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Just the Girl Friend - what to do?
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I am new here and am just beginning the journey to understanding. First a little background on me. I am a divorced mother of 2 adult children. I went through the teenage years and felt it was the most tumultuous time of my life. My daughter gave me a very hard row to hoe from about 14 to 16. My son didn’t really hit any rebelliousness until he was a senior and already 18. Mostly with him it was a struggle between him feeling like an adult and me trying to keep limits and boundaries. My daughter and I well that was awful for awhile. Her issues where not so much direct defiance, however I had to be ever vigilant with her because she would try her best to manipulate and lie to gain freedom. It was simply exhausting and awful. Now she is 23 and doing great but I really was not so sure how she was going to be during those bad days... and they were bad days!
So here I am with my children all raised and doing ok. I feel accomplished and so very grateful that we all made it through. I enjoy my kids now a heck of a lot more than the teen years to put it midly. It is such a relief to have a little freedom of my own and not be sick to my stomach worrying over what my kids were up too. There is no greater pleasure than a feeling of “Peace of Mind” nothing even compares. So now my issue: I am dating a man whose 16 year old son has recently been diagnosed with ODD. We live together and he has shared custody. We have had to have to police at the house and his mother has also had to call several times. The child is completely out of control and so unbelievably disrespectful. He dresses and acts sort of like a street punk, openly and defiantly uses drugs and dares his dad to do anything about it. He was truant a good portion of his sophomore year, steals, has a filthy mouth, and is violent toward his parents. I feel as though he has the keys to the bus and we are all just passengers. All I can hope for is that he doesn’t drive us all over a cliff. Our lives are in complete turmoil when he is around. As the girl friend I don’t know what my role is. I try to keep my own boundaries with him. But how can I sit in a house as just a girl friend while he lights up a joint? As an adult I simply can’t do it. It’s just so wrong but I have no power so I leave. I try my best to be busy outside of the home when he is around. I have actually just sat in a parking lot for hours listening to music so I was not there. Now here is where this gets a bit gritty and if I offend I am sorry. Please understand I am looking to understand here but feel I must say how I really feel first. I think therapy is a racket, or at least I am suspicious of it. The child’s mother is a therapist, her son and how she operates only confirms my feelings. I also feel as though an oppositional defiant disorder diagnosis is a ruse for therapist to line their pockets and make parents completely powerless and need a therapist to raise their own kids. I have goggled and have seen several references to psychiatric professionals calling ODD “Brat Disease”. I feel that the child needs his parents to step up and take control (I know, not so easy.) He needs structure, boundaries and consequences. I feel he is over indulged emotionally and has passive parents who, because of the divorce, operate on guilt and not as parents. If they can not teach him these things then when he reaches adulthood the world will and that will not be helpful to anyone. Whew! I’m sorry I feel like I just unloaded on all of you. I know it’s complicated and not so easy. This is really the only venue I have to express my feelings. As “just the girl friend” what advise do you have for me? Do I stay out of it? Wouldn’t it make it even more complicated if I inserted myself? How can I best be supportive? What would you most like to hear from someone? Would direct talk be helpful? Do you believe in “tough love”? Should I keep silent? Posted on 06/25/12, 03:37 pm |
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Well, I read your comments last night and decided I wouldn't write back because I was unsure of what to write. I kept thinking about it today, so here goes. I am not in the situation you are in, being the girlfriend. I would imagine it's a difficult spot to be in and witness what your boyfriend and his son are going through.
The situation I'm in, is married 23 yrs, educated, work full time. I suspected my daughter of having ADHD around 4, around 8, I saw the ODD. Dr's just said it was a phase, don't worry, until things have escalated us to call the police due to suicidal remarks and cutting herself (she's 12 3/4, a beautiful, tall blonde, who's smart). A trip to the hospital psych unit and them telling us she was calm, because she said she wouldn't hurt herself. Most of us have lived with these extreme behaviors for years. We (I should say I) have done countless hours of research online, in books, and with professionals because we want to help our children, which in turn can help the family as a whole. Family life is chaotic, you worry and are in constant fear of what will be next. We are on our 5th counselor to try and help with the anger, suicidal thoughts, cutting, lonliness because friendships are so difficult (that is, if other mothers even allow their girls to hang out with mine.), constant defiance, screaming and yelling things such as," I wish you would just crawl in a hole and die." or if my husband and I would plan a night out, "I hope you die in a car crash." not to forget the throwing of objects, and destroying property. I've only been going through this for 8 yrs. I know there's some here who have done it longer. It's exhausting( physically and mentally), to say the least. It strains your marriage, family and friend relationships that you have. Every part of your life is affected by this. You wish you could run away. We never expected this, as parents, or, I imagine would our kids have chosen this road. I know it's not what I wanted for my family/child. Regardless, if you are a passive parent or not, do you think we haven't tried the "tough love" method? Guess what? It didn't work, but only made it worse! If it was only that simple we wouldn't be here trying to vent, get suggestions, and maybe finding something from someone else that just may work, even if it's just a little bit. Personally, I know I don't like living in turmoil on a daily basis. I would just like to help my daughter and ourselves get through this as best we can, and I'm willing to do whatever it takes so she may have a future that looks brighter than what she thinks it is now. A little bit of Peace is what I want also. I do wish you the best of luck in your situation!
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Thank you so much for responding to me. I have read and re read what I wrote and I realize it came off as critical and just condescending at points. But I really am here to learn, understand, and vent. I am in my own black hole watching all of this go down. I am invested in the relationship I have with my boyfriend and seek to help not make things worse for him, or his family.
My comment about "Tough Love" was not meant in sarcasm it is actually a real question. Would tough love help in this situation? For example, yesterday I come home from work, in a hurry to make dinner because my Bf wants to take his younger son to a baseball game. I was looking forward to a peaceful evening...yeah right! First I see the older boy with ODD walking out of the rear of the house he leaves slamming the front door. Then a few minutes later my BF walks in his clothes torn, scratches along his arm, and a little bloody on the face. He says we have a problem and my stomach just clenches...after turning off his son’s phone the child tried to pry my BFs phone from his hands and a wrestling match ensued. The child apparently pulled a knife on his father also. So now he has left the premises on foot. His father has no idea where he would go or what his state of mind is. My Bf is looking for advice he is overwhelmed and is shaking all over. My first instinct is "call the police". It was weird because I didn’t stop cooking dinner I was strangely calm…for a minute. Then I got the shakes myself and wanted to go around locking the doors and was afraid the boy would return. Then I was more adamant, “You can’t just let it go you should call the police. “I didn’t raise my voice but was straightforward. What could I do to be a better help that is my question. What is my role here when this man is completely defeated by all of this madness? He really has no idea what to do anymore and frankly neither do I. My instinct says take control of this situation, but is that the wrong mind set? Putting the child is the court system is that any sort of answer here? Should he not at least make an emergency appointment with his therapist? Shouldn’t something decisive be happening here?
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I also wanted to mention that all of the chaos that you told me about I can relate to. Although I realize I have an "out" I can just leave, I am only a girl friend' . As it stands now living in fear is my life too. I search for "Peace of Mind" but its elusive, a stranger to me. I lived with domestic violence for years and see so many simulairities. I fear I am co-dependant my BF is an enabler I keep tring to not lable everything but once you have gone through therepy it is hard to not. I dont want to be an arm chair quarterback I want to be of help. There is a lot of name calling going on between my BF and his former wife too, I of course, get brought into that. So far been I have been able to keep my mouth shut but it is hard, very hard, to not start pointing fingers back at her or correct him in what he is saying to her. He never refers to her current BF with any respect so how can you except her to have any for me? It goes both ways. But just how far do I go to assert my opinion? No one is faultless in this divorce. I learned the hard way you gotta own your mistakes. Even though my ex was violent I can recogize ways to better myself. But on the other hand, I have the luxary of time and space. These two parents are too busy reacting to what ODD throws at them to be reflective and peaceful for two minutes. And not one player in this is on the same page, we all have diffrent views on how to move forward, what to do, how to act. I feel as though its imperitive to gain some control. He feels like he needs to not escalate, and reward good behavior, she thinks his meds are off and that his Dad needs to be more connected... but they cant be civil about that stuff. He is an mf'er she is a B*tch ect. In my mind I think no wonder the kid is a mess. You guys gotta get it together! I feel like telling them both to grow up already! I try very hard to keep my opinions to myself. Not to any great success though, I admit. I could go on and on but again, Thank you very much for responding to me even though I probably got off on the wrong foot with everyone.
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Well, this much I do know...the longer that child can manipulate you all against each other, the longer the chaos will reign. As long as everyone is pointing fingers at everyone but him, he laughs at how easily he can turn all of your lives upside down, on his whim. The adults need to start acting like adults and let the past be the past so they can get him the help he needs together. This wholeODD thing is a total beat down if you have no support system. This kid needs people to come together for him.
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I totally agree with you Chirp, but I have to tell you I don't see that happening in the forseeable future. I really just can not relate to either of them on this topic. It is so confusing especially since she is a therapist herself...
I have been thinking a lot about all of this and my role, I am starting to think that I need to take care of myself a bit here and not get all codependent and put thier stuff ahead of my own. I have been accused of being distant and detached before and am sensitive to that so maybe I am over compensating. I mean they are the parents, I can not really influence anything in that dynamic. If they choose to be dysfunctional then ...shrugs... What can I do? Here I am on a discussion board trying to learn about this and I know neither of them are activley trying to do anything except blame each other. He is my BF and I do love him but this is all him and her , they gotta get it together. I feel like its more important to them to place blame than be parents. I want to go lightly on my BF but really its nonsense what they spew at each other. I have read much more since my first post and now realize this is way more complicated . I am learning
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I'm sorry...it can't be fun being stuck in the middle or on the sideline. This is your life too that you're talking about. I'm so grateful my ex and current husband are all on the same page with my ODD 15 yo. It hasn't necessarily helped anything yet--the kid continues to spiral downhill, but at least we can focus our emotional/mental energy on the problem instead of on the blame. There is a sense of peace in being able to do that with someone I once despised...but, we also have 14 years of living apart and moving forward too.
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Thank you it means a lot, really. Its just hard as a mother myself and feeling like I have valid input but also know that it would be seen as interfering considering the current climate.
I am so used to being in charge, in fact, my kids still call me the "HBIC" (Head B*tch in Charge) they are adults and its only mean it in jest. I know its off color but it speaks to how I have functioned regarding my family. So now this role and having to stay out of it, is foreign to me. It is my life! I wonder what in the world I'm doing here..afraid to go to sleep because this child might explode or some other huge blow up is going to happen. To me having a child pull a knife on you and physically assaulting you to the point of injury is a CRISIS! But all that happened was...well... nothing at all. Selfishly, I am glad the boy is staying away from my house but am just waiting for the other shoe to drop. What happens if this goes untreated? I have read next is conduct disorder...then anti social disorder...Does anyone have a link on prognosis? I have only found very vague references. Is there one thing that your support network does that makes you feel better? Should I say a lot of " It is not your fault? " to my BF? He is so defeated right now and I just dont know how to give him any hope. He is just glad for every moment of peace we have I hate to break to spell. How could I best be of help?
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I tell you what...the minute a weapon is pulled on anyone, including the ODD kid, the police will be called in my home. For one thing, they need a paper trail in case the kid cries abuse and makes up events (happened to me), and it also shows the kid you aren't jacking around anymore with them. It will get worse before it gets better, but it's best to involve the police in those types of crises--yes, I TOTALLY agree, that is a crisis!!
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justjegf~
You truly have no idea what this kid's parent's have been living with. Yes, i am offended by the term "Brat Disease". You come here for help, yet you know not of what you speak. A day can feel like a year with an O.D.D. child. And every single one of us parents on this HELP site have struggled and have been in denial at some point, when so many Doctors and Therapists tell us this is what our child that we love and adore HAS-- this terrible affliction. It is very REAL. Not a made up excuse for bad behavior. I have to live with this every day! Parents at school looking at me sideways "She's the one with the unruly brat child". My kid has no friends. Because their parents will not let them hang out with my son. This is a horrible existence! Very isolating. If you do not "believe" in ODD--why are you here?
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A big AMEN to the comment of mothermouse.
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Well, I read your comments last night and decided I wouldn't write back because I was unsure of what to write. I kept thinking about it today, so here goes. I am not in the situation you are in, being the girlfriend. I would imagine it's a difficult spot to be in and witness what your boyfriend and his son are going through.

