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My good friend- we call each other sisters- is married to an abusive alcoholic with anger issues. They have two children age 5 and under, are both more or less unemployed- though not for lack of trying on her part- and cannot afford their rent, much less food or anything else.

Her husband will soon collect unemployment & then military disability at which point the only that would keep him from drinking all day is is she takes all the money and all the credit cards away when she goes to work. When he drinks he becomes physically abusive to her. He has threatened to kill her on three separate occasions, and has hit her several times. Our mutual friend confided in my that she witnessed him slapping the five year old across the face for no other reason than he was drunk.

When he is not drinking he is rarely supportive and has emotionally abused her and i suspect mentally as well, as five years ago she wouldn't have put up with this crap if she hadn't been pregnant with his child.

When she is miserable, she is not a good mother. The oldest needs his shots, and he needs to be in school. Their living situation is up in the air so I understand her desire to wait and enrolll him until they are settled somewhere. She doesn't seem to realize that having him in school will give her time to work, care for the younger one and find places to live.It will also get him a at least one meal. I have calle dthe county services and I told her about the country's health & human services innoculation program for $0 per vist or free if you meet income qualifications. I told her I would help her get her sons in if she needed it, as they only have one car and her husband refuses to get his license.

The younger one is a very unhappy baby. My sister is stressed out and miserable and the kids get the brunt of it. She yells at them all the time. There is very little to no structure in their learning and our boss (we work for the same woman) has told me she doesn't know if the kids eat when they aren't with her (our boss).

When my sister's husband was working they didn't qualify for food stamps, but she did have WIC. I told her to apply for foodstamps again because I"m sure this time they will qualify(plus the county info guy said they would).

She told our boss that in October they were going to try to have another baby because they want a girl, Two boys and a girl.

HOW DO I TELL HER THIS IS A TERRIBLE TERRIBLE IDEA???
I am afraid she want this child to try to bring her and her husband together again. They were very close when the second baby was born. What if it isn't a girl? She was too young to be a mom and she doesn't want to be one right now. I am afraid the eldest is going to get pushed aside, because he already had been a bit when the second one was born. They cannot afford to properly feed or house themselves now, they aren't possibly going to be able to afford an infant.

She is not going to be happy with another child. She knows they won't be able to collect unemployment forever, and her husband has become a lazy alcoholic who won't acknowledge his anger issues and get himself some help.

My nephew confides in our friend. He tells her he doesn't think his dad loves him, and that he doesn't want his dad to be his dad anymore. He also talks to her about his dad's drinking.

A CHILD OF FIVE SHOULD NOT KNOW THAT DRINKING MAKES HIS DAD CHANGE. There is something wrong with that picture. I told our friend to call CPS next time she sees the husband lay hands on the boys, but she is hesitant to ruin a friendship and to be in a position where she can protect somewhat.I understand that as I have wanted to make time in my busy schedule to give my nephew a place to learn and be safe.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. I don't want to overstep boundaries or move too fast. My sister knows her husband won't change. She's said so herself. I've given her information on abused women shelters and told her some of the place can help her financially. I told her to start making a plan so if he gets out of hand again she knows where she's going, how much money she has, things like that. She knows my place is always a safe one because that man does not scare me. Perhaps I should be, but I have so much anger and hate towards him for what he's done and what he's doing that the idea of letting him get the best of me is ludicruss. Besides, due to an domestic abuse situation that happend while they were staying at my place that he started, he is no longer allowed on my property by my landlord's orders. But I digress...

I am watching her life disintegrate, any chance of happiness, and she's taking her children with her..... and I want desperately to stop her but I don't know how.

Anyone any ideas? Advice? IF anyone's been in an abusive siutation, any tips on how our friend & i can help her more? coax her more? I don't want her to be finally convinced when she's lying in a hospital bed bandaged up .....

Please pray for her. Pray for Jax in S.D.
Posted on 09/05/09, 02:09 am
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Reply #1 - 09/05/09  9:20am
" she has to walk away from the situation with him but she is obviously not going to do that right now. It's a typical s-m relationship whose roots run deep. Those poor children! I think a discreet call to dyfs is in order. "
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Reply #2 - 09/05/09  4:22pm
" Please clarify- what is "dyfs" ?

Also, for anyone & everyone reading: I was thinking of a citizens arrest on the husbandshould the opportunity ever present itself (i know opportunity seems an odd word for this) any suggestions? is it a good idea? bad idea? and why? "
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Reply #3 - 09/05/09  4:55pm
" Unfortunately, you can't be arrested for being an alcoholic, lousy husband and father, and a no good lazy bum! He actually has to be in the process of a domestic situation before he can be arrested. Otherwise it is just a he says/she says situation.

Your "sister" obviously doesn't want to have the bum out of her life since she is talking about having another baby with him. What is wrong with her? This guy is going to use her until she finally says "GET OUT!" Then she would be stuck raising 3 children by herself. What is she thinking?

Nothing you do or say is going to make any difference as long as she has such a low opinion of herself. That is exactly what she has - a very low opinion of herself and her potential. We know she should get out of that marriage and domestic situation, but until she , herself, is ready to admit that he is a lost case, she won't leave.

What I would do, is keep working on her. Tell her she is so worthy of a life with another man - one who will love her and the kids, be willing to go out and work to support them, and meet all of their needs. The bum loves his alcohol and his free time. I think she should leave him, get help from welfare, and go to school to get a career that she can support her and the 2 children. Definitely persuade her not to have another baby. If the 2 children they have already hasn't gotten the bum to be responsible, another baby sure isn't going to do it. "
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Reply #4 - 09/07/09  3:22pm
" I couldn't sit with all this weighing on me anymore. Her phone is disconnected so I wrote her a VERY long e-mail. I told her it was a bad idea to have the child, asked to her think about what happens if it's not a girl, told her my fears about the oldest boy getting pushed to the side, told her she didn't deserve to live in fear and neither do her kids and that i loved her. I didn't trash talk her husband, 'cause I read you shouldn't do that with victims, but I did raise the question of the likelie- hood of another kid snapping him into being a Dad and stop abusing them. I told her the county has resources and i told her about the childcare through my school and i offered to open up my home to the oldest boy so he can have a safe place to learn & be a kid.I pointed out the benefits of the boys being in daycare for both parents, i told her i loved her and i didn't want to see her getting hurt or end visiting her in the hospital. i told her she can always count on me to be there for her, even if i don't agree with her decisions, and that i want her to feel and be safe and be content so she can be happy.i tod her how i saw her change and how i saw the eldestt change too.

I don't know if it will work. OR in what ways. She has mellowed out A LOT but in there is a risk that she will take the e-mail badly and she's one that can hold a grudge.and this may upset her. but i couldn't hold it in anymore. I thought about going to her place and talking to her, but her husband would be there, and frankly I am so filled with disgust and hatred for that man that the sight of him makes me physically ill and want to knock him out.
It is so bad that when I was at the beach on Friday, and I saw them all off in the distance,I didn't go say hi and see my nephews, because her husband was there. My boyfriend feels the same way.

This sucks. "
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Reply #5 - 09/07/09  4:58pm
" you need to keep calling srs and if nothing else go to a lawyer and talk about getting a child in need of care order for the kids,, this does not involove the srs only the courts a lawyer and judge., it may allow you to get tempoerary custody of the kids and for her to get them back she would have to do court orderd therapy and parenting classes depending on what they say \. they willapp, a attornerey for the kids and casa volunteer who will be their voice, these kids do not have a choice in their living conditions and parents choices, your sister is making that choice for whatever reasonn and until she gets a wake up call wich hopefully will be not a tragic one you cannot do anything for her,, but those kids need to be taken care of and the excuse of ruinign a good friendship is not a good one, those kids have to come first not friendships,, srs is suppose to be discreet, sitting by abd waitingfor someone to do something may be to late, call a lawyer and talk to them. "
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Reply #6 - 09/07/09  6:31pm
" I cannot afford to care for the children. I myself can barely afford to feed myself, and barely make enough to cover my rent.I mean, I"m lucky if I have an extra $20 bucks after bills are due. I work four jobs and am trying to finish a degree. As much as I would love to take them in the reality is my financial resources aren't much better than hers. I just don't have three other mouths to feed, so if the cupboards are bare for a day or two, it's no big deal for me. As long as I have slimfast & milk, I can get by. An 18 month old and a 5 year old need more than what I can give them in time. I know that if Ihad custody, there are other county services that can help me, but I don't know if it would still be enough to make ends meet. The one consolation is I know they would be safe, and learning.

Okay, so everyone is tossing out these acronyms and initials and I don't know what they mean. Could someone please explain so I know all the resource options I have
what is DYFS, in Rubella's reply? And what is SRS in Bugabugs' reply? "
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Reply #7 - 09/08/09  1:52pm
" And now she is mad at me. I knew that it was a 50/50 chance in sending that e-mail. But now I wish I hadn't sent it. She knows her husband won't change anytime soon. She's said so herself and recently more frequently.

She claimed I don't have any time for her and said it was because of my boyfriend to which I responded I tried to call her on multiple occasions but her phone was off and her work schedule is crazy so I don't know when she's going to be in so I can just pop in.

She said it was like the pot calling the kettle black- (my guy and I had a physical fight, I started it, I"m ashamed and we split because of it. since we reunited, there haven't been fights so we're working on it and succeeding). I told her true, but that I only have myself to look out for.

She said I had no idea what her reasons were to having a kid. I told her true, and that's because we haven't talked in a long while because her phone was off, and our brief run in's at our boss' home, well the kind of talking I want to do with her, I don't want to do with my boss right there. It would muddle things, I've learned from experience.

I don't know when or if she'll ever stop being mad at me. She holds grudges for a loooooong time.

damn it this sucks big time "
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Reply #8 - 09/08/09  2:07pm
" You tried to help her and she rejected the help from someone (you) who really cared about her and her children.

She said that you didn't have any idea why she wanted another kid - hmmmmm! What other reason would it be other than to trap him to stay with her and be kind to her since he usually is nice to her after she has a baby. Best reason I ever heard (I'm being sarcastic). She is in denial that her life is a mess.

Well, like I said, you tried. Now let her make her own moves. Stay out of it, and steer clear of her or the entire subject. Go on with your life and don't let her stupidity bother you. Concentrate on the things you can do to make your life better. Get new friends, and enjoy life!! "
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Reply #9 - 09/08/09  2:35pm
" Sorry- here I am again. I had gotten off of the computer and was thinking about this situation. All of a sudden it hit me.

Does this sister/friend require a lot of attention brought to herself? Does she find that attention is drawn to her when she talks to others about the way her husband treats her and how abusive he is when he drinks, etc.....? If so, do you think that her real reason for wanting another baby is that she got a lot of attention from others when she was pregnant?

If your answer is "yes" to any of these questions, she may be mad at you for suggesting she not bring another baby into the situation, and possibly leaving the relationship. By doing that, she may feel that you were trying to take her attention-getting devices away from her. She needs attention drawn to herself - that is what she lives for. There is a name for this behavior, but I can't remember it.

Anyway, this was just a thought I had. I will go away now, I promise. "
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Reply #10 - 09/08/09  5:51pm
" no, quite the opposite on teh attention getting. she used to tell me everything but i think in the past 1.5-2 years she isn't tellng everyon everything..... so i don't believe that is her angle for this

but good suggestion people do weird things for weird reasons "

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