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That story has my stomach in knots. I had heard of babies being sacrificed on Halloween as part of cult practices, but that was in a world religions class and it just seemed as realistic as the Salem "witches". And, its not that I don't necessarily believe you, but I really do hope you are wrong about the Air Force participation. That seems, hopefully, a little too far-fetched.

Guess I have some praying to do.

There's a couple of therapists here in town, Mark Schwartz, Sc.D. and his wife, Lori Galperin, L.C.S.W. who specialize in treating survivors of Satanic, ritualistic abuse. They run a treatment program here in St. Louis called Castlewood Treatment Center where they deal with the aftereffects of such abuse. The usual result of such childhood horrors is a condition called Dissociative Identity Disorder (what used to be called Multiple Personality Disorder). Fortunately, the lady I wrote about does not suffer from this malady. If you would like to learn more about Satanic ritualistic abuse and/or D.I.D., you can Google Mark and/or Lori's name and read some of the hundreds of papers they've written over the years on these subjects. Incidently, Mark and Lori have also written extensively on sexual addiction.

There are several other folks you can also check out including: Colin A. Ross, Ph.D., Richard P. Kluft, Ph.D., Frank W. Putnam, Ph.D., and B. Braun, Ph.D. All have written extensively about Satanic, ritualistic abuse here in the U.S., and have mention the frequency with which such cults turn up on military bases (all branches of the service).

I'm not trying to scare anyone or turn any stomachs, simply trying to inform. In that light, I guess I should tell you that there are currently supposed to be about five (5) main Satanic cults operation here in the U.S. The main one (the one most people know about) is the Church of Satan, located in California. This group is apparently no big deal since they mostly dabble in this stuff. There is a second group, also headquartered in California and related to the Church of Satan that seeks to recruit teens.

The two (2) groups that I'm aware of that cause the most problems are The Temple of Set, and a group that calls itself The Order. The lady I wrote about was a member of The Order.

Some Satanic rituals demand blood sacrifices (usually an infant) numerous times per year. Each full moon requires such a sacrifice, as does Halloween, and the first day of winter (December 21 this year). Other festivals appear to involve a young girl being gang raped. These festivals include the Satanic Revels and the Bride of the Beast.

I have no idea how widespread this stuff is, but I do know that it exists here in the St. Louis area, and these guys mean business. Their rituals are true life and death matters. The police here have occasionally gotten information on these cult rituals, but they have yet to gather enough information to make any arrests. And with many cult members being part of the military, and subject to transfer at a moment's notice, it's pretty unlikely they'll be able to learn anything of use in the near future.

There are several major holes in this story that make me question its validity. First and most glaring, the USAF base would have to be completely full of a group of Satan Worshipping child murderers. This is highly unlikely and even if it were, other crimes and incidence would appear in the community that would attract attention. "Breeding" and child murder are the acts of the insane, people who would not be able to maintain a decorated military life. Not to mention the satanic subversion of the US military is an old conspiracy theory. Any US military officer who is accused of, with any sort of probable cause or evidemce, murder particularly of a child would be Court Marshalled and returned to sit in front of a military court and would not be protected by the typical standards of extradition.

Also, the vast majority of "Satanic Cults" have very little to do with satan and are more likely to follow teachings similar to those of Aleister Crowley or Anton LaVey, neither of who spoke about an incarnate evil.

Finally, with the omnipresence of audio and video recording equipment and the prevelance of extended surveillance equipment. The police force in the St Louis area would have little difficulty procuring the necessary evidence should they truly believe that child murder is occuring. Much less the housing of women specifically for the purpose of birthing sacrifices. It would be easier to kidnap babies than that.

And seriously, two babies both born on Halloween? Come on.

This "story" is suspect, I myself found it hard to believe 2 children being born on halloween, and ESPECIALLY USAF involved in satanic ritual, it may as well be the entire base involved and if that were the case other military personel would get involved "higher ups". Also these women would have to be willing participants or kept in some kind of dungeon as prisoners in a place that no one could find them.

Keeping them on a military base would just not do, I have worked on military bases Luke AFB specifically. Security there is TIGHT with a capitol T, Also No High ranking officer would have authority to fly away a possible suspect in a serious crime if the four branches of our military were that corrupt we would ALL be inserious trouble!

Charlie I hope your friend continues to seek help with her problems, I wish her the best of luck and good health.

-Anon

Hi Bosh,

I read your response very carefully, and you missed the points I was trying to make on several occasions and went off on some tangent of your own. Let me see if I can clarify things for you.

First, a USAF base would not necessarily have to be filled with Satanists to accomplish the child murders I wrote about. And in most cases, from what I've read and what those who've investigated this stuff have told me, there are only six (6) to twelve (12) cult members who are actually members of the military. The other cult members include their spouses and children, and perhaps a few individuals from the community who comprise the core of the cult. Such Satanic cults are usually fairly small, less than 100 people.

While these folks are criminals, they commit no crimes other than killing babies. They are Satanists. For them, their Satanic rituals, including the murders of children, are a valid as the Mass is for Roman Catholics. They simply have a totally different belief and/or value system than you or I. Sometimes, cult members can function for years as the town banker, auto mechanic, police chief, or even as a school teacher and no one ever be the wiser. Their only crime is that they kill babies.

I agree that using young girls for "breeding" and then killing little babies is the work of a group of madmen, insane people who are way, way out in left field. However, I never stated, nor even implied, that the military folks who were involved in such activities were in any way honorable or decorated military veterans. In fact, I don't know if that is the case or not, so I haven't said anything about it. You're the one who brought it up, not me.

The old conspiracy theory or rumor concerning Satanists in the military continues to make the rounds because there is some truth to it. If there were no truth in it, the rumor would have died out years ago. What I was trying to say was that such activities often occur on, and around military bases where individuals involved in such activities can be quickly transferred out of the country if the authorities begin snooping around or asking questions.

Your final point in the first paragraph shows incredible naivete'. There are dozens of countries all around the world who have no extradition treaty with the United States. To assume that every country in the world would return someone to this country for trial simply because they've been accused to killing a child is ludicrous.

In your second paragraph, you point out that most "Satanic" groups follow the teachings of folks like Anton LaVey or Aleister Crowley. I made that very point in one of my postings above. Most "Satanic" groups simply dabble in this stuff, they aren't serious about it at all. But the two (2) groups I wrote about, The Temple of Set and The Order, are the real thing, and they play for keeps. Simply because you don't believe such things happen, or because you find it hard to believe doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. Again, you are extremely naive', and that naivete' works in favor of the cults. What you don't believe in, you won't worry about. And that leaves these groups free to go about their business without fear of reprisal.

You would think the police in the area would be able to catch these people in the act, but they haven't been able to do that to date. And to be real honest with you, I'm not sure how much they really care about this problem. The girls who are kept as "breeders" are often runaway or throwaway kids who are more trouble than they are worth. The juvenile detention halls are filled to overflowing with kids who are in gangs or selling drugs. They just don't have the time, money, or energy to mess with these kids, much less worry about their babies.

The St. Louis metropolitan area is a very, very large area, comprising several hundred square miles of land and over 125 small cities and towns, including the city of St. Louis. In this huge area, there are plenty of places where young girls can be hidden while they are pregnant. And there are also lots of hidden areas where these cults can preform their rituals, including the killing of a child.

Supposedly, the bodies of the children that are killed in cult rituals are cremated after they have died. The ashes are then either scattered or dumped into one of the many local rivers or creeks, making it impossible to prove that a child ever even existed, much less that they were cremated. These folks have all of the angles covered.

And your comment about kidnapping a child is not without some validity. Some years ago, a young girl by the name of Angie Houseman was kidnapped. Her body was found several weeks later in a large nature preserve west of the city of St. Louis. She was nude and had been tied, hands and feet, to several trees. On her body were a number of brands. tattoos, and carvings which were Satanic. (On her chest was the brand of a pentagram, and in her pubic area the number "666" was carved). The thought was that she was supposed to be the sacrifice for one of the Satanic groups for the Halloween holiday, but before they had a chance to kill her, someone or something came along and scared them away. Angie was left tied up on the ground and eventually froze to death. The police have never found the folks who kidnapped her.

Your final point about two babies both being born and killed on Halloween is really pretty silly. Do you really have that much of a problem believing in coincidence? If so, I could have fun with you exploring the coincidences that occurred surrounding the assassinations of Presidents Lincoln and Kennedy.

Before I close, I want to get back to the reason I posted this thing in the first place. I posted it because the lady I spoke with on Halloween night, the one who had been raped by her father and one of her brothers, and who had her babies killed by the Satanic cult on Halloween night, told me that both her father and brother were now members of one of the Twelve Step sexual addiction groups out in California. Recovery is supposed to be about honesty, and these two guys are anything but honest about their activities. They play like they are in recovery yet are still members of the cult. That means they are still raping and sodomizing little boys and girls. My questions was whether anyone has ever seen or experienced this level of dishonesty before. I wondered how they could remain in the cult and pretend to work a recovery program, and yet not be caught in their lies. That is the gist of this posting. Any comments?

Wow i was starting to get a little jealous that us Aussies don't celebrate Halloween, and was thinking about all the candy I've missed out on in my 36 years.................but maybe not all forms I'm jealous of!!
Whether there are factors we believe or not, the womens trauma can't be denied. Good on you Charli for being there for her.

Charli I think most of your rebuttal sounds fairly legitimate, with the exception of your argument that this USAF conspiracy theory persists because there's truth to it. There are folks out there who strongly believe that the visible condensation left in the wake of jet planes is a sign that the government is spraying chemicals on us, despite complete lack of evidence and scientific evidence to the contrary. This is a persistent myth that will not go away despite the absolute lack of truth. Sometimes people believe what they want to believe, and often those things are more exciting than real life truth. Your argument there is very flawed, although it doesn't mean what you're saying is incorrect. There still could be military people involved in such things. I am puzzled as to how these military men, once under suspicion, can so easily get transferred out of the country. Do they just walk into their superior's office and ask for a transfer? For no reason? Or is their superior in on the whole thing? Is their superior's superior? Now we're talking about widespread corruption, which you have stated is not the case. The bigger question is, what does this have to do with anything? I'll tell you what it sounds like when included in your story: fantastical, conspiracy based fear mongering. The US military being involved is completely irrelevant, except that it appeals to the inner conspiracy theorist in everyone, makes everything appear more sinister and gets our adrenalin running.

As for the actual issue, I'm sure it's very possible for somebody to participate in a 12 step program while living a lie and "acting out." You're right, the program is dependent on the person's honesty, so if they're not honest, it doesn't work, but it doesn't mean that people don't lie their way through. Everything is based on self-disclosure, so how would anybody ever find them out? Obviously I'd question why they're in the program then, but that may be very quickly answered by finding out what prompted them to get into it in the first place. I was in a group with a man who admitted he was attending primarily to make himself look better and more sympathetic in court. There can be various reasons for somebody to take a program, and various reasons to lie. While the story you tell is shocking and hard to believe, the fact that those men are in a 12 step is not the shocking part of it.

Hi corban,

Thanks for your response. On my side of things, I think the only group I can talk about with any authority is the group that operates out of the Air Force base in Belleville, Illinois, Scott Air Force Base. This base is the world headquarters for the Military Airlift Command, and is responsible for getting all materials, from toilet paper to Abrams tanks to our military people wherever they happen to be serving around the world. It is an incredibly involved operation, with planes taking off and landing every 10 minutes or so, 24/7. One of the Colonels who commands this operation is supposed to be the leader of this cult, The Order, here in this area. Some of the folks who are part of the cult serve under his command, so he can transfer them wherever he wants on a moment's notice. I have no idea what goes on beyond that point. I'm not sure if someone else needs to okay the transfers or if his word is law. Frankly, this stuff was never a concern to me. But I know this cult has been active here in St. Louis for many, many years.

As far as activities on other military bases go, I've pretty much relied on information passed on to me by Dr. Mark Schwartz and his wife, Lori Galperin, L.C.S.W. Also, the other authors I spoke about above have all written about military involvement in the various Satanic cults. I'd suggest you Google a few names and check out some of the articles they have written. All of the folks I mentioned above are very well respected therapists with years and years of experience working with survivors of Satanic, ritualistic abuse.

I know people lie in Twelve Step groups. Shoot, I've had dozens of guys that I've sponsored lie to me over the years. But I've always found them out, and none of them ever got beyond Step Two before the truth came out. My shock is that these two guys could get all the way up to Steps Nine and Ten and not have been found out. The Twelve Steps are all about honesty, and these two are certainly anything but honest. How have they managed to slip through the cracks? Are they able to act that well? Or do the other folks in their groups have blinders on? Has anyone else ever seen something like this at a Twelve Step group they've attended?

how did you find out about the lies of the people you were sponsoring? I suspect there are wide variations in the way 12 step groups are administered, since in my experiences with being sponsored I wouldn't even worry about being caught lying. If I chose to lie that was my choice, it just meant that I might as well not bother with the program. But I have no idea how my sponsor would have ever found out I was lying.