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Hello fellow CPers. Just found this forum yesterday while doing some research. That research led me to writing the following this morning which sums up where I'm at and what I deal with:



Got A Name For It?

After tons of research, I have finally discovered where my lifelong joint pain is coming from. Well, at least I found a name for it:
Chronic Tendonosis.
Not tendonitis. Tendonitis suggests inflamation in the tendons. Tendonosis suggests deterioration or degeneration of the tendons.
And, I've been dealing with this for 25 years or so. It goes back to when I was 15. I grew a foot in a year. My tendons globally did not keep up. One other thing I remembered once I discovered tendonosis is that I was diagnosed with Osgood-Schlatters back then. That's caused by growing too fast and having the tendon that holds your kneecaps on get inflamed and become a painful bump where it connects to the tibia.

And, it never healed. None of it.

I gotta tell ya, it's such a relief to me to finally be able to name the joint pain. For awhile there, I thought I was going crazy. Nope.
It was astounding. I was looking at a diagram of the human body and where all the major tendons are. As I went down the body, I was like, check, check, got it, check, yep, that one too, check. Shoulders, elbows, hands, fingers, most of my spine, occasionally my hips, especially the knees, and feet. As I looked at the diagram of the feet, I saw that we have two huge tendons that come down from the sides of the ankle and around the sides of the feet. These help hold the arch of the foot up. And, when I wake up in the morning and put pressure on my feet, the eye-crossing pain is coming directly from them.

It's like I can actually see, or visualize rather, the source of all of this now. It's a huge weight lifted off my mind.

Now, knowing this, changes nothing. If it hasn't gotten better (and only gotten worse as I've aged - 40 now) I doubt it's ever going to improve. It does change the way I think about it though. I've been thinking I have arthritis all this time. Which reminds me; it's no wonder all that glucosamine I've been taking hasn't helped one bit. It's not been the cartilage afterall. Duh. I guess, in my mind, thinking that if I do too much with my joints, bend too much, over stress them too much, that I would do more damage. Now that I know it's my tendons, I think I may function a little differently. I suppose the chance of me tearing a tendon is good, but still, I might not have to baby my body so much now. I'm sure that hasn't helped me much.

Now I need to find a way to strengthen the muscles around my offending joints. Help support the tendons a bit more. This is a catch-22 though. I cannot run. I can't do any high impact excersise at all. It just hurts too f*cking much. I can swim. I need to look into yoga. If I remember correctly, my friend is going to point me in the right direction with that.

I just have to be careful. Having degenerative disc disease in my back ups the stakes. When my back takes a shit, it's all over. (Which it's wont to do every six months or so...)

Now, all I need to do is figure out why I have begun having constantly pinched nerves in my uppper back and neck and I'll be all groovy. More or less. Heh.

Chronic Tendonosis. Who'da thunk it? Better question is; why didn't my doctor?


And that's that. To top all that painwise, I also live with Hydradenitis Suppurativa. Something most folks have never heard of. It's one painful bitch of a thing.
So yeah, I'm a mess. But, thanks to modern medicine, I function a bit more like a normal human being and try to stay positive. Which is quite a feat for someone who is pessimistic by nature.

I've been doing a lot of reading of posts here since I found it and have found all kinds of good info and folks who seem cool. So, I thought, why not. Join. So, howdy.
Posted on 11/19/08, 03:11 pm
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Reply #1 - 11/19/08  3:47pm
" Hey Joe King, Sounds like you have cracked the case. Congrats! Knowledge is mos def power. That and the one who reads the MRI and the Doc as well. I think that alot of Drs. think if its not thi or that well then you're good to go. I have cervical stenosis which is a form of arthritis. I was in a head on mva a few yrs back, Then an on the job injury. I'm an ex hairstylist and I really injury my neck and back then. Anyhow yeah we feel like we have been thru the mill and about the only thing we are really sure of is the pain. Plus since I was hurt in 95 they actually have begun to recognize fibromyalgia as well. This is really long so gonna stop now. PS Swimming is the BEST for the type of pain we have. whew I'm done now Bye "
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Reply #2 - 11/19/08  3:50pm
" Hi, it's very nice to have you here! I want you to know that people on here are incredibly supportive, knowledgeable, and comforting...we're all kind of like an on-line family, with everyone in pain!

Anyway, I'm so very sorry you've been suffering this long. A LOT of people on here have been, with one ailment or, more often than not, a combination of ailments.

I'm glad you derive some satisfaction from knowing the source of your pain. However, relief or a cure would be even better, huh? I have a couple of questions/suggestions for you, if you don't mind. First off, have you been evaluated for connective tissue diseases? When someone has global tendon problems that severe, that is definitely cause to at least evaluate for connective tissue problems. I know you have pain (and I imagine it's extreme), but do you have hypermobility of any kind? That is, do your knees bend backwards past the midline? Do your elbows bend backwards past the midline? If you grab your pinkie finger can you pull it backwards so it makes a 90-degree angle with the back of your hand? Can you bend at the waist and put your hands flat on the floor? (It's unlikely you'll be able to do that one , though, due to your DDD.) Do your joints move around very easily and painfully? Do you hear a lot of popping or maybe grinding in your joints? These are all signs of hypermobility.
You see, since you mention this global problem with your tendons, I can't help thinking that other soft tissues in your body that are constructed of the same/similar collagen type (ligaments/meniscus/labrum) also are having problems and causing you pain. Hypermobility to some degree would be an indicator that they are.
I myself was born with loose soft tissues (tendons, ligaments, etc.), but I don't have severe hypermobility...just enough to be troublesome. Earlier this year I injured myself very badly in yoga (yes, the very thing you're considering). I pulled several ligaments in my lower back which rendered my pelvis unstable, effecting other ligaments, muscles, etc. and creating a great deal of disability and pain. You see, if a person already has damaged, weak, or stretchy ligaments and tendons, traditional yoga will compromise those structures even further by stretching them out. Something to think about....

Another thing to think about...please google "Prolotherapy". It's a technique for essentially regenerating ligaments, tendons, and other soft tissues. It causes the body to build up/repair these structures, and when this happens, the pain is reduced or eliminated..most of the time permanently. It's becoming a very popular procedure. Please look into it...I think you might benefit a lot.

Again, thanks for joining. I hope you find this forum as awesome as I have found it!
With lots of caring,
Orchid "
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Reply #3 - 11/19/08  3:50pm
" DEBALA, really long? hahahahahaa! Your post is as long as my INTRO paragraph! "
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Reply #4 - 11/19/08  3:57pm
" Hi Orchid. Thanks for the welcome too.

You said, "do you have hypermobility of any kind? That is, do your knees bend backwards past the midline? Do your elbows bend backwards past the midline? If you grab your pinkie finger can you pull it backwards so it makes a 90-degree angle with the back of your hand?"

Answer: all of the above. I was the one that always freaked people out by bending my pinky and thumb backwards flat on the top of my hand. Also, about 8 years ago I went to a rheumatologist thinking I had arthritis. (turned out to be tendonitis in my elbow from my job at the time). But, she said exactly that. Hypermobility. I had totally forgot about that until you mentioned it.

As for: "Can you bend at the waist and put your hands flat on the floor?"

Answer: Not in a MILLION YEARS!! "
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Reply #5 - 11/19/08  4:30pm
" Hey Joe,
Ok then, this is beginning to make more sense. Although a doc may have told you that you have tendinosis (and I'm positive you do.), I'm almost 100% sure that there is a much more appropriate diagnosis for you, that not only explains the tendinosis, but other symptoms that you may be having now or may get in the future. I would seriously look into getting evaluated for a connective tissue disorder. You may very well have some version of Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome or Marfan Syndrome. In addition to the complications associated with the production of defective connective tissues, these conditions can make you prone to more serious problems that you wouldn't think to worry about without the proper diagnosis.
Also, given your last post, I want to reiterate that you should really look into prolotherapy.
Talk to you soon.
With lots of caring,
Orchid "
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Reply #6 - 11/19/08  4:47pm
" Orchid, I have taken notes of everything you've mentioned. I will make an appt. with my doc very soon and see about the evaluation.

And right now I'm going to look into the other two syndromes you wrote of. Wow. You ROCK! Thanks! "
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Reply #7 - 11/19/08  4:53pm
" Welcome Joe King!

Wow! What an interesting post!! Much more interesting than what I have!
I have had 7 back surgeries with steel rods & plates, and now have RA to put frosting on top of that.
Plus the Dr feels I have Crohn's to go along with it.
I have pretty serious pain every day, but for me, the change of weather makes it SOOOO much worse! AND, in Jan, I had kidney failure, so I can't take any anti-inflammatories (of any kind) Yahoo!
Tough spot to be in --to be sure!
Happy to be able to talk to people who truly understand what it is like for us! Some days start with me using a cane and bent over like an old lady (but then I AM 61!), but me and my heating pad have a real good relationship and between Tylenol and Vicodin (under dr supervision) I try to get moving and get out of the house at least once a day for a little while (mental therapy, if nothing else)!
Looking forward to getting to know you better and hopefully to share ideas with all of you! Take Care! Judy "
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Reply #8 - 11/19/08  4:58pm
" Hi Judy. Thanks!

What to say to your post. Besides, Holy Smokes! I hear ya.

Guess that says a lot about human perseverence. And I too have a good friend in my Bocote wood cane. "
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Reply #9 - 11/19/08  5:18pm
" Also, Orchid, I did have one round of prolotherapy on my lower back a couple years ago. I couldn't continue because insurance didn't cover it. I afforded the one, then lost my job because of my back problem that was exacerbated 4-fold by an accident at the job. Long story there.

It's not covered under my current insurance plan and I'm flat broke all the time. Kinda sucks. "
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Reply #10 - 11/19/08  5:19pm
" Plus, I don't know if I could stand having a needle put on my bones all over my body. The scraping sound on the lumbar was bad enough. "

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