the better. 
  
 The rest only get WORSE. 
  
 They are not open to getting help...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:41:18 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[bump for Anna]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 17:26:11 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by jlbch42</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Bumping for the new posters.  Seeing some of you mention <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Couples_Counseling" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Couples_Counseling')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Couples Counseling">couples counseling</a>.  Please don't do it.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 09:33:03 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by rachelrachel</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[bump.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:01:31 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by AmandaNic</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[We've started <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Couples_Counseling" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Couples_Counseling')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Couples Counseling">couples counseling</a> and I'm feeling really good about it.  I asked the counselor some questions before my husband agreed to go, about emotional abuse and the chances of the abuser changing.  So he was aware of our situation before we ever went into his office.  I'm comfortable with him,...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 14:41:25 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Faith" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Faith')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Hope">hope</a> all goes as you wish it to.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:26:43 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by CosmicMama</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Excellent <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Reading" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Reading')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Reading">Reading</a>!! SO glad I didn't push him to do this!! Thanks!!]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:02:12 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by HisJewel</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I think that just about sums it up! 
  
 I figured this out after 9 agonizing sessions with a professional counselor and a pastor. 
  
 The last session, I had a cold feeling of dread in my stomach and a little voice in my head that said, "Run!  Get out!  Never come back here again!"  I'm glad I heeded ...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 23:17:55 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by artemis000</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[As they're masters of the <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Art" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Art')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Art">art</a> of manipulation, I can't see couple counselling working.  When others are around, they can switch from pure evil to congenial in a split second, so I can't see them letting down their guard in therapy.  Even if the counsellor is aware of the 'game' they're playing for h...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 08:24:45 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by tonyaabernathy</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I so agree with everything you said. We did <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Couples_Counseling" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Couples_Counseling')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Couples Counseling">couples counseling</a>, for maybe a year on and off.Then I would go by myself to the counselor when things stayed the same, and I did this for years.I waisted a lot of money and years too.My husband went into it all friendly and like he was the nice guy and th...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 09:10:54 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[To AmandaNic ---- 
  
 I read your lovely, optimistic post when I arrived 
 home after a long day.  I certainly still <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Faith" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Faith')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Hope">hope</a> for 
 you, that all goes exactly the way you're hoping. 
  
 Now that I'm rested, I wanted to add some things  
 this morning. 
  
 It's really great that you're doing <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Research" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Research')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Research">research</a>. 
 That's ...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 09:17:19 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[bump for rockym]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2011 08:31:31 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by Carmina5</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Eye opener. 
 He has made very clear that he won't accept any kind of therapy, now I see I didn't miss anything.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2011 09:41:42 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by possumlady</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I have asked my husband repeatedly to go to <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a> with me and he has always had an excuse not to.. 
 'we don't have marriage problems, YOU have problems' 
 I will go with you once you have sorted your problems out 
 We don't need to consult an 'expert', we can work it out between us 
 And the silli...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2011 10:01:51 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by abc5</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[i have experienced many of these things over and over and over again. It is completely frustrating! Some other things that I have noticed is that my H would pick a fight, about the DUMBEST thing, like the car being dirty, on our way to <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a>. So that way when I got there i was already emotional...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 03:24:06 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Alright!]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 09:51:53 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by tootienni</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I went to a therapist who was trying to get me to stay with this fucking dude i did not even liked!! 
 I don't know how she NOT see that! 
  
 She was an idiot and only confused things more.That man was NOT for me and if she had been a good therapist the only thing she would have said is "Why are you w...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 10:03:48 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by tootienni</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Crap i had posted thins in the wrong thread..........hehe.... 
  
  I feel the need to vent this.  
 I wish i had told her then "YOU get into a realtionship with a guy that has the IQ of room temerature, that eats with his hands, that has no class whatsoever, you LOWER yourself to much less thn you des...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 11:07:47 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by tootienni</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Don't mean to hijack this post but i never thought of what it remind me of before......................Yeah so this therapist forgot to ask me a very important question "What do YOU want" "Do you even like this guy?" "why are you with him?"...............If she had helped me get clear on what i want...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 14:28:48 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[bump for rockym]]></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 07:34:25 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by gladtobeme</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[About three years ago we were having all kinds of problems and I begged him to go to <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a>. He refused. So I went.  
  
 Guess what I found out? I was in a verbally and emotionally abusive relationship with the most stupid man my therapist had ever encountered. (Her exact words). It takes two peo...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 10:38:34 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[bump for Mephy]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 08:30:29 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[bump for battle with myself]]></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 09:26:20 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by rosiekins</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I say don't waste your time. It was worse than useless for me. He only went because after he cheated on me I said <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a> or this is over. Then in <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a> he chatted away during sessions and wasted time, and I, wanting to get SOMETHING DONE, put my stuff out there and looked like the distresse...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 00:09:05 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by rosiekins</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[By the way....what's a bump?? Why all this bumping?]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 00:09:42 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA["Bumping" is adding a responsive post 
 to a thread to move it from wherever it is, 
 upward in the pile, so someone who may 
 benefit from <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Reading" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Reading')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Reading">reading</a> it, sees it.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:25:56 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by rosiekins</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the explanation!]]></description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 00:20:30 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by sharelea</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Yeah thanks for the bump. My husband blamed the theripast because he took my concerns seriously and tried to address them. In the past, the husband was able to convince the theripast that it was all really my problem but he got so mad when he was being held accountable! Kept saying the theripast was...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:20:47 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by missnewf</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Thank you so much for your valuable post IIlene!  This touched so many obviously - and me as well.  Mine is going through STRESS MGMT now and the statement about the counsellors - and how they let the PROFESSIONAL COUNSELLORS see what they WANT them to see was 'exactly' what happened!  I was lucky b...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2011 02:02:48 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by Livndadrem</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[bump for emmm]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 02:42:17 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Marriage or couple <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a>  
 does NOT help when there's 
 intimate abuse 
 for about twenty-five different reasons. 
  
 At best, it's INeffective. 
  
 At worst, it can cause a FATALITY.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:33:34 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by gladtobeme</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I begged my husband to go to <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a> and he refused, so I went by myself. Instead of saving my marriage as I had hoped, I learned that I was being emotionally, verbally and mentally abused. 
  
 Wow, what an eye opener. I had been held down so long I had no idea that this was happening to me. My co...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 09:30:45 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by Littlekatya</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[This is a great post. I always wondered why people warned against couple's <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a>. 
  
 I'll just add a thing about individual <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Abuse_Counseling" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Abuse_Counseling')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Abuse Counseling">abuse counseling</a> as well. My H was in individual <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Abuse_Counseling" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Abuse_Counseling')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Abuse Counseling">abuse counseling</a> during the beginning of our relationship. 
  
 I read that for some abusers, especially narcissists, knowle...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 15:22:35 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by gamine</title>
			<link>http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Physical_Emotional_Abuse/forum/6301494-couples-counseling-and-abusive-relationships/lastpage</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Oh wow, Little Katya,  
  
 I see a lot of similarities between my abusive ex and yours.  
  
 Mine would also accuse me of abuse from time to time. He would also read my journals from when I was young and use the info in them against me. He would use any small thing and turn it around and interrogate a...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 03:37:13 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by Littlekatya</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I think that is one of the worst aspects of spousal abuse--your abuser knows your vulnerabilities because people in relationships reveal their vulnerabilities to each other, as a form of intimacy! 
  
 It's like having your worst enemy and your lover all wrapped up in one! Imagine how much worse the J...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:54:27 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by emmmm14</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[wow thanks for the info.now the prob is my h is saying for me to get it set up the <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a>.. 
 as i read this i can see how he can spin it twist it..however i dont think he  would care if i didnt set it up..how can trained professionals not know the signs of abuse?or a narc antisocial etc? 
 in my ...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 23:39:08 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by emmmm14</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[by this i mean if he couldnt fool the psychologist how can he fool his counselor /?no he did not show her a copy of the eval..i dont get it..i know he comes off nice and oh he is great wouldn't she think why are you goign to <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a> then?or believe he is just goign for some stress issues?]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 23:49:06 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[My perspective on this 
 (and I've graduated grad <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Education" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Education')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about School">school</a>), 
 is that psychologists and the  
 degrees they've earned to this 
 point in time, have not been 
 focused in on the dynamics of 
 abuse.  I believe is that intimate 
 abuse and domestic violence 
 wasn't even on the interventional 
 radar till aroun...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:11:31 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by Livndadrem</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Personally, I think one of the reasons couples counsellors don't spot it is perception/angle.  They come at this from the perspective that they have two people in front of them who love each other and want to make their relationship work, but who are having problems dealing with one issue or another...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:40:46 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Beautifully put, livn. 
 (As always.) 
 I totally agree. 
  
 And that's how clinicians 
 are taught to approach it. 
  
 Which would, of course, 
 make sense, in anything 
 but an abusive scenario. 
  
 The irony is that two people 
 who are fully functioning and 
 love each other are generally 
 able to find th...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:54:58 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by Livndadrem</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Thanks Ilene.  Food for thought. 
  
 Your "irony" comment got me thinking.  Perhaps the truth is that it is mostly in abusive relationships that couples counselling is necessary.  Because perhaps it's in those relationships that a mediator is required.  I am NOT suggesting that couples counselling as...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 11:37:05 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
			<link>http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Physical_Emotional_Abuse/forum/6301494-couples-counseling-and-abusive-relationships/lastpage</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Great <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Talking" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Talking')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Discussion">discussion</a>. 
  
 The reality of an abusive realationship 
 is that a "<a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a>' intervention will 
 not merely be ineffective, but there is 
 simply no foundation for it to be anything 
 other than a further danger to the victim. 
  
 Until a traditionally trained couples counselor 
 is able to ident...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 11:53:20 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Excellent info. 
  
 I've pulled two particular bullets out 
 from near the end of the linked page: 
  
  <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Couples_Counseling" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Couples_Counseling')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Couples Counseling">Couples counseling</a> sends the abuser and the abused woman the wrong message. The abuser learns that his partner is “pushing his buttons” and “touching him off” and that she needs to adjust ...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 13:44:18 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by jojo42</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[And Ilene that message makes me nauseated. So wrong but your words are so true. I spent 23 years constantly adjusting my behavior to try to keep peace in the camp and to make his world as best as it could be....what a joke! 
  
 There  
 is  
 no  
 peace  
 with  
 an  
 abuser...........]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 13:49:26 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by beinggrateful</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[My 1st comment on ANY posts I have read in DS and I'd like to say: 
 AWESOME FREAKIN POST! So informative. It was something I knew instictively - not to take him to <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a> with me. And I didnt <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Distancing" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Distancing')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Avoid">avoid</a> the issue "You will only throw the stuff the counselor says in my face" I told him. Of course he d...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:34:32 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[bumping for nowheretoturn]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:51:20 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by hockeymom5592</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Bump]]></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 12:47:00 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by brasskitten</title>
			<link>http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Physical_Emotional_Abuse/forum/6301494-couples-counseling-and-abusive-relationships/lastpage</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I went to one <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Couples_Counseling" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Couples_Counseling')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Couples Counseling">couples counseling</a> session with my ex. It was a huge eye opener. He told lies about me to the therapist who treated them as neutral information, even though he used abusive language to paint that picture of me. I felt violated and I was raging mad for days. I haven't yet sent the thera...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 15:00:46 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by Livndadrem</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Bump for Bella2012]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 19:35:26 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by hockeymom5592</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Bump!!!]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 19:47:46 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by GlassHouse</title>
			<link>http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Physical_Emotional_Abuse/forum/6301494-couples-counseling-and-abusive-relationships/lastpage</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Wow, some great food for thought.  I'm here because I suffered emotional abuse as a child.  But this article makes me really reflect on my experience in <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Couples_Counseling" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Couples_Counseling')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Couples Counseling">couples counseling</a> with my wife. 
  
 I wouldn't say I'm an abuser (I <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Faith" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Faith')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Hope">hope</a>) but I know I'd been a controlling asshole with her up to that point.  And...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 20:12:12 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by bostongal18</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[thank you.  i went to <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a> with my partner.  it seemed to make his abuse WORSE.  it triggered something in him that made him stop accepting responsibility and blame me.  he also harped on little things..]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:50:11 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by machngoober5</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[First time here. Just starting to take the steps for help and guidance and support 
  
 [3] A slick manipulator will con and control most therapists. 
  
 That one is what I'm sooo afraid of, that he'll meet with the therapist and it will turn against me or he'll make it like everyone else sees it. 
  
 I...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:06:29 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Welcome. 
  
 I'm sorry for your pain. 
  
 Deception, non-communication, not 
 caring about your feelings and gambling 
 are indicators of abuse and other serious 
 dysfunctional patterns. 
  
 Your feeling that couple <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a> 
 would be a waste of time under those 
 circumstances, is likely to be your 
 be...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:00:30 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by machngoober5</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[7] Whether or not the therapist has admonished the target/victim, the target/victim is likely to be abused again after the session, as punishment for bringing up the point or complain to the therapist in the session. This punishment can range from the silent treatment to rage to mortal threat.  
  
  ...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 20:39:30 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by hockeymom5592</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Bump for the Newbies...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:45:38 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by hockeymom5592</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2011 09:58:59 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by hockeymom5592</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[bump]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 16:26:02 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by artemis000</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Bumping for new members]]></description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:53:46 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by MyTrueColors</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Bump for angldncr.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:02:54 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by hockeymom5592</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Bump...for kyadragon....]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:16:28 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by hockeymom5592</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Bump for Hummingbird33]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 12:30:44 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by artemis000</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I know this is just a 'bump,' but wanted to comment again.  Every single case of couple counselling that I've heard of  either didn't work or, more often, made things worse.  It's such a bad idea, IMO,  that it should come with a health warning!]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:03:15 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Good one!]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:04:22 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[bump for Hummingbird]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:37:10 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by Pegasus678</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I completely agree. I stopped going to marriage <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a> because I was afraid to be open and honest. I didn't feel like the therapist was doing anything wrong, but my husband was there to make me happy. I never felt like I could truly talk about the issues I was facing because I was afraid. I trie...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 18:08:15 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by rteacher</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Oh my goodness. This site is wonderful. This is exactly what happened in what I assumed was a safe environment. Things I said and looks that the counselor presumably gave me were fuel for belittling comments and evidence that I was the problem and an idiot. Thanks so much.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:49:37 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by i3kitties</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[We tried <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a> once before and that's why i stayed - big mistake! Everything listed here happened, including the false <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Faith" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Faith')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Hope">hope</a> where he made small changes and i felt everything could get better. Then things got worse later. He used the therapy to 'prove' that everything was my fault, and it worked...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 09:55:34 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by 1Jenn</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Makes some sense to me - thanks x]]></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:29:22 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by artemis000</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[bump]]></description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:07:24 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by Carm416</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[In my opinion and <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Research" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Research')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Research">research</a> supports it, <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Couples_Counseling" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Couples_Counseling')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Couples Counseling">couples counseling</a> does not work with abusers because abusers brains are wired in a way that is not flexible.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:42:26 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by magnadoodle</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I went to 4 therapists, and none of them called him on his behavior. 
  
 After he abandoned me on the street on <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Relaxation" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Relaxation')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Vacation">vacation</a>, lied and went to a strip club, and wouldn't tell me where the hotel was (or give me a key), I told the therapist that it was "unacceptable behavior." 
  
 She stopped, give me a sha...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:01:28 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by HisJewel</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[magnadoodle, 
  
 Your post almost made me cry, because it was so similar to my own experience with <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Couples_Counseling" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Couples_Counseling')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Couples Counseling">couples counseling</a>. 
  
 Unfortunately, marriage counselors today (and most counselors in general) are trained that there is no "right" or "wrong" behavior.  There is no 'black" or "white".  There is no b...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:20:05 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Those last two responses are 
 really powerful, first-person 
 arguments against 
 couple counceling with  
 abusive partners.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:11:03 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by hockeymom5592</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Bump]]></description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 19:16:49 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by RainASun55</title>
			<link>http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Physical_Emotional_Abuse/forum/6301494-couples-counseling-and-abusive-relationships/lastpage</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Yes Ilene. I pretty much thought that would be what would happen if my husband actually even agreed to go. He won't even give an answer to a question until he mulls it over for a day or two, and hopes it never comes up again. No, someone who has their own methods of deciding what is logic will not o...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 00:31:07 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by artemis000</title>
			<link>http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Physical_Emotional_Abuse/forum/6301494-couples-counseling-and-abusive-relationships/lastpage</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Bump]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 23:35:17 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
			<link>http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Physical_Emotional_Abuse/forum/6301494-couples-counseling-and-abusive-relationships/lastpage</link>
			<description><![CDATA[bump]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 09:09:17 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
			<link>http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Physical_Emotional_Abuse/forum/6301494-couples-counseling-and-abusive-relationships/lastpage</link>
			<description><![CDATA[bump for rteacher]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 09:23:38 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by ivorylou</title>
			<link>http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Physical_Emotional_Abuse/forum/6301494-couples-counseling-and-abusive-relationships/lastpage</link>
			<description><![CDATA[so very true. I have been <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a> twice both times they took his side and told me I was wrong and I went back. I am still angry at them for <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Talking" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Talking')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Talking">talking</a> me back into this abusive marriage. My husband really fooled them. Next time I <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Leave" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Leave')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Leave">leave</a> I promise no way will I ever go to marriage <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a>. I have l...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 15:12:42 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by hockeymom5592</title>
			<link>http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Physical_Emotional_Abuse/forum/6301494-couples-counseling-and-abusive-relationships/lastpage</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Bump for Catherine]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 12:41:29 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by stacit</title>
			<link>http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Physical_Emotional_Abuse/forum/6301494-couples-counseling-and-abusive-relationships/lastpage</link>
			<description><![CDATA[OMG. I was in <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a> twice with my abuser. First time he drove to <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a> in his girlfriend's car .I also later found out that he would tell the counselor one thing in private and anoher when he was in the room with me. The second time around....he would use the counselor's words against me. ...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 18:18:48 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
			<link>http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Physical_Emotional_Abuse/forum/6301494-couples-counseling-and-abusive-relationships/lastpage</link>
			<description><![CDATA[bump for Calley]]></description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 08:51:18 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
			<link>http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Physical_Emotional_Abuse/forum/6301494-couples-counseling-and-abusive-relationships/lastpage</link>
			<description><![CDATA[bump]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 09:22:44 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
			<link>http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Physical_Emotional_Abuse/forum/6301494-couples-counseling-and-abusive-relationships/lastpage</link>
			<description><![CDATA[bump for hayley]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:27:05 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by mildred71</title>
			<link>http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Physical_Emotional_Abuse/forum/6301494-couples-counseling-and-abusive-relationships/lastpage</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I agree with this.  My emotionally abusive ex-boyfriend saw a counselor on his own.  Actually, my ex saw his counselor one day a week, occasionally inviting me.  I would cringe whenever this day would occur, because he would usually return from his session, extremely negative and critical about what...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 02:57:04 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
			<link>http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Physical_Emotional_Abuse/forum/6301494-couples-counseling-and-abusive-relationships/lastpage</link>
			<description><![CDATA[bump]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:39:40 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
			<link>http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Physical_Emotional_Abuse/forum/6301494-couples-counseling-and-abusive-relationships/lastpage</link>
			<description><![CDATA[bumps for  
 pokesfan]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 09:41:45 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by MyTrueColors</title>
			<link>http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Physical_Emotional_Abuse/forum/6301494-couples-counseling-and-abusive-relationships/lastpage</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Bump for rvasya]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 20:37:16 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
			<link>http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Physical_Emotional_Abuse/forum/6301494-couples-counseling-and-abusive-relationships/lastpage</link>
			<description><![CDATA[bump for lostandconfused]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 08:30:11 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by IleneW</title>
			<link>http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Physical_Emotional_Abuse/forum/6301494-couples-counseling-and-abusive-relationships/lastpage</link>
			<description><![CDATA[bump for the newbies]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 13:55:44 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by ByzBee</title>
			<link>http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Physical_Emotional_Abuse/forum/6301494-couples-counseling-and-abusive-relationships/lastpage</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thank you all so much for keeping this post going through the years.  As anyone can tell from all of the replies, the field of marital <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a> is just not up to handling <a href="http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy" onclick="treatmentHotLink('http://www.dailystrength.org/treatments/Psychotherapy')" class="treatmentlink" title="Learn more about Counseling">counseling</a> for women in an abusive marriage.  Especially if the abuse is verbal, and so also emotional. 
  
 I am so very glad th...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 14:54:29 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by hockeymom5592</title>
			<link>http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Physical_Emotional_Abuse/forum/6301494-couples-counseling-and-abusive-relationships/lastpage</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I think the process of leaving can be slow, painful, scary...and that's one of the great things about this site, that you can keep coming here and seeing what the options are.   
  
 You're so right, the only option really, in the end, is leaving.  But it took me a long time to come to that conclusion...]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:24:21 +0100</pubDate>
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			<title>Comment by MyTrueColors</title>
			<link>http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Physical_Emotional_Abuse/forum/6301494-couples-counseling-and-abusive-relationships/lastpage</link>
			<description><![CDATA[bump for Sunni77]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 15:32:56 +0100</pubDate>
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