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Italian court finds CIA agents guilty of kidnapping terrorism suspect
• Italian court convicts Robert Lady and 23 others in absentia • First prosecution for US abduction of suspects to torture states * John Hooper in Rome * guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 4 November 2009 Italian court finds CIA agents guilty of kidnapping terrorism suspect • Italian court convicts Robert Lady and 23 others in absentia • First prosecution for US abduction of suspects to torture states * Buzz up! * Digg it * John Hooper in Rome * guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 4 November 2009 22.50 GMT A mid-1990s passport photo of Osama Moustafa Hassan Nasr, also known as Abu Omar A mid-1990s passport photo of Osama Moustafa Hassan Nasr, also known as Abu Omar, who was abducted by the CIA from Milan. Photograph: Marsela Glina/Chicago Tribune/AP Twenty-three Americans were tonight convicted of kidnapping by an Italian court at the end of the first trial anywhere in the world involving the CIA's "extraordinary rendition" programme for abducting terrorist suspects. The former head of the CIA in Milan Robert Lady was given an eight-year jail sentence for his part in the seizure of Osama Moustafa Hassan Nasr, known as Abu Omar, who claimed that he was subsequently tortured in Egypt. Lady's superior, Jeff Castelli, the then head of the CIA in Italy, and two other Americans were acquitted on the grounds that they enjoyed diplomatic immunity. But another 21 alleged CIA operatives and a US air force officer were each sentenced to five years in jail. All were tried in absentia and those who were convicted will be regarded as fugitives under Italian law. Extraordinary rendition, which has been criticised as "torture by proxy', involves the snatching of suspects and their forcible transfer for interrogation to third countries – often those states where torture is routinely employed. (and) Estimates put the number of suspects subjected to extraordinary renditions at just over 100 to thousands. A European parliament-approved report in 2007 concluded that the CIA had operated more than 1,000 rendition flights over Europe alone in the previous six years. The practice was first authorised in 1986 by the then US president, Ronald Reagan, and developed in the 1990s under the Clinton administration as a way of tackling Islamism. Its use is thought to have been extended after George Bush Jr declared his "war on terror" following the 9/11 attacks in 2001. Some suspects are alleged to have been transferred to "black sites", secret prisons operated by the CIA outside US legal jurisdiction. (Abu Omar - and his wife - were also awarded monetary damages.) http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/04/cia-guilty-rendition-abu-omar http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/04/cia-guilty-rendition-abu-omar According to what I saw on the news on TV, most of these CIA will not be able to work in the CIA again because if they leave the U.S., they could be arrested and be put in jail to serve their time. Posted on 11/07/09, 02:11 am |
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I realize that I am politically incorrect, but when I saw this on tv tonight...for better or for worse...I was like...yipee, we still are attempting to catch the bad guys...
Now, intellecually, I know I'm wrong, but emotionally...yeah CIA! 
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Good work, agents. Thank you for your tireless service and bravery.
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Oh no, the US doesn't torture...why torture when you can hand guys over to another country who will do the torturing for you?
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Maher Arar (Arabic: ماهر عرار) (born 1970) is a telecommunications engineer with dual Syrian and Canadian citizenship who resides in Canada. He is famous for the outcry resulting from his deportation by the United States government to Syria. Arar has claimed he was tortured while in Syria. His experience has been put forward as an example of the United States government policy of "extraordinary rendition".[1][2][3][4]
Arar was detained during a layover at John F. Kennedy International Airport in September 2002 on his way home to Canada from a family vacation in Tunis. He was held in solitary confinement in the United States for nearly two weeks, questioned, and denied meaningful access to a lawyer. The US government suspected him of being a member of Al Qaeda and deported him, not to Canada, his current home, but to his native Syria, even though its government is known to use torture.[5] He was detained in Syria for almost a year, during which time he was tortured, according to the findings of the Arar Commission, until his release to Canada.[6] The government of Canada ordered a commission of inquiry which concluded that he was tortured.[7] The commission of inquiry publicly cleared Arar of any links to terrorism. The government of Canada later settled out of court with Arar and awarded him a C$10.5 million settlement.[8] The Syrian government reports it knows of no links of Arar to terrorism. Despite the Canadian court ruling, the United States government has not exonerated Arar and, on the contrary, has made public statements to state their belief that Arar is affiliated with members of organizations they describe as terrorist. As of February 2009, Arar and his family remain on a watchlist. His US lawyers at the Center for Constitutional Rights are currently pursuing his case, Arar v. Ashcroft, which seeks compensatory damages on Arar’s behalf and also a declaration that the actions of the US government were illegal and violated his constitutional, civil, and international human rights.
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That's horrible.
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I wonder what reaction the American posters would have on this if it was the Taliban coming into the Germany and abducting some high ranking US Military soldiers.
By the same standards they would be enemy's of the state and accused of acts of terrorism by the Taliban's distorted facts. Would you think it is fine then?
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" That's horrible. " #5
9/11 was horrible!!
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Yes it was #7 violence is never pretty is it?It can leave people hurting and in pain for years. Some violence like 9-11 can cause more violence as we are aware of now .
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Yes, 9/11 was horrible, but it is also horrible to be wrongly imprisoned or detained and then tortured based on little or no evidence, which is what happened in the case I cited. It is also misleading for a government who claims they do not torture to hand over prisoners expessly for that purpose.
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This is the kind of hypocrisy that leads to al Qaeda being able to recruit more and more members.
We cannot say "do as I say - not as I do" and think other countries won't notice. Are we allowed to break international laws because we are Americans? And if so, why? Like night follows day - abusing people will result in our people being abused - both abroad and here.
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