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I have been reading about Narcissists for years - I came from a family of narcissists and that caused a lot of turmoil in my life.
I am of the opinion that most bullies are Narcissists and the following is a description of the symptoms of Narcissists. When I read this - it helped me understand that my problem with my narcissist/bully son has much more to do with his disorder than my being an inadequate mother - and I thought this might help someone else. 1. THEY REFUSE RESPONSIBILITY. It's not their fault. Not EVER. It's always your fault. His fault. Her fault. To a narcissist, it's not their fault they hurt you, it's your fault for being hurt-able. If your feelings are hurt, it's not their fault; it's your fault - for having feelings.(You may be told that you're "choosing" to feel bad about the hurtful things they've done, and that it's the wrong "choice".) If caught doing something insensitive or selfish, they will tell you they "had to" do it because of someone or something else. If you imply that anything is their responsibility, they give you excuses and lies, and often, if those fail to work, they will finally make it clear that the bottom line is they simply don't care because they don't have to, and the fact that you care is just unnecessary or wrong. From their perspective, you shouldn't care -- you should get it right like they do, and be more like they are. Uncaring. 2. THEY LIE. Narcissists lie to make themselves look good. They lie to get out of emotional responsibility. They lie to manipulate. They lie to gain influence. They lie out of habit. Life is a game to narcissists - a game they have to think they're winning - and truth is one casualty in their game plan. The only time a narcissist has any interest in telling the truth is when it will serve them or cost them nothing to do so. The rest of the time, they don't consider it necessary or important to be all that honest. Honesty can impede their self-gratification and compromise their powerful persona, and they don't like that. To narcissists the truth is frequently "flexible" and optional. There's no such thing as an honest narcissist. 3. THEY LOOK DOWN ON YOU. Narcissists have to make themselves feel bigger by convincing themselves others are smaller by comparison. They're no strangers to being condescending, snobby, clique-ish, elitist and superior; however, they may be very good at hiding their disdain to prevent a loss of popularity, which narcissists know brings them power. Narcissists with money look down on the working class. Narcissists in the working class look down on those with more money. Educated narcissists dismiss the opinions of those who have no degree. Narcissists with no degree claim educated people don't actually know anything. Whatever narcissists HAVE (or think they have) is what they use to look down on others WITH. No-one else's background, appearance, values, political persuasion, school, preferences, religion, way of life, profession or opinions are ever any good or worthy of their respect unless they themselves value and/or possess the same. If you think or choose differently from a narcissist, you're "wrong", and they're "right". 4. THEY'RE TWO-FACED. Narcissists literally have two faces -- their real face and their stage face. And neither is anything like the other. Which one you see will depend on how long you've known them. Narcissists can be very charming and know how to gain favor. Anyone who doesn't know a narcissist well will tell you the narcissist is one of the greatest people they've ever met! They believe this is one of the most intelligent, kindest, most interesting, funny, agreeable, most attractive, talented or accomplished people ever. They may wish they themselves had it so "together" or were so popular. However, anyone who knows that same narcissist better (family members, longtime coworkers, etc) will tell you the narcissist is one of the most horribly frustrating and toxic people they know, and the mere mention of their name makes them feel uneasy, angry, frustrated or otherwise unhappy. Being the only one who is experiencing a narcissist's real face, while all other family members or coworkers can still only see the narcissist's stage face is a very lonely, painful and frustrating place to be. Thankfully, the number of people who can see through the facade tends to increase with time. 5. THEY'RE VINDICTIVE. If you dare to question a narcissist or request things like healthy boundaries and honesty, you're going to become public enemy number one. The "Mr. or Ms. Wonderful" mask immediately comes off, and there is no level they will not stoop to in order to "punish" you. They have myriad ways of attempting this; some are covert, and some are open and obvious. The narcissist has a seemingly inexhaustible obsession for making people who cross them "pay". Once they set their sights on you, you're a permanent enemy, and their seething spite will feel as intense years down the road as it did when it first began. The length of time they can keep up the full intensity of their hatred for you and their campaign to exact revenge is absolutely dumbfounding to non-narcissistic people. 6.THEY PROJECT PSYCHOLOGICALLY. Many mentally disordered individuals project frequently. Narcissists, however, are some of the most actively and severely projecting people encountered. Ever full of accusations and criticisms, the most crazy-making thing about most of the narcissist's claims is that YOU are doing exactly what THEY are doing. (Projection.) Have they just lied to you? Well, you're about to be called dishonest. Are they cheating you out of an opportunity? You're going to get the finger pointed at you for being sneaky. And you can't say a word to them about something hurtful they have done, because that makes you an abuser - of them. You can't give them anything but glowing feedback without their raging at you, but you'll be the one constantly criticized severely and then called freakishly oversensitive if you show any feelings about it. And if they say so, it's law -- you don't know what you're talking about. 7. THEY SMEAR PEOPLE WHO OPPOSE THEM. Narcissists are allergic to healthy boundaries and fairness. If you question the insensitive things they do or put any limits whatsoever on their bad behavior, you will be targeted for social, professional, or personal obliteration. Whatever narcissists perceive to be your psychological or situational "weak spots" will be their prime targets. For instance, if the narcissist knows that your greatest fear is social ridicule, that will be the main focus of the smear campaign. If he or she knows that recently, you made a mistake for which you feel guilty, that will be used against you. Narcissists know that the more effectively they can pinpoint your insecurities or flaws, the more successful they will be in eroding your confidence and your influence. And if they manage to do that, they stand a good chance of getting back the power they planned to do whatever they pleased with before you "got in their way". Posted on 06/26/12, 04:23 pm |
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The good news is that your descriptions nails the qualities and tactics of the bully that I am dealing with. What I'd like to know is what can be done when you are in their grips.
Right now the tactics of the bully at work have increased. This is a difficult time for me ant the bully is aware of this and has amped up her tactics. Anytime I take a stab at trying to work together in a functional way, the interaction goes sour (i.e. we talk in a circle, she asks for help but then doesn't want it, I ask her for help she doesn't give it). I don't believe that she wants to build any type of healthy communication style, even if it is merely functional and not personal. Tonight she and two co-workers are going out, one of whom I had believed to be a friend. The blatant exclusion is transparent but painful. I feel that I am becoming de-stablized after a period of relative calm. I am shocked at the organizational level of tolerance of her behavior. And yes, narcisstics present as the most charming people on earth, UNLESS YOUR CROSS THEM OR GET IN THEIR WAY. I just happened to be hired in a position that threatened this person's ability to feel omnipotent and all knowing. All of the things that have been talked about on this site (i.e., bullying when you are alone, retribution if you take action, pressing the extinguish button when all else fails) have all happened and all of the advice (don't be so sensitive, it's personality differences) have only made me feel further invalidated as a human being. AND NO, I don't want to become like her....that very thought crossed my mind today.
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mamie- I think Narcissists will go to any lengths to try and pull anyone who threatens them down.
It sounds like your position did threaten her "superiority". Having feelings in response to being hurt by bullies/narcissists is never wrong or overly sensitive, imo. Narcissists are very clever - but they will turn on the people they get to go along with their crap - and those people will suffer too. Of course you feel excluded and of course that is hurtful. No one feels good about being left out. Do you think you could ignore her crap? From what I've experienced, when they realize they've hurt you, that gives them energy because that is their goal in the first place. I think Narcissists are horrible people who will do anything to get their way - no matter what they want - they think they deserve it. My son defrauded me when I bought my home (he was the realtor) - and after he illegally signed as one of the buyers, 1/3rd of the land disappeared. The information I posted above helped me see that he is never going to come clean - and he has repeatedly said he doesn't know what I am talking about. He is actually angry at me for bringing the issue up. Narcissists have no integrity, whatsoever, imo.
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Wow this makes complete sense. I just recently left a job of 3 and a half years bc I couldn't take being bullied any more. I am 27 and the co worker that bullied me was 48. I eventually ended up confronting her telling her how I felt and not accusing her of anything. Of course she.told me that my feelings were wrong and I was misunderstanding her. She made me feel like it was my fault the way she was behaving. After I confronted her things got a little better, her nice side came back but that didn't last long. Eventually she started becoming physical with me, by punching me in the shoulder as a joke. When I told her that it hurt.she just laughed and walked away. That's when i realized she will never change and that if I ever wanted my life back from her that I had to leave. And now I still in the healing process. Everything in the post describes her, its very scary. Good luck with your son, I can't imagine how difficult that must be...
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Thank you for posting this. It really gives clarity to the behavior we so often confront. I've seen it over and over again in my family and my husband's family. Coincidence? I think not. For some reason, I have emeshed myself in this sort of situation. Bullying is so prevalent and I am often the target. I do need clarity right now. My kids are applying to college and we are all under a lot of stress. I am just trying to keep my head above water for their sake. I feel that it is somewhat dishonest to keep these issues private from them, but these kids have to get on with their own lives. Every day is a struggle for me, though.
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The thing about Narcissists is that they have a very charming side and many of us believe that they are the nice, charming people they present themselves as. They wouldn't be able to draw people in to abuse if they didn't have a tool - charm.
If we knew their true intentions we would not get near them - but we so often doubt our perceptions of what is going on. Like it said in what I posted - they tell us we are too sensitive - we didn't understand what they meant, yada yada yada. Oh yes we do understand - and their intent is to be superior to us and to let us know they are, imo. I don't think that there are narcissists with good intentions anywhere. oldermom - I finally had to walk away from my son because the bullying was not going to stop - and I have no time for bullies - not even my own son. If you could - do you think you could keep your distance from the people in your family who bully you? I'd stay as far away from them as I possibly could if I were you. Good luck with this.
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I totally agree. My mother is a narcissist and it was always like this. If you dont agree and play a role in her games she begins belittling you. I reconnected with her a few years ago and never realized how bad it was till i was an adult dealing with another adult. She would tell me infront of people I wont have a fat daughter and women should have long hair not dike hair. She has a whole diffrent childhood then what I remember of abuse. She hated my husband because he wouldnt fall for her games or abuse. But she tried everytime to look down on him and belittle him. We got in a few really heated arguments due to her thinking she was almighty and i tore into her. She loved the two faced game and would say one thing and another even almost breaking up two friends I knew who were together. I stay clear of her now and I realize I dont need someone who is like that who will treat me like crap. Good points all true and yes my mom is a bully.
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penguin - our mothers could have been emotional twins.
My mother hated all of our spouses - because they wouldn't play her games. She was seductive - weird, angry - hostile - manipulative - and the list goes on and on. But most of all she was a destructive bully whose eyes would light up when she hurt someone. She was one very sick woman and your mom doesn't sound any better. It's pretty amazing that we were able to get away from them. They hang on very tightly to their victims.
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thank you for the post. I know a whole group on a website. they have the narcissitic behavors described above. None of them will take responsibility for their behaviors. they are insane. the funny thing is they claim to be in recovery. It is sad to hear the condesending tones, and behaviors, let alone total self righeousness. I have been kicked off the site many times for defending myself. It's like the more i defended myself the angrier they became.
I have always had difficulty with those who bullyied. Good luck
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Hi Linda Jean! Another great post! I could not of said this any better than you.You are 100% right on. I think this can help people who have been victims of these spineless, vial, and mean ''creatures'' that look like they are human, but, they are not! Thank you!
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The good news is that your descriptions nails the qualities and tactics of the bully that I am dealing with. What I'd like to know is what can be done when you are in their grips.

