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Penis Pump,a scam?
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As far as I know modern science has yet to figure out precisely how a man gets or fails to get an erection.
So if a guy has E.D. and tries a pump and the placebo effect kicks in, he could get an erection , and he will think the pump did a wonderful job, and be glad he bought it. Now if he uses a pump and the placebo effect fails and he stays limp , he will feel he wasted money on it, but he can't admit that he is impotent and he did something so silly. So the pump seller will succeed either way. I mean, what man is gonna go to wal-mart with a penis pump is his hand and say this piece of crap you sold me did'nt work I want my money back! In order to produce the effect the adverizement describes that rubber thing that is in the open end of the vacuum chamber would have to form an airtight seal,or outside air would force its way into what ever vacuum was created. The rubber ring that is on the shaft is supposed to do this, could not possibly fit the shaft tightly enough. To create an air tight seal the ring would have to be more than a tight fit, it would have to be SO tight that it would act as a tourniquet. You would have to use a hose clamp that would apply so much pressure that it would bend the walls of the veins inward. That is really gonna hurt. While it is possible to stop the flow of blood by constricting blood vessels by using a tourniquet, when you stopped the flow in the veins you would also stop the flow in the arteries, thus you would stop the blood from flowing in. these things work by placebo effect. The old man believes his wiener will start to work properly again because he has this device, and he gets excited about it. This results in an erection. OK, I don't know if that is why these things seem to work, but my theory has gotta make more sense than yours. Posted on 06/30/12, 10:55 pm |
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Hey Jasper,
You have some good points and some odd points about using a VED pump. Can't say I have ever heard of the placebo effect when it comes to using a pump tho. Usually if someone needs to use a VED pump, well, there's not much hope of getting an erection naturally (unless he's recovering from surgery or something and things get better over time). And yes the tube will form an air-tight fit at the base -- but sometimes you have to trim back the forest thicket to get the tree to stand up. Or shave completely. An yeah rings are the things. They do have to be pretty tight to work (two less tight ones is better than one real tight one). Osbon rings are the only good ones. So if you need a pump, get a good one (100 dollars or so). Don't get a real expensive one medical pump unless your insurance is paying for most of it. J 
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You have never heard of the placebo effect when it comes to using a pump because the pumps were never tested scientifically.
To do a proper test you need a control group that would use a placebo and another group that would use the item tested. So ,to do a proper test one would get a group of the pumps and deliberartely drill a very very small hole in it that would permit air to flow in and ruin any vacuum. Other wise these pumps would be identical to the real ones. The volunteers are divided into 2 groups at random, the control group will get the modified pumps but will be told they are getting the real thing. Both groups use the pumps under the exact same conditions. I would be willing to bet $1000 that the percentage of men who achieved an erection would be about the same for both groups.
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Greetings!
My husband has ED and the pump was the only thing that gave him an erection. Heck, even oral doesn't give him an erection. However like Jstars points out. The rings are what is the important thing. I would be almost willing to bet that the pump is highly effective % wise. However, it's once the pump is removed is where the let down comes in. So yes, pump works but requires rings to maintain the erection.
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Jasper,
Ok now I see what your point is about a placebo effect. I suppose there could be some tiny percent who otherwise might have some form of ED where the pump would get them hard and when they removed the pump they would stay hard (thus proving in some way that they don't have ED). And that is a neat idea for the control group with a non-working pump. Such a test ain't never gonna happen, but is interesting idea. Most of us pumpers are looking at it from the definitely-have-ED point of view. There is no doubt about it and it is not Psychological ED. But there are also lots of pumpers who use one with perfectly fine members as part of a PE program to help get more girth or whatever. They might be getting erections naturally while also pumping, but they are pumping for fun or for added girth gains over time etc. Are you using one now or contemplating using one? An Encore pump is pretty good -- either manual or battery powered. Plus Osbon rings of course. J
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You need to use the rings because the rings work with the placebo effect to produce the erection.
No, I have never used a pump and never needed to. I am an engineer and a skeptic so I know a scam when I see one. To create a vacuum you need to do 2 things. 1,pump air out of a chamber 2,stop other air from entering the chamber One of the ends of the plastic tube is open. You can attempt to plug that end with a penis and that silicon rubber thing. IRL this will not work. Air will slide past the shaft of the penis. The dick head has a larger diameter than the shaft. If the hole in the rubber thing is large enough for the dick head to go through then it will be too large to have a tight fit on the shaft. Without the tight fit the air will slip past and enter the chamber, thus ruining whatever vacuum is created. Perhaps the air flowing over the skin of the shaft is similar to the sensation one gets when one is sucked on? that does the trick?
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If my thingie was a little bit narrower I think I could test this by inserting it into the nozzle of a vacuum cleaner's hose.
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Jasper,
That silicone disk thingy that has a hole in the center and goes over the shaft and then rests on the bottom of the tube is used only by Augusta pumps i think. A limp dick can be squeezed thru it and then expanding shaft will seal it up.. I've never used one of those discs. Supposedly it keeps other things (like yer jewels) from getting sucked into the tube. It is not enough to actually keep the shaft from deflating tho. For that you need real cock rings. My pump just has a open end and a couple of rings go OVER the tube and then slip and snap off when you got the full beast ready to go. Simple. I'm an engineer too and have souped up my own pump with larger tube and the osbon rings and things. Works great every time -- but i only use it for rehab and fun not for IC use. J
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"A limp dick can be squeezed thru it and then expanding shaft will seal it up.."
The shaft will be expanding because of the placebo effect or the ring. Yes if your thingie gets bigger it could form an airtight seal with the rubber thing, but in order for that to happen you have to get an erection. Get it? the erection process begins before the vacuum is created. According to the advertising the vacuum process happens first then the erection happens because of it. If your shaft expands then you don't have ED. I did an experiment. I got one of those cardboard tubes that paper towels are wrapped around, then I attached it to the nozzle of my shop-vac with duct tape. I then turned on the shop-vac and used it as directed according to the pumps website. Nothing happened. I did feel air rushing past, but since I don't believe the thing would work, there was no erection.
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@Jasper
"If your shaft expands then you don't have ED. " This isn't necessarily true. My husband had ED no doubt about it. However, he can achieve, at times, some form of erection. The pump does help him achieve more of an erection. I'm not trying to argue with you or anything, but i don't want to discourage someone from trying the pump. They are very effective, whether placebo or not, and help many men.
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@jasper
I think you meant to say "If your shaft expands then you are not impotent". You can still have E.D.
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